In the next couple of weeks I am going to be ordering a new 640mb GTS 8800. Evga has two models, plain 8800 GTS and 8800 GTS superclock which comes factory overclocked and is about $25-30 more. Are there any reviews that compare that two models so I can see how much performance is gained with the overclock?
evga 8800 GTS vs 8800 GTS Superclock
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Because I want to know how much better a superclocked is vs a stock. Warranty on video card really means NOTHING because who keeps their card long enough for the warranty to matter?
Look this is my decision. I appreciate the concern but this is what I want. I have never experience a problem with a properly overclocked card. Please stick to the topic, warranty is not an issue. Even if it was I'm buying from Amazon and XFX is not available on Amazon.
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Not an issue with eVGA.
Just RMA it and eVGA sends you a new one.
That's it.
Back to the topic.
The SC version I believe is a cherry-picked from the batches.
I do not know off hand the dollar delta between the two but I'd go for a non-sc if the $$ delta is way too rip-off.
You can always o/c the non sc version to achieve the same effect if you have adequate psu and cooling inside your rig.
lol....wtf is a double lifetime warranty? If you die playing a video game you can pass the warranty onto your kids?
Warranty is a pretty big concern if you're dumping $400 into a video card. With components running as fast and hot as they do, there's a decent chance for them to die, and if they do, a company that's easy to RMA with makes a big difference.
Anyways, back to the OP's original question. I don't think these parts are binned at all, the Superclocked are simply replacing the originals (the original black PCB GTS are getting hard to find) and the new clocks are simply taking advantage of the OC'ing overhead the G80's have always had. If you look around, there's few, if any original GTS and GTX running slower than 600/900, lots are hitting 650/1000+.
The one difference that you can't make up between a Superclocked and Original even if they end up OC'ing to the same speeds is the Shader Core OC. As of now, there's no way to OC the Shader Core without flashing the BIOS and thereby, voiding your warranty. The Shader Core on the Superclocked cards runs 100-150MHz faster, usually the same speed as an original GTX. Keep in mind though, the Shader Core speed difference doesn't produce nearly the results in performance as a straight increase to core or memory clocks. I think AT did a comparison in that OCZ 8800GTX review and the difference wasn't linear, maybe 20-50% improvement relative to Shader Core increase.
Personally I'd go with the Superclocked at this point if its only $20-30 more. They're newer parts even if they're not binned, so you'll be taking advantage of any incremental overhead achieved with newer parts and better core yields. Plus you get the faster Shader Core, even though its not a huge impact, its still faster.
Warranty is a pretty big concern if you're dumping $400 into a video card. With components running as fast and hot as they do, there's a decent chance for them to die, and if they do, a company that's easy to RMA with makes a big difference.
Anyways, back to the OP's original question. I don't think these parts are binned at all, the Superclocked are simply replacing the originals (the original black PCB GTS are getting hard to find) and the new clocks are simply taking advantage of the OC'ing overhead the G80's have always had. If you look around, there's few, if any original GTS and GTX running slower than 600/900, lots are hitting 650/1000+.
The one difference that you can't make up between a Superclocked and Original even if they end up OC'ing to the same speeds is the Shader Core OC. As of now, there's no way to OC the Shader Core without flashing the BIOS and thereby, voiding your warranty. The Shader Core on the Superclocked cards runs 100-150MHz faster, usually the same speed as an original GTX. Keep in mind though, the Shader Core speed difference doesn't produce nearly the results in performance as a straight increase to core or memory clocks. I think AT did a comparison in that OCZ 8800GTX review and the difference wasn't linear, maybe 20-50% improvement relative to Shader Core increase.
Personally I'd go with the Superclocked at this point if its only $20-30 more. They're newer parts even if they're not binned, so you'll be taking advantage of any incremental overhead achieved with newer parts and better core yields. Plus you get the faster Shader Core, even though its not a huge impact, its still faster.
I try to give generally safe opinions, but recently my pal had to RMA her eVGA 8800GTS. I'm not against eVGA or anyone 
no doubt it's a good company and yes - SuperClocked version is better- go for it if you like it.
no doubt it's a good company and yes - SuperClocked version is better- go for it if you like it.That's some funny $h!t....
Anyway, back to OP: If you can afford to get the SC, by all means go for it. eVGA is a solid company, plus the SC saves you the trouble of doing it yourself and maybe messing something up...they do it for you...
i don't believe in RMA, it tells me that the company manufactures crappy hardware- i just throw it away. A good hardware device runs for years without any problems, even your great grand children can use it if they want. You guys talk like you RMA every few days as a family tradition or something - you realize what is RMA??..... anyway if it suits you.
- you realize what is RMA??..... anyway if it suits you.I'd just get the normal one and overclock it (I got mine to 650/1000). eVGA even covers a certain amount of OCing don't they?
I am getting the OC one. EVGA has not only clocked the memory and core higher, but they have also clocked the shader higher (something you can't currently do). They have picked your OC parts from their best to ensure a good OC and safe operation. Plus it is only $20 difference. And it is all under lifetime warranty.. not double though so don't die.
