Heck, the HANDS are behind ALL OF THIS! THEY MADE THE GUNS AND THE KNIVES AND THEY MADE THE FINGERS AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!
<< AND, for every one of your "kids get to guns and kill selves and friends" there is a "GUn owner defends self from would-be killer" to match it. >>
Actually, there are 32 incidents where a law abiding citizen ends up with a gun death or injury for every reported incident of a "bad gun" helping good people.
I have never owned a gun. I do have extensive martial arts training. I used to run video arcades. Twice, I "suprised" people trying to break into games who actually came after me (rather than just running which is what most of them do). One had a crowbar, the other had a long screwdriver. They both were arrested after being treated in the emergency room.
You gun huggers can keep your piece, if it makes you feel safer. If you are within 20 feet of me, and want to do harm, you had better snap off a couple of shots and make them accurate, cause a couple is all you're gonna get. If you come up against someone who knows how to handle people with guns you had better be very very accurate and very willing to shoot quickly.
Damn those evil guns! They make it too difficult for those hard working criminals to earn a living. 
We need to get rid of all the evil guns law abiding citizens own, so the line between the sheep and the wolves will be clearly defined.
This message brought to you by Sarah Brady, who has four personal bodyguards that carry guns. :Q
We need to get rid of all the evil guns law abiding citizens own, so the line between the sheep and the wolves will be clearly defined. This message brought to you by Sarah Brady, who has four personal bodyguards that carry guns. :Q
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Actually, there are 32 incidents where a law abiding citizen ends up with a gun death or injury for every reported incident of a "bad gun" helping good people. >>
Which bodily orifice did you pull that bogus factoid from?
<< Wait you don't understand! The guns don't do anything. If you leave them alone, they will sit there for thousands of years, harmlessly, eroding away, doing nothing. It's the person who is firing the gun that does the bad! Don't bash our evil guns, it isn't their fault >>
But hey, they are EVIL!!!
Buy a good gun, you do not want a sign of evil in your house, do you..
Patrick
PCResources
IF you were trained as you say, you would know there is absolutely no way to tell how someone will react in a given situation trained or no.
As for the AK74, it kicked a bit less that the 47, but split cases because of margunal ammo were a real problem with the 7.62X39 ammo as nearly every country in the world started to make it. the '74 had a slightly and more complex trigger mechanism that slowed the rate of fire. The Ak47 was always known for it's incredible reliability under adverse conditions and the new trigger group just added to the legend as far as I'm concerned. The new round was called 'poison bullets' by the Afgans and they were the first to find out. I'm a fan of the new NATO 5.56 and prefer Canadien made SS109 ammo and have shot several Chinese variants that shhot either the NATO or the Rssian round. The 5.56 has less muzzle rise, but that varies with the design of the brake and there are plenty of those to experiment with! I shot a RPK version with a 'cutts' compensor that was dead level in full auto...no muzzle climb at all...drums of ammo were literally a blast!
myputer
I do not mean to poke fun at your concern, but there is no known correlation between training and actual use of a firearm during a stressful situation. Most that apply for a carry permit already are quite proficient with firearms and how to handle them safely. According to the FBI, a legal Citizen carrying a firearm is less apt to be involved in ANY crime and have a quit a bit less chance of being a vicyim simple because the responsibility makes that person more aware and thus more careful where he might go.
<< Why aren't people prosecuted when a child gets their gun and kills someone? >>
More State Laws are addressing this and they are supported by the NRA and other pro-gun groups.
<< What is the problem with a waiting period, why do people flip out over this? >>
There are no statistics that show waiting periods do anything. The Brady Law was only passed by a bi-partisan vote and with the consent of the NRA as part of the agreement was after 5 years it would revert to instant background checks. We can argue what the FBI did with the millions that were supposed to be spent on the system, but as of yet it is not perfect. Lately, you here rheortic about 'Closing The Gun Show Loophole.' That would prevent individuals from selling to individuals and make all sorts of notifications and liability the responsibility of the Gun Show Promoter. Dealers and individuals already have a quagmire of laws to obey. This is simply an attempt to make someone liable and to bankrupt a businessman through litigation.
The anti-gun groups have made it known that a complete disarming of the public is their goal. The NRA and like groups have gone along with law after law. Over 22,000 laws are on the books and another law was NEVER the answer to the crime rate.
Good questions!
IF you were trained as you say, you would know there is absolutely no way to tell how someone will react in a given situation trained or no.
As for the AK74, it kicked a bit less that the 47, but split cases because of margunal ammo were a real problem with the 7.62X39 ammo as nearly every country in the world started to make it. the '74 had a slightly and more complex trigger mechanism that slowed the rate of fire. The Ak47 was always known for it's incredible reliability under adverse conditions and the new trigger group just added to the legend as far as I'm concerned. The new round was called 'poison bullets' by the Afgans and they were the first to find out. I'm a fan of the new NATO 5.56 and prefer Canadien made SS109 ammo and have shot several Chinese variants that shhot either the NATO or the Rssian round. The 5.56 has less muzzle rise, but that varies with the design of the brake and there are plenty of those to experiment with! I shot a RPK version with a 'cutts' compensor that was dead level in full auto...no muzzle climb at all...drums of ammo were literally a blast!
myputer
I do not mean to poke fun at your concern, but there is no known correlation between training and actual use of a firearm during a stressful situation. Most that apply for a carry permit already are quite proficient with firearms and how to handle them safely. According to the FBI, a legal Citizen carrying a firearm is less apt to be involved in ANY crime and have a quit a bit less chance of being a vicyim simple because the responsibility makes that person more aware and thus more careful where he might go.
