Evolution:4-10-04 Evolution theory is rooted in the religion of atheism

dmcowen674

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4-10-2004 Evolution theory is rooted in the religion of atheism


3-30-2004 Much of evolution theory still is unproven by science


Creationists panties in a bunch, scientists find the "missing link" gene, we evolved from Apes:

3-24-2004 Gene Mutation Said Linked to Evolution

Igniting a scientific furor, scientists say they may have found the genetic mutation that first separated the earliest humans from their apelike ancestors.


2-17-2004 Evolution should be ousted from schools

The Georgia State Superintendent of Schools did not go far enough in her proposal to eliminate the term "evolution" from the science curriculum. The entire concept of evolution should be expunged from all public schools.

Evolution has been exposed as pagan Cebelese religion as practiced in Greece 2,500 years ago. It is completely absent in the universe today; always has been, always will be. Every item associated with humans, animals and plants are creations; always have been, always will be. Creation is science because it is observable by billions of people trillions of times; always has been, always will be.

Dr. Joseph Mastropaolo has challenged leading evolutionists (including entire groups) with a $10,000 debate challenge and he has not found an evolutionist worldwide, bar none that will debate.

Evolutionists have no evidence, not Star Wars, not swords, not pitchforks, not pointed shoes, nothing. When they wisely default on the debate challenge it proves they are all bluff and no science, or as they say in the Southwest, all hat and no ranch.

If there is overwhelming evidence to support evolution then evolutionists should have no fear of losing $10,000. It would just take 1000 evolutionists to chip in the price of a pizza to provide the $10,000 for the evolutionist side. Then the only risk to the true believers in evolution is that of being exposed as indoctrinating students with non-science nonsense.

If you want more information in order to open your own mind just let me know.

Karl Priest

Poca, W.Va.



2-15-2004 'Evolution' Not Only Word Missing From Proposed Curriculum

Atlanta - The word "evolution" is back in Georgia's proposed science curriculum -- but some scientists remain concerned about how the new plan treats other basic theories.

The Big Bang was eliminated and lessons on plate tectonics were scaled back when the proposed curriculum was released last month.

The theories are considered controversial in some circles because they conflict with religious beliefs about how God created the universe.



Here is one of the many Georgians that apparently the State Superintendent of Schools listens to:

2-13-2004 Evolution remains merely a theory on a weak foundation

The reason the evolution question keeps coming up is because so many scientists and academics are realizing the inadequacies of the neo-Darwinian explanation of the origin of complex life.

Macro-evolution is the transition from one major category to another. The fossil record is so lacking in transitional forms for macro-evolution that Stephen Gould of Harvard had to attempt an explanation which he called "punctuated equilibrium" to explain their absence. This is a major embarrassment for the neo-Darwinians.

The latter points out the amazing information in the DNA of our cells. Information requires a mind, the mind of an intelligent designer.

The only value that neo-Darwinian evolution can support is the survival of the fittest. The European Union is having difficulty grounding human rights and dignity in their constitution because they also start with a secular, naturalist premise, which does not allow for an intelligent designer.

Values based on human dignity and value come straight from our Judeo-Christian heritage. And when evolutionists appeal to these values they are crossing over to Judeo-Christian ground. What is at stake in the evolution issue is the recognition of any basis for human rights and dignity. They are grounded in our designer and His character.


2-6-2004 17 Yr olds Job as Hooters Hostess gets her afterschool work credit stripped

Savannah Georgia - The Effingham County School Board decided today that a 17-year-old high school senior working at Hooters won't be getting class credit for her job.

Student Laura Williams wanted her hostess job at Hooters to count for credit as part of her school's work study program, which lets students leave school early so they can work for course credit.

After hearing an appeal from Williams' parents, all five school board members agreed unanimously that the restaurant known for its waitresses in tight T-shirts and orange hotpants is too racy.

Board member Vera Jones said, "I know we live in a world of Britney Spears, but I don't see us giving school credit in that atmosphere."

