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Every week a school shooting takes place.

Mai72

Mai72

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This post is for everybody who thinks that the school shootings that take place in America are not a big deal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/10/school-shootings-since-newtown_n_5480209.html

Including Tuesday's incident at a high school in Troutdale, Oregon, 74 school shootings have taken place in the approximately 18 months since the Dec. 14, 2012, Newtown shooting. The average school year typically lasts about 180 days, which means there have been roughly 270 school days, or 54 weeks, of class since the shooting at Newtown. With 74 total incidents over that period, the nation is averaging well over a shooting per school week.
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The problem is that most of the school shootings aren't what one typically thinks of when you say "School Shooting".

January 9, 2014, Liberty Technology Magnet High School, Jackson, Tennessee
Two male students, ages 16 and 17, got into a disagreement over a female
student. After classes were dismissed, the two boys got into a fight, and one
student shot the other in the thigh.

January 30, 2014, Eastern Florida State College, Palm Bay, Florida
A verbal argument between students escalated into a fight in the parking lot of
the main academic building, and a 24-year-old student pulled a handgun from
his car and shot another student in the chest.

August 23, 2013, North Panola High School, Sardis, Mississippi
A 15-year-old was killed by a single gunshot to the chest after a fight broke out
at a high school football game. Three people involved in the fight were arrested
for the shooting, including a 17-year old.
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http://3gbwir1ummda16xrhf4do9d21bsx...nt/uploads/2014/04/SchoolShootingsReport1.pdf

They also appear to be counting on campus suicides as "School shootings"
 
obviously the ideal number would be zero, but for all the talk I hear about people afraid of schools or depicting America as a war zone where you can't walk down the block without being shot at, you're probably more likely to be struck by lightning than be involved in a school shooting.
 
Jaskalas said:
Let's make schools gun free zones!
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We all know arming everyone is the best bet - because no criminal could ever end up shooting and killing someone who is already arm,.. oh, wait,.. they have,... police officers in fact.

OK. So, arming everyone doesn't work. What next smart guy?
 
Every week or two a school shooting in America has happened for YEARS. Been that way for a long time. Most of it happens on highschools or college campuses. Most of it is gang related, drug related, or suicides. Most of that is just one or two people injured or killed. Very little of it is ever reports by the media nationally. Actually almost none of it. Only the few mass shootings that are out of the ordinary or when one of the "better" schools that causes a surprises outrage that "OMG I couldn't believe it could happen to us!" kind of people live near by then it gets plastered all over the national media. It tends to get shown more on left leaning national news media than right leaning. It also gets shown more when a democrat president is in office than not.

It would be great if we lived in a peaceful violent free society. If all humans were logical, compassionate, and well adjusted. That isn't the case now and it will be a long time before that happens. If it ever does happen.

It's sad and tragic when people are shot. When anyone is shot and killed that is innocent. To me I add no more weight if the person shot and killed was a cherub 5 year darling child, a 80 year old loving grandmother, or a middle age father of 3. They are all tragic when it happens. I don't let their deaths distract from the realization that there are fucking real monsters out there in human skin. That there are scum bags who perpetrate this shit. I also know that most of the proposed "sensible" laws that are being bandied about by lobbyists and politicians are nothing more than knee-jerk feel good reactions that cater to soothe the paranoia of their target audiences on the issue.

There isn't a law in the world that will ever stop these monsters or incidents from occurring. To think otherwise is to delude yourself. When it comes to a problem that cannot be solved or stopped, the next best things are preparation and education to reduce the impact. Sadly, none of the anti gun laws do any of those two.
 
Kids get ready for school!

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HumblePie said:
Every week or two a school shooting in America has happened for YEARS. Been that way for a long time. Most of it happens on highschools or college campuses. Most of it is gang related, drug related, or suicides. Most of that is just one or two people injured or killed. Very little of it is ever reports by the media nationally. Actually almost none of it. Only the few mass shootings that are out of the ordinary or when one of the "better" schools that causes a surprises outrage that "OMG I couldn't believe it could happen to us!" kind of people live near by then it gets plastered all over the national media. It tends to get shown more on left leaning national news media than right leaning. It also gets shown more when a democrat president is in office than not.

It would be great if we lived in a peaceful violent free society. If all humans were logical, compassionate, and well adjusted. That isn't the case now and it will be a long time before that happens. If it ever does happen.

It's sad and tragic when people are shot. When anyone is shot and killed that is innocent. To me I add no more weight if the person shot and killed was a cherub 5 year darling child, a 80 year old loving grandmother, or a middle age father of 3. They are all tragic when it happens. I don't let their deaths distract from the realization that there are fucking real monsters out there in human skin. That there are scum bags who perpetrate this shit. I also know that most of the proposed "sensible" laws that are being bandied about by lobbyists and politicians are nothing more than knee-jerk feel good reactions that cater to soothe the paranoia of their target audiences on the issue.