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AFAIK, the only thing that voids the eVGA warranty is physical damage to the card as I've been told by its tech support which is another big plus when you need to talk to someone who knows his stuff. I cannot think of any other v/c mfg which comes close to what eVGA has to offer. BFG, may be? Nope, close but no cigar.
Are you sure the shaders don't scale with the core?? I thought I read that they do. It's just you can't clock them separately from one another right now.
I have a eVGA 7800GS Superclock in one of my PCs and its a great card. Although I dont own a 8800 yet I'd say the quality of eVGA's superclock version cards are quite high. eVGA typically puts a improved cooling setup on them. The ECS units are quite good and effective. I dont think you'd be unhappy with a eVGA overclocked version. So as far as the quality and performance of the overclocked cards go I'd say you have nothing to worry about.
As to the debate of wether to overclock a stock card, and overclock it yourself, versus buying a already overclocked card goes... thats a personal choice IMO. Both are good options depending on your needs and financial situation.
As to the debate of wether to overclock a stock card, and overclock it yourself, versus buying a already overclocked card goes... thats a personal choice IMO. Both are good options depending on your needs and financial situation.
streaming processors at a clock speed separate of everything else (on the it's 1.35 GHz and on the GTS it's 1.2 GHz).
in a future driver release of nTune software you will be able to individually overclock the stream processors, the core and the memory separately. i'm sure you'll eventually see this in third party software such as rivatuner as well at some point.
I still haven't seen anybody give me a link to a comparision between the plain and overclocked 640mb version of the evga 8800GTS.
I know they run at a different clock speed but I heard that increasing the core clock also increases the shader clocks. Is this not true?? Otherwise why the large increase in performance when overclocking the GTS??
Here's a link (read the 2nd paragraph):
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTIxOCwxNiwsaGVudGh1c2lhc3Q=
Originally posted by: Aberforth
i don't believe in RMA, it tells me that the company manufactures crappy hardware- i just throw it away. A good hardware device runs for years without any problems, even your great grand children can use it if they want. You guys talk like you RMA every few days as a family tradition or something
Sorry but that's crazy talk. Sure, quality components will run for years, but given the product life cycles and external factors (PSU, heat, mobo, etc.) with PC components you can't expect every single part to be problem-free. A good RMA/Warranty policy is exactly the opposite of what you suggest. Good companies who ship quality products are only willing to offer such comprehensive/no-hassle policies because they're confident in the quality of their products. The ones that offer 30/90/1-year limited warranties and give you a hassle if you do have a problem are the ones who are worried about their defect rates and bottom-line.
I've never had to RMA anything or have something replaced under warranty, but the stakes now have changed. When you're buying GPUs for $400-500, RAM for $300, and displays for $600-1000+, you're saying you're just going to toss them in the dumpster if something goes wrong in the first year? There's lemons out there plain and simple, and I'd go as far to say that even "quality" mfgs will mass ship quantities of parts with small defects knowing the mass majority of consumers will do as you suggest and either live with the problems or simply replace them out of their own pockets.
There might not be any direct comparisons, but if you eliminate differences in clock speeds by simply OC'ing or underclocking one or the other, you're still left with a difference in the Shader clock. AT did a review comparing the new OCZ 8800GTX OC to the original and found the difference in frames wasn't as great as the difference when increasing core/memory clocks. You'd see similar differences when comparing the GTS OC vs. original.
I just ordered an EVGA Superclocked 8800GTS 640MB. I think it's a great value. The core clock is 15% faster than stock, so I assume that means about 15% more frames. A GTX is 33% faster than a stock GTS. So for +$20 you can get the Superclocked and be halfway to a GTX, or pay +$180 for a GTX.
Aberforth, you make zero sense. EVGA has a lifetime warranty, so who cares about XFX's double lifetime. Then you said "OCed vid cards are always a risky buy, what if your card renders a nice artifact after 4 months?" and also that you never RMA anything! It's no wonder it's a risky buy if you're going to throw it away even though there's a lifetime warranty!
Sorry OP, I can't find a comparison anywhere either.
Aberforth, you make zero sense. EVGA has a lifetime warranty, so who cares about XFX's double lifetime. Then you said "OCed vid cards are always a risky buy, what if your card renders a nice artifact after 4 months?" and also that you never RMA anything! It's no wonder it's a risky buy if you're going to throw it away even though there's a lifetime warranty!
Sorry OP, I can't find a comparison anywhere either.
sorry if my previous reply was confusingl; currently when you overclock the core, the stream processors overclock proportionately. you can't do it seperately, but they do overclock.
as an example, as i stated earlier the GTS stream processors run at 1.2Ghz. on mine, rivatuner shows that at my current core speed of 620Mhz, the stream processors are running @ 1.46Ghz.
in the future software, you'll be able to adjust the clockspeed of each individually.
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