William's father, Larry Williams, said he's considering a lawsuit against the school system. Meanwhile, his daughter says she won't quit her job. Laura Williams said, "It doesn't matter what decision they make. I plan on staying there. It's just a fun place to work."

She began working last month at Hooters in Savannah as a hostess, wearing khaki pants and a collared shirt rather than the skimpier outfit waitresses wear.


2-6-2004 Georgia School chief comes to her senses over evolution proposal

Some good sense broke out Thursday in Atlanta when Kathy Cox backed away from her ill-advised recommendation to eliminate the word "evolution" from public schools curriculum.

Her suggestion was an obvious effort to ingratiate herself with the religious right, a powerful political bloc in Georgia and across the South.

She issued a written statement Thursday that said, in part: "I want you to know today that I will recommend to the teacher teams that the word 'evolution' be put back into the curriculum."

Her statement went on to say that she proposed the change to the curriculum "to avoid controversy that would prevent people from reading the substance of the document itself. Instead, a greater controversy ensued."

Cox, a Republican who just began her second year as superintendent, won praise from social conservatives for her proposal, but was battered from many other quarters.

For example:

Gov. Sonny Perdue, a Republican who prefers the phrase "academic balance," another religious right buzzword used in advocating how to teach human development, urged Cox to drop the matter.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Stephens, a Canton Republican, said simply: "They ought to drop this and drop it now."

Former President Jimmy Carter, a Democrat, Sunday school teacher and formally trained scientist, said he was "embarrassed by (Cox's) attempt to censor and distort the education of Georgia's school students."

Had she succeeded with her proposal, Georgia would have joined only five other states that have no reference to evolution in their public school curriculums. Entering that distinguished company is a distinction that Georgia, already last in the country in SAT scores, really didn't need.

Putting politics in front of a complete education for children is shameful. That's exactly what Cox did before the hue and cry forced her to back away from a plan that was poorly developed and detrimental to public education.

Hopefully, we can put this episode behind us and get on with solving real problems and issues that challenge our schools.

Now, that would be an evolution.


All over the News now:

1-30-2004 Ga. Official Wants to Replace 'Evolution'

"Here we are, saying we have to improve standards and improve education, and we're just throwing a bone to the conservatives with total disregard to what scientists say," said state Rep. Bob Holmes, a Democrat.

Former President Jimmy Carter had harsh words for the change on Friday, calling it an embarrassment and saying it exposes the state to nationwide ridicule.

"As a Christian, a trained engineer and scientist, and a professor at Emory University, I am embarrassed by Superintendent Kathy Cox's attempt to censor and distort the education of Georgia's students," Carter said in a statement.

Carter, a Baptist, said that existing references to evolution in Georgia's curriculum have done nothing to damage religious faith in the state.

Cox spokesman Kirk Englehardt said the superintendent was reviewing Carter's statement Friday morning and did not have an immediate response.

No wonder Georgia schools are 50th in the Nation, they have completely broken the whole idea of "school". They apparently have never heard of the concept "If it isn't broken don't fix it." They sure have broken school here.

There is only a link about the Budget but there is also a Bill in for a Proposed "Recess Time" in school now. Apparently the kids in all grades go from class to class with no break except for lunch period. The Bill proposes one 15 minute break for students during the day.

When was Study Hall eliminated? :confused: In New York there was always one full class period a day that may change what time it was depending on the day but can always count on that time to "re-coup" somewhat from the day.

Also Georgia Schools have now stripped any reference to Darwin and "Evolution" from the Curriculum. God with Adam and Eve is the only thing allowed to be taught to the students.


1-29-2004 Local Officials: School Cuts Devastating

ATLANTA (AP) -- Local school officials painted an alarming picture for state legislators Wednesday of children being taken to school in worn-out buses and using tattered textbooks for their studies if Gov. Sonny Perdue's education cuts are approved.

Some also warned they will be forced to look to layoffs and to raise local taxes to absorb the hit.