There isn't a law in the world that will ever stop these monsters or incidents from occurring. To think otherwise is to delude yourself. When it comes to a problem that cannot be solved or stopped, the next best things are preparation and education to reduce the impact. Sadly, none of the anti gun laws do any of those two.
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Common sense reply, in P&N? :wub:
:thumbsup: Respect for HumblePie.

Preparation and education are a good avenue to pursue. Greater, sweeping, measures to address violence in America would also help. It's our society that needs to be changed in order to reduce violence.

Is changing society a proper function of our government, especially at a federal level? How does one go about doing that? You know... even ignoring the rule of law and constitutional rights, how is it done? Do we start with European censorship on violence?

Perhaps we need a list of proposals, to help us appreciate the options available.
 
Yet the media ignores the fact that this last weekend there were 7 killed and 28 wounded by guns in Chicago.

Just hoping this does not turn into a revoke the 2nd amendment thread. The nation should be focusing on the cause of the violence. In these school shootings it is related to mental health.
 
Newell Steamer said:
We all know arming everyone is the best bet - because no criminal could ever end up shooting and killing someone who is already arm,.. oh, wait,.. they have,... police officers in fact.

OK. So, arming everyone doesn't work. What next smart guy?
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Murder is illegal. Kids under the age of 18 owning handguns is illegal. Guns on school grounds is illegal. What do you propose we do smart guy?
 
rudder said:
Yet the media ignores the fact that this last weekend there were 7 killed and 28 wounded by guns in Chicago.

Just hoping this does not turn into a revoke the 2nd amendment thread. The nation should be focusing on the cause of the violence. In these school shootings it is related to mental health.
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Remember that many in our government feel that there is a solution to every problem. That there is nothing that cannot be addressed by either throwing more money at it or by restricting rights and freedoms or by doing a combination of both.

The "do something" voting block is big and getting bigger.
 
Newell Steamer said:
OK. So, arming everyone doesn't work. What next smart guy?
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Do you know anything about how wild animals think?

Take the alligator for example. Rarely will a gator attack anything larger than itself. If it did, there is a chance the gator will be injured and unable to hunt.

Lions and wolves are pack animals, and as such are able to take down larger game.

A lone predator will target weak and defenseless prey.

Children in a gun free zone are weak and defenseless.

When a coyote or fox attacks a chicken flock, the rooster will fight the predator. The rooster does not stand a chance in beating a coyote. What the rooster does is buy the flock some time to get to safety.

How do you fix school shootings? You bring in armed guards who will protect the children. The guards are the rooster and the children are the flock. In this case however, the rooster stands a good chance to stop the predator.

Even if the guard does not stop the shooter, engaging the shooter for just a couple of minutes buys the children time to run.
 
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Mr. Pedantic said:
I like how both of you think there's a simple solution to all this.
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There is a simple solution to the school shooting problem.

Stop making schools easy targets.

You really think a fox is going to raid the chicken house when the farmer is standing there with a shotgun?
 
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Texashiker said:
Do you know anything about how wild animals think?

Take the alligator for example. Rarely will a gator attack anything larger than itself. If it did, there is a chance the gator will be injured and unable to hunt.

Lions and wolves are pack animals, and as such are able to take down larger game.

A lone predator will target weak and defenseless prey.

Children in a gun free zone are weak and defenseless.

When a coyote or fox attacks a chicken flock, the rooster will fight the predator. The rooster does not stand a chance in beating a coyote. What the rooster does is buy the flock some time to get to safety.

How do you fix school shootings? You bring in armed guards who will protect the children. The guards are the rooster and the children are the flock. In this case however, the rooster stands a good chance to stop the predator.

Even if the guard does not stop the shooter, engaging the shooter for just a couple of minutes buys the children time to run.
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Would trained roosters work? Be cheaper.
 
Matt1970 said:
Murder is illegal. Kids under the age of 18 owning handguns is illegal. Guns on school grounds is illegal. What do you propose we do smart guy?
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/this


sadly there is little that can be done.

also as rudder mentioned i wonder why the media ignores what is going on in chicago.
 
Venix said:
The report also classifies legal self-defense as a "school shooting." Only an idiot would trust this report or the liars who published it.
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Of course this "report" is complete crap, there was never any doubt about it. It's gullible fools who latch on to this nonsense and then proclaim we have to "do something!" (no matter how stupid or pointless) that are the problem.
 
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