<< Why aren't people prosecuted when a child gets their gun and kills someone? >>
More State Laws are addressing this and they are supported by the NRA and other pro-gun groups.
<< What is the problem with a waiting period, why do people flip out over this? >>
There are no statistics that show waiting periods do anything. The Brady Law was only passed by a bi-partisan vote and with the consent of the NRA as part of the agreement was after 5 years it would revert to instant background checks. We can argue what the FBI did with the millions that were supposed to be spent on the system, but as of yet it is not perfect. Lately, you here rheortic about 'Closing The Gun Show Loophole.' That would prevent individuals from selling to individuals and make all sorts of notifications and liability the responsibility of the Gun Show Promoter. Dealers and individuals already have a quagmire of laws to obey. This is simply an attempt to make someone liable and to bankrupt a businessman through litigation.
The anti-gun groups have made it known that a complete disarming of the public is their goal. The NRA and like groups have gone along with law after law. Over 22,000 laws are on the books and another law was NEVER the answer to the crime rate.
Good questions!
<< There is ZERO evidence that traing of individuals BEFORE licenseing does anything. >>
And there is ZERO evidence that drinking 1oz of LRN (a common solvent in the computer industry) will kill you, but it will, so what is your point?
Until you make scientific studies with placebo control groups you cannot claim evidence... Yeah, i know, sometimes they still do (like deca-durabolin and liver toxicity)but it just ends up being wrong statements...
So what you are saying is that everyone knows how to handle a gun without training, does that really make sense to you, i am not asking for evidence, just common sense..
Patrick
If you are going to make these kinds of statements you should at leas know what a trigger lock really is, it can be removed by flicking your finger... it is that easy...
You do know there is a difference between a "trigger lock" and a "safety mechanism" , right?
You do know there is a difference between a "trigger lock" and a "safety mechanism" , right?
<< Guns are meant to kill, not save lives. Guns don't fix the problem, not when they are as easily available to the criminals as the law abiding citizen. For every single one of ulfwald's single-sided repetative stories there are hundreds of gun murders in the US alone. Now if some gun nuts would address the issue of gun murders out there, and how its possible to see guns as helpful to society when you look at all the deaths, I might be convinced. Posts such as this further solidify my position, if you can't address every side of the issue you are just beating yourself into a hole. >>
1) Guns are easily available to criminals. They just go to the local corner and pay $50->$200 for one. No questions asked. I've seen this time and time again. Kinda like drugs. Always there and always illegal.
2)for every one of your gun murders there are hundreds of ulfwalds stories that illustrate the LEGAL and correct way guns are used.
3) If some of the anit-guns nuts would address the issue of true gun crime by legal gun owners, they would see that the people with guns AND the crime commited are usually already felons, and got thier guns ILLEGALY.
Posts such as your futher solidify my position as a gun supporter and owner, if you can't truly evaluate both side of the argument, there would not be one would there?
You see, your post is nothing but an emotional reaction. It is filled with opinion and not fact - anybody can say what you said and think its really an argument. At least Ulfwald has brought some sort of support for his position. You have brought nothing.
Ryan out.
<< I'm a fan of the new NATO 5.56 >>
Ahhhh, the AK5, it is a similar weapon, light weight because of the plastic, easey on the trigger, exact aims and everything you want... that is my take on it (i saw that i turned the decimals around in my last post regarding the AK5)...
And the ammo is unstable, meaning that it will twich and spin on impact...
Are you an old Nato soldier, if so, where were you stationed?
Patrick
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<< Ulfwad, don't you get tired of making these posts? What if that criminal who was shot had been carrying a gun, hmm? Then maybe the bartender would be dead. Maybe he wanted a gun, but he couldn't get one because of a gun control law. >>
ROTFL!!!
Do you GET IT? He is a CRIMINAL!! He will get a gun if he wants one. The laws will keep the guns out of the hands of people who are NOT criminals!
<< You do know there is a difference between a "trigger lock" >>
Yup, i know that, what do you think i am, ignorant? Well, don't answer that, because obviously, you do think so, but with a little training you can remove the trigger lock in a matter of tenths of a second... I know i can remove it faster than it takes for you to even think about touching your trigger...
That is what extensive training will do...
Patrick
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<< I'm a fan of the new NATO 5.56 >>
Ahhhh, the AK5, it is a similar weapon, light weight because of the plastic, easey on the trigger, exact aims and everything you want... that is my take on it (i saw that i turned the decimals around in my last post regarding the AK5)...