Perdue, struggling to balance the books after two years of sluggish tax collections, has proposed cutting state grants to education by $126 million in the current budget and by a further $380 million in the budget for the year beginning July 1.

"I think we need to be honest about it," said Deloras Moon, a Jones County school board member and president of the Georgia School Boards Association. "If the state cuts it, it's going to be raised at the local level."

Edit: Thanks Fausto found a link to Georgia must teach students God only:

1-29-2004 Georgia State School Superintendent Kathy Cox moves to strike "Evolution" from schools.

The Georgia Department of Education based its biology curriculum on national standards put forth by a respected source, the American Association for the Advancement of Science. But while the state copied most of the national standards, it deleted much of the section that covers the origin of living things.

Terrie Kielborn, a middle school science teacher in Paulding County who was on the committee, recalled that Stephen Pruitt, the state's curriculum specialist for science, told the panel not to include the word evolution.

"We were pretty much told not to put it in there," Kielborn said. The rationale was community reaction, she said.

"When you say the word evolution, people automatically, whatever age they are, think of the man-monkey thing," Kielborn said.

If Georgia approves the revised curriculum, the state will be among six that avoid the word "evolution" in science teaching, according to the National Center for Science Education, a nonprofit organization that advocates for evolution instruction.
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What are the other 5 States that have banned "Evolution" in Teaching?
 

Mill

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Hmm, I don't think Georgia is 50th. I do believe that with the money from the lottery and other changes that they float around the high 30's to low 40's. I do feel your pain however. Alabama has the lowest property tax in the nation among states that tax property and we just recently refused a multi-pronged tax plan that would have improved our schools. We've cut funding on every level and things are in dire shape for us.

 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Mill
Hmm, I don't think Georgia is 50th. I do believe that with the money from the lottery and other changes that they float around the high 30's to low 40's. I do feel your pain however. Alabama has the lowest property tax in the nation among states that tax property and we just recently refused a multi-pronged tax plan that would have improved our schools. We've cut funding on every level and things are in dire shape for us.

Georgia has been at the bottom for quite some time. Only the District of Columbia has been lower at 51.

Education Tax makes up the largest part of the Tax here and continously goes up and the net result is still the basement, so high Taxes does not mean better Education. It's not how much you pay the Teachers or Principals, it's how they do their job.





 

SuperTool

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I got Georgia on my mind. NOT.
They wanna teach their kids about Adam and Eve, fine. There are plenty of places in the US and the world teaching kids real science, so we won't have a problem filling scientific jobs.
 
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Originally posted by: SuperTool
I got Georgia on my mind. NOT.
They wanna teach their kids about Adam and Eve, fine. There are plenty of places in the US and the world teaching kids real science, so we won't have a problem filling scientific jobs.

I agree. Kids who buy that the universe was created from an atom that came from nowhere are going to do MUCH better in life.
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SuperTool

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: SuperTool
I got Georgia on my mind. NOT.
They wanna teach their kids about Adam and Eve, fine. There are plenty of places in the US and the world teaching kids real science, so we won't have a problem filling scientific jobs.

I agree. Kids who buy that the universe was created from an atom that came from nowhere are going to do MUCH better in life.
rolleye.gif

Better than kids who buy that God was created from nowhere and then created the universe. You can argue cosmology all day, because there isn't much solid evidence. It's pretty hard to argue against evolution, where there is a fossil record. Unless of course you believe in those dinosaur walking with man footprints ;)
 
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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: SuperTool
I got Georgia on my mind. NOT.
They wanna teach their kids about Adam and Eve, fine. There are plenty of places in the US and the world teaching kids real science, so we won't have a problem filling scientific jobs.

I agree. Kids who buy that the universe was created from an atom that came from nowhere are going to do MUCH better in life.
rolleye.gif

Better than kids who buy that God was created from nowhere and then created the universe. You can argue cosmology all day, because there isn't much solid evidence. It's pretty hard to argue against evolution, where there is a fossil record. Unless of course you believe in those dinosaur walking with man footprints ;)

If anything the fossill record disproves Evolution.

All the different, basic kinds of animals appear abruptly and fully functional in the strata - with no proof of ancestors. "Evolution requires intermediate forms between species and paleontology does not provide them." (David Kitts, paleontologist and Evolutionist) Darwin was embarrassed by the fossil record. It contains no proof for macroevolution of animals.

Plants appear abruptly, too. Evolutionist Edred J.H. Corner: "... I still think that to the unprejudiced, the fossil record of plants is in favor of special creation." (Evolution in Contemporary Thought, 1961, p.97) Scientists have been unable to find an Evolutionary history (beginning to end) for even one group of modern plants.

Animals unchanged. Contrary to common belief, most fossils are not of extinct types of animals. Most fossils are very similar (and often totally identical) to creatures living today. It is said there are many more living species of animals than there are types known only as fossils. If Evolution is true, one may wonder why the case is not just the reverse! Evolutionary history is supposed to be filled with temporary, intermediate stages of Evolution, from amoeba to man.

Dinosaurs fit in perfectly with Creationism on many different levels.

Surely you have better reasons than this to believe an atom came from nothing and then somehow exploded and created the universe and all of us, don't you?
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: SuperTool
I got Georgia on my mind. NOT.
They wanna teach their kids about Adam and Eve, fine. There are plenty of places in the US and the world teaching kids real science, so we won't have a problem filling scientific jobs.

I agree. Kids who buy that the universe was created from an atom that came from nowhere are going to do MUCH better in life.
rolleye.gif

Better than kids who buy that God was created from nowhere and then created the universe. You can argue cosmology all day, because there isn't much solid evidence. It's pretty hard to argue against evolution, where there is a fossil record. Unless of course you believe in those dinosaur walking with man footprints ;)

If anything the fossill record disproves Evolution.

All the different, basic kinds of animals appear abruptly and fully functional in the strata - with no proof of ancestors. "Evolution requires intermediate forms between species and paleontology does not provide them." (David Kitts, paleontologist and Evolutionist) Darwin was embarrassed by the fossil record. It contains no proof for macroevolution of animals.

Plants appear abruptly, too. Evolutionist Edred J.H. Corner: "... I still think that to the unprejudiced, the fossil record of plants is in favor of special creation." (Evolution in Contemporary Thought, 1961, p.97) Scientists have been unable to find an Evolutionary history (beginning to end) for even one group of modern plants.

Animals unchanged. Contrary to common belief, most fossils are not of extinct types of animals. Most fossils are very similar (and often totally identical) to creatures living today. It is said there are many more living species of animals than there are types known only as fossils. If Evolution is true, one may wonder why the case is not just the reverse! Evolutionary history is supposed to be filled with temporary, intermediate stages of Evolution, from amoeba to man.

Dinosaurs fit in perfectly with Creationism on many different levels.

Surely you have better reasons than this to believe an atom came from nothing and then somehow exploded and created the universe and all of us, don't you?
Nice, unbiased source there.

You just keep your head in the sand if that's what makes you feel better.

 
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Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: SuperTool
I got Georgia on my mind. NOT.
They wanna teach their kids about Adam and Eve, fine. There are plenty of places in the US and the world teaching kids real science, so we won't have a problem filling scientific jobs.

I agree. Kids who buy that the universe was created from an atom that came from nowhere are going to do MUCH better in life.
rolleye.gif

Better than kids who buy that God was created from nowhere and then created the universe. You can argue cosmology all day, because there isn't much solid evidence. It's pretty hard to argue against evolution, where there is a fossil record. Unless of course you believe in those dinosaur walking with man footprints ;)

If anything the fossill record disproves Evolution.

All the different, basic kinds of animals appear abruptly and fully functional in the strata - with no proof of ancestors. "Evolution requires intermediate forms between species and paleontology does not provide them." (David Kitts, paleontologist and Evolutionist) Darwin was embarrassed by the fossil record. It contains no proof for macroevolution of animals.