And the ammo is unstable, meaning that it will twich and spin on impact...
Are you an old Nato soldier, if so, where were you stationed?
Patrick >>
You do know that the .223 is the same round right? It is what is used in the M-16 and variants.
Well, most trigger locks have a warning that says you ought not place a trigger lock on a loaded gun, as you can cause it to discharge when installing or removing it. Combination trigger locks are too easy to fumble under pressure, in the dark, etc. Trigger locks requiring a key can have the same problem, if you drop the key, jam it, etc.
<< 2)for every one of your gun murders there are hundreds of ulfwalds stories that illustrate the LEGAL and correct way guns are used. >>
That'd be nice, if it were true
<< If some of the anit-guns nuts would address the issue of true gun crime by legal gun owners, they would see that the people with guns AND the crime commited are usually already felons, and got thier guns ILLEGALY. >>
The whole point is so its harder for them to get their guns illegally...
Wait, whichever side of the argument you believe doesn't matter almost because the constitution decided this for us 200+ years ago
If more criminals were shot while commiting crimes, Crimes would eventually decrease and the prison system wouldn't be sucking so many tax dollars. Most hard criminals are damaged goods and can't be changed despite what some arrogant PHD might think.
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Oh not this again...
All you gun owners should take a note from Russ. Have enough confidence in your own belief that you don't care what other people think.
This is worse than a Hollywood sequel involving the runt of the Baldwin Brother's litter.
All you gun owners should take a note from Russ. Have enough confidence in your own belief that you don't care what other people think.
This is worse than a Hollywood sequel involving the runt of the Baldwin Brother's litter.
Siva, Guns will always be easy for criminals to get, what we need are tougher criminal control laws. Hold people accountable for their actions, don't let them off because they came up in a bad neighborhood, hell, I grew up in some pretty mean places, but I knew the difference between right and wrong. Make sentences tougher on those who commit violent crimes.
<< You do know that the .223 is the same round right? It is what is used in the M-16 and variants. >>
Not really, the .223 is a not a 5.56mm bullet. Think about it, the caliber .22 is 6mm big, the .223 has to be bigger than the .22...
Not all of the 5.56 bullets are unstable rounds, just the ones with hollow bases...
Patrick
PCResources
No military traing at all, just a Gun Nut that was inti my hobby big time about ten years ago. You are right though, training in the situations you describe is EVERYTHING!
I now drive a truck for a living. It sounds simple, but unless you have done it, you really have no idea. We train hard also and for the same reasons you did. When you are tired and worn out, the stakes are the same as if you were well rested. Make a mistake and somebody gets hurt or dies. You MUST perform at a certain level no matter the conditions.
The FBI keeps very good statistics for a Government Agency. They have found no correlation between the misuse of legally carried firearms in states with traing requirements and states with no training requirements.
The 'NEW' Nato 5.56 and the exact designation escapes me at present, has a steel penetrator embedded into it. It is a longer and heavier round than the 'old' 5.56. The barrel twist is tighter in the guns designed to shoot it as spin equates to stability. The M16s of Vietnam lore had a barrel twist of 1:12 wich was fine for a 55 grain round. The new round needs a 1:7 ratio to perform as expected. The AKs I shot chambered for the NATO ammo were 1:9 and could shoot either round.
No military traing at all, just a Gun Nut that was inti my hobby big time about ten years ago. You are right though, training in the situations you describe is EVERYTHING!
I now drive a truck for a living. It sounds simple, but unless you have done it, you really have no idea. We train hard also and for the same reasons you did. When you are tired and worn out, the stakes are the same as if you were well rested. Make a mistake and somebody gets hurt or dies. You MUST perform at a certain level no matter the conditions.
The FBI keeps very good statistics for a Government Agency. They have found no correlation between the misuse of legally carried firearms in states with traing requirements and states with no training requirements.
The 'NEW' Nato 5.56 and the exact designation escapes me at present, has a steel penetrator embedded into it. It is a longer and heavier round than the 'old' 5.56. The barrel twist is tighter in the guns designed to shoot it as spin equates to stability. The M16s of Vietnam lore had a barrel twist of 1:12 wich was fine for a 55 grain round. The new round needs a 1:7 ratio to perform as expected. The AKs I shot chambered for the NATO ammo were 1:9 and could shoot either round.
I know i can remove it faster than it takes for you to even think about touching your trigger...
I used to make statements like this when I was an immature teenager. But, I grew up and realized that you can never know everything about a person just by looking at them, or by reading what they type over the internet.
Typical trigger locks require a key to remove. Something that requires a little more time than "tenths of a second'.
I used to make statements like this when I was an immature teenager. But, I grew up and realized that you can never know everything about a person just by looking at them, or by reading what they type over the internet.
Typical trigger locks require a key to remove. Something that requires a little more time than "tenths of a second'.
Shotgun steve: The official US GOV statistics on gun crime in America. From the CDC in Atlanta.
Now you can tell us what a liberal pinko i love you operation the CDC is.
Now you can tell us what a liberal pinko i love you operation the CDC is.
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