Plants appear abruptly, too. Evolutionist Edred J.H. Corner: "... I still think that to the unprejudiced, the fossil record of plants is in favor of special creation." (Evolution in Contemporary Thought, 1961, p.97) Scientists have been unable to find an Evolutionary history (beginning to end) for even one group of modern plants.

Animals unchanged. Contrary to common belief, most fossils are not of extinct types of animals. Most fossils are very similar (and often totally identical) to creatures living today. It is said there are many more living species of animals than there are types known only as fossils. If Evolution is true, one may wonder why the case is not just the reverse! Evolutionary history is supposed to be filled with temporary, intermediate stages of Evolution, from amoeba to man.

Dinosaurs fit in perfectly with Creationism on many different levels.

Surely you have better reasons than this to believe an atom came from nothing and then somehow exploded and created the universe and all of us, don't you?
Nice, unbiased source there.

You just keep your head in the sand if that's what makes you feel better.

Irony Alert! Irony Alert!
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: SuperTool
I got Georgia on my mind. NOT.
They wanna teach their kids about Adam and Eve, fine. There are plenty of places in the US and the world teaching kids real science, so we won't have a problem filling scientific jobs.

I agree. Kids who buy that the universe was created from an atom that came from nowhere are going to do MUCH better in life.
rolleye.gif

Better than kids who buy that God was created from nowhere and then created the universe. You can argue cosmology all day, because there isn't much solid evidence. It's pretty hard to argue against evolution, where there is a fossil record. Unless of course you believe in those dinosaur walking with man footprints ;)

If anything the fossill record disproves Evolution.

All the different, basic kinds of animals appear abruptly and fully functional in the strata - with no proof of ancestors. "Evolution requires intermediate forms between species and paleontology does not provide them." (David Kitts, paleontologist and Evolutionist) Darwin was embarrassed by the fossil record. It contains no proof for macroevolution of animals.

Plants appear abruptly, too. Evolutionist Edred J.H. Corner: "... I still think that to the unprejudiced, the fossil record of plants is in favor of special creation." (Evolution in Contemporary Thought, 1961, p.97) Scientists have been unable to find an Evolutionary history (beginning to end) for even one group of modern plants.

Animals unchanged. Contrary to common belief, most fossils are not of extinct types of animals. Most fossils are very similar (and often totally identical) to creatures living today. It is said there are many more living species of animals than there are types known only as fossils. If Evolution is true, one may wonder why the case is not just the reverse! Evolutionary history is supposed to be filled with temporary, intermediate stages of Evolution, from amoeba to man.

Dinosaurs fit in perfectly with Creationism on many different levels.

Surely you have better reasons than this to believe an atom came from nothing and then somehow exploded and created the universe and all of us, don't you?
Nice, unbiased source there.

You just keep your head in the sand if that's what makes you feel better.

Irony Alert! Irony Alert!
Uh...yeah. Science vs. Mostly Fictional Book Describing All-Powerful Diety Who Never Seems To Do Anything. Very ironic.
rolleye.gif


 
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Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: SuperTool
I got Georgia on my mind. NOT.
They wanna teach their kids about Adam and Eve, fine. There are plenty of places in the US and the world teaching kids real science, so we won't have a problem filling scientific jobs.

I agree. Kids who buy that the universe was created from an atom that came from nowhere are going to do MUCH better in life.
rolleye.gif

Better than kids who buy that God was created from nowhere and then created the universe. You can argue cosmology all day, because there isn't much solid evidence. It's pretty hard to argue against evolution, where there is a fossil record. Unless of course you believe in those dinosaur walking with man footprints ;)

If anything the fossill record disproves Evolution.

All the different, basic kinds of animals appear abruptly and fully functional in the strata - with no proof of ancestors. "Evolution requires intermediate forms between species and paleontology does not provide them." (David Kitts, paleontologist and Evolutionist) Darwin was embarrassed by the fossil record. It contains no proof for macroevolution of animals.

Plants appear abruptly, too. Evolutionist Edred J.H. Corner: "... I still think that to the unprejudiced, the fossil record of plants is in favor of special creation." (Evolution in Contemporary Thought, 1961, p.97) Scientists have been unable to find an Evolutionary history (beginning to end) for even one group of modern plants.

Animals unchanged. Contrary to common belief, most fossils are not of extinct types of animals. Most fossils are very similar (and often totally identical) to creatures living today. It is said there are many more living species of animals than there are types known only as fossils. If Evolution is true, one may wonder why the case is not just the reverse! Evolutionary history is supposed to be filled with temporary, intermediate stages of Evolution, from amoeba to man.

Dinosaurs fit in perfectly with Creationism on many different levels.

Surely you have better reasons than this to believe an atom came from nothing and then somehow exploded and created the universe and all of us, don't you?
Nice, unbiased source there.

You just keep your head in the sand if that's what makes you feel better.

Irony Alert! Irony Alert!
Uh...yeah. Science vs. Mostly Fictional Book Describing All-Powerful Diety Who Never Seems To Do Anything. Very ironic.
rolleye.gif

Science when? Are you referring to the 100% accurate science of today or the 100% accurate science of 200 years ago? :)

Furthermore, science is completely separate from origin theories...you don't need to teach either creation or evolution to teach science. Personally, I think neither theory has any place in a classroom, but if you're going to have one you must have the other and any others that have merit.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: SuperTool
I got Georgia on my mind. NOT.
They wanna teach their kids about Adam and Eve, fine. There are plenty of places in the US and the world teaching kids real science, so we won't have a problem filling scientific jobs.

I agree. Kids who buy that the universe was created from an atom that came from nowhere are going to do MUCH better in life.
rolleye.gif

Better than kids who buy that God was created from nowhere and then created the universe. You can argue cosmology all day, because there isn't much solid evidence. It's pretty hard to argue against evolution, where there is a fossil record. Unless of course you believe in those dinosaur walking with man footprints ;)

If anything the fossill record disproves Evolution.

All the different, basic kinds of animals appear abruptly and fully functional in the strata - with no proof of ancestors. "Evolution requires intermediate forms between species and paleontology does not provide them." (David Kitts, paleontologist and Evolutionist) Darwin was embarrassed by the fossil record. It contains no proof for macroevolution of animals.

Plants appear abruptly, too. Evolutionist Edred J.H. Corner: "... I still think that to the unprejudiced, the fossil record of plants is in favor of special creation." (Evolution in Contemporary Thought, 1961, p.97) Scientists have been unable to find an Evolutionary history (beginning to end) for even one group of modern plants.

Animals unchanged. Contrary to common belief, most fossils are not of extinct types of animals. Most fossils are very similar (and often totally identical) to creatures living today. It is said there are many more living species of animals than there are types known only as fossils. If Evolution is true, one may wonder why the case is not just the reverse! Evolutionary history is supposed to be filled with temporary, intermediate stages of Evolution, from amoeba to man.

Dinosaurs fit in perfectly with Creationism on many different levels.

Surely you have better reasons than this to believe an atom came from nothing and then somehow exploded and created the universe and all of us, don't you?

Keep studying pseudoscience. If you think that God created the universe, where did God come from?
 

Moonbeam

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The human mind is composed of three centers the moving, emotional, and thinking, the reptilian, mamillian and human. In every situation, like this thread here, we can usually see individuals at each stage of evolution.
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: SuperTool
I got Georgia on my mind. NOT.
They wanna teach their kids about Adam and Eve, fine. There are plenty of places in the US and the world teaching kids real science, so we won't have a problem filling scientific jobs.

I agree. Kids who buy that the universe was created from an atom that came from nowhere are going to do MUCH better in life.
rolleye.gif

Better than kids who buy that God was created from nowhere and then created the universe. You can argue cosmology all day, because there isn't much solid evidence. It's pretty hard to argue against evolution, where there is a fossil record. Unless of course you believe in those dinosaur walking with man footprints ;)

If anything the fossill record disproves Evolution.

All the different, basic kinds of animals appear abruptly and fully functional in the strata - with no proof of ancestors. "Evolution requires intermediate forms between species and paleontology does not provide them." (David Kitts, paleontologist and Evolutionist) Darwin was embarrassed by the fossil record. It contains no proof for macroevolution of animals.

Plants appear abruptly, too. Evolutionist Edred J.H. Corner: "... I still think that to the unprejudiced, the fossil record of plants is in favor of special creation." (Evolution in Contemporary Thought, 1961, p.97) Scientists have been unable to find an Evolutionary history (beginning to end) for even one group of modern plants.

Animals unchanged. Contrary to common belief, most fossils are not of extinct types of animals. Most fossils are very similar (and often totally identical) to creatures living today. It is said there are many more living species of animals than there are types known only as fossils. If Evolution is true, one may wonder why the case is not just the reverse! Evolutionary history is supposed to be filled with temporary, intermediate stages of Evolution, from amoeba to man.

Dinosaurs fit in perfectly with Creationism on many different levels.

Surely you have better reasons than this to believe an atom came from nothing and then somehow exploded and created the universe and all of us, don't you?
Nice, unbiased source there.

You just keep your head in the sand if that's what makes you feel better.

Irony Alert! Irony Alert!
Uh...yeah. Science vs. Mostly Fictional Book Describing All-Powerful Diety Who Never Seems To Do Anything. Very ironic.
rolleye.gif

Science when? Are you referring to the 100% accurate science of today or the 100% accurate science of 200 years ago? :)

Furthermore, science is completely separate from origin theories...you don't need to teach either creation or evolution to teach science. Personally, I think neither theory has any place in a classroom, but if you're going to have one you must have the other and any others that have merit.
Oh please, that is an ignorant thing to say even by your standards. Science is an ongoing thing, so of course it's never going to be 100% accurate since we're always learning more and revising what we know. Creation Science (oxymoron) is just a mixture of things culled from the Bible and poking holes in the parts of evolutionary theory we haven't figured out yet. It's essentially an anti-science since its position is one of negative data. As such, it's completely ridiculous.

You keep harping on the Big Bang as being absurd, yet somehow a God waving his hand and making Earth and everything on it is perfectly reasonable. Where is God these days anyway? I noticed 10 people died in Jerusalem yet, if his most strident believers are correct, he seems more interested in smacking down gay people than smiting those who shed blood in the holy city. Funny that.

 

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Yeah, I'm appalled too. As part of a program here at work, we have been working with the Atlanta Public Schools to help increase the state Math score.

Well, I took a visit to my assigned elementary school, and was surprised at some things that I saw:

1) There was a five-minute period where they played classical music and had all the kids just sit there and do nothing. When I asked about this, I was told that it was a designated 'quiet time' and that it helped 'settle the students'.

2)The kids only get one period of Physical Education (PE) per WEEK. When I went to school, we either had recess (in elementary school) or PE every day! I was told PE needed to be cut because of the state and federal mandates on passing the tests.

3) Schools no longer have time in their day for designated study periods. It is optional for the students to attend at the end of the school day.

3)At lunch, the kids are all regimented to the cafeteria, get their lunch, and are told to sit quietly and not talk to each other! I had heard about this, but didn't believe it until I saw it.

4) Kids don't have lockers, but still shift from room to room. Therefore, they have to take every book with them from class to class. I've seen bookbags that look like they must weigh from 20-25 pounds, and you have these little 8-9 year olds hauling quite a pack. Guess that's why they no longer need PE!

5) The standard classroom desk configuration is no longer row-column. The teacher tells me that they hear about it if the classroom is configured in this matter. So, they all have groups of desk facing each other. I admit at times this is good, but for general instruction, it dosen't work, because of the way young kids are. You find yourself having to work out issues in the groups, and spend less time learning.

There are many more. I know, a lot of people critisize the APS, but I do want to point out that this stuff happens in the surburban schools too (I know this because I've worked with them too).

I have told people that if I had a child that I would not send that child to public school. It dosen't matter which state or locality.

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Originally posted by: Fausto

You keep harping on the Big Bang as being absurd, yet somehow a God waving his hand and making Earth and everything on it is perfectly reasonable.

They're both "absurd" in that they require faith to be believed. The funny think is you criticize others for having faith when you also have it.

Where is God these days anyway? I noticed 10 people died in Jerusalem yet, if his most strident believers are correct, he seems more interested in smacking down gay people than smiting those who shed blood in the holy city. Funny that.

Ah, so you're just ignorant about Christianity.
 

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If Georgia approves the revised curriculum, the state will be among six that avoid the word "evolution" in science teaching, according to the National Center for Science Education, a nonprofit organization that advocates for evolution instruction.
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What are the other 5 States that have banned "Evolution" in Teaching?
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: SuperTool
I got Georgia on my mind. NOT.
They wanna teach their kids about Adam and Eve, fine. There are plenty of places in the US and the world teaching kids real science, so we won't have a problem filling scientific jobs.

I agree. Kids who buy that the universe was created from an atom that came from nowhere are going to do MUCH better in life.
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What does the origin of the universe have to do with evolution?
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Fausto

You keep harping on the Big Bang as being absurd, yet somehow a God waving his hand and making Earth and everything on it is perfectly reasonable.

They're both "absurd" in that they require faith to be believed. The funny think is you criticize others for having faith when you also have it.
Hehe....you people and your "science requires faith" line. The whole point of science is to generate and use data to prove or disprove theories. You put as much weight behind the theory as there is current scientific data for it whereas you fundamentalists are still stuck with the same old book and just find new and exciting ways to misinterpret its contents to supports your social views.
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Where is God these days anyway? I noticed 10 people died in Jerusalem yet, if his most strident believers are correct, he seems more interested in smacking down gay people than smiting those who shed blood in the holy city. Funny that.

Ah, so you're just ignorant about Christianity.[/quote]
No, just making a point. God did all this Adam-making and such way back when, but doesn't seem very interested in much these days. Were I doing a scientific study of this phenomenon, I'd likely conclude that he doesn't exist from the evidence at hand. :D

 

Moonbeam

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Personally I have long felt that some of the most ignorant people about Christianity are Christians, at least in name.
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Personally I have long felt that some of the most ignorant people about Christianity are Christians, at least in name.
I disagree. You need to be well-steeped in Christian Values, Beliefs, and Teaching in order to most effectively and creatively twist and abuse them to your own ends. :p

 
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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: SuperTool
I got Georgia on my mind. NOT.
They wanna teach their kids about Adam and Eve, fine. There are plenty of places in the US and the world teaching kids real science, so we won't have a problem filling scientific jobs.

I agree. Kids who buy that the universe was created from an atom that came from nowhere are going to do MUCH better in life.
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What does the origin of the universe have to do with evolution?

What does evolution have to do with science?
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Personally I have long felt that some of the most ignorant people about Christianity are Christians, at least in name.

I agree.

I still don't understand why you seem to thing the origin of the universe and evolution are one in the same?
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: SuperTool
I got Georgia on my mind. NOT.
They wanna teach their kids about Adam and Eve, fine. There are plenty of places in the US and the world teaching kids real science, so we won't have a problem filling scientific jobs.

I agree. Kids who buy that the universe was created from an atom that came from nowhere are going to do MUCH better in life.
rolleye.gif

What does the origin of the universe have to do with evolution?

What does evolution have to do with science?
LMFAO!!! Seriously, you have to stop....my sides are starting to hurt. :p