Evergreen College Documentary

[s0me0nesmind1]

Mike Nayna is doing a documentary on Evergreen College with the whole Bret Weinstein debacle - I found it to be pretty informative as well as scary.

I think situations like this need to be dissected and studied down to the bone. This is a laboratory example of how to fuck up a country with innate morons with no real sense of reality. They sincerely have something cognitively wrong in their brain. It's incredibly disturbing.

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3 hasn't yet been released, but I presume will be released soon

 

[realibrad]

This thread will die quickly, because there is not going to be a valid argument against this. At most, you will have someone say that Evergreen is an outlier and does not represent anything beyond that one school.

It was super interesting though. I am waiting for part 3.

 

[whm1974]

This thread will die quickly, because there is not going to be a valid argument against this. At most, you will have someone say that Evergreen is an outlier and does not represent anything beyond that one school.

It was super interesting though. I am waiting for part 3.

Didn't the Dean of the school or whatever title was, told the police not show up? When some black students ask the white students and staff not attend class for a day, and after those who refused to go alone with this, they show up with baseball bats to harasses them over the refusal.

believe it or not, the police chief of that town didn't send in the police anyway, fulfilling the Dean request.

The above nonsense is a good reason not to go a Liberal Art College or go to a school that doesn't tolerate the above or other such nonsense.

If I was going back to school, I am there to learn.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Didn't the Dean of the school or whatever title was, told the police not show up? When some black students ask the white students and staff not attend class for a day, and after those who refused to go alone with this, they show up with baseball bats to harasses them over the refusal.

believe it or not, the police chief of that town didn't send in the police anyway, fulfilling the Dean request.

The above nonsense is a good reason not to go a Liberal Art College or go to a school that doesn't tolerate the above or other such nonsense.

If I was going back to school, I am there to learn.

I mean moreso I just look at all the kids that attend that place.

There isn't a single shot in hell at them succeeding in life. Those are top notch A+ kids that will have such as amazing job prospects as a Starbucks Barista after they get done racking up $50k+ in debt there.

They simply have a warped sense of reality of what the working world is like - and even moreso what living in a first world country is like. This entire anti-western teaching establishments is really pathetic.

 

[interchange]

This seems like something impossible to present objectively. Hopefully I'll find time to look at the documentaries.

 

[whm1974]

I mean moreso I just look at all the kids that attend that place.

There isn't a single shot in hell at them succeeding in life. Those are top notch A+ kids that will have such as amazing job prospects as a Starbucks Barista after they get done racking up $50k+ in debt there.

They simply have a warped sense of reality of what the working world is like - and even moreso what living in a first world country is like. This entire anti-western teaching establishments is really pathetic.

I have to check, but I think that the Dean got fired and the police chief lost his job as well over this crap. Why in Hell didn't Chief send police in the place?

 

[whm1974]

This seems like something impossible to present objectively. Hopefully I'll find time to look at the documentaries.

Evergreen ended up being the laughingstock of decent colleges, with Students and Professors in more practical areas poking fun at Liberal Arts in a big way.

 

[realibrad]

Didn't the Dean of the school or whatever title was, told the police not show up? When some black students ask the white students and staff not attend class for a day, and after those who refused to go alone with this, they show up with baseball bats to harasses them over the refusal.

believe it or not, the police chief of that town didn't send in the police anyway, fulfilling the Dean request.

The above nonsense is a good reason not to go a Liberal Art College or go to a school that doesn't tolerate the above or other such nonsense.

If I was going back to school, I am there to learn.

The whole story is quite amazing. He was literally held in a room and not allowed to leave. Students recorded it, and then he tried to say that if he had wanted to he could have left. I would suggest watching the video to see just how crazy things were there.

The training part is quite crazy. It reminds me of when Sadam took over Iraq.

 

[realibrad]

This seems like something impossible to present objectively. Hopefully I'll find time to look at the documentaries.

Objectivity is a white construct. That is a half joke, but, if you watch it, you can see that they do try. Some of what they say seems to be hyperbolic simply because its so crazy that your instinct is to say it can't be true. Yet, most of this is public record.

I think you will find some of the meetings they had quite interesting, as you probably have a better understanding of how to read the situation more than the average person.

If you don't mind, would you comment again in this thread about your thoughts on the video(s) if you do watch them?

 

[Thebobo]

Its all Diversion. Of all the important things going on this is a flea bite. Also the high pitch background audio is annoying as fuck. And I don't know what is good or bad here, charge all the fuckers or not and I don't care.

 

[interchange]

Objectivity is a white construct. That is a half joke, but, if you watch it, you can see that they do try. Some of what they say seems to be hyperbolic simply because its so crazy that your instinct is to say it can't be true. Yet, most of this is public record.

I think you will find some of the meetings they had quite interesting, as you probably have a better understanding of how to read the situation more than the average person.

If you don't mind, would you comment again in this thread about your thoughts on the video(s) if you do watch them?

Ha! Sure.

Edit: I watched the first episode. Here are some thoughts.

1. It's not neutrally presented at all thus far, though I'm not sure it's intended to be, and I don't know if things will shift perspective over future episodes. That said, I don't think anything felt misrepresented.

2. Weinstein reminds me a lot of my boss in personality. Romantic in speech, gives evidence that seems compelling but filtered through a point of view which might be significantly lacking, and prone to divisive explanations of things.

3. The proponents of these changes have the same faults but are seeing things from a different perspective.

4. They seek to undo racism which is bad because it divides people artificially and makes value judgments on those classes based on attributes not actually tied to their value as people and is propagated through authoritarian means and socialization and coercive socialization for those who might resist it. They seek to undo this evil by.... Repeating it in reverse?

5. Anyone who is unfamiliar with the Stanford prison experiment ought to read about it. It's pretty clear that the paradigm they were trying to institute was going to end badly on some pretty basic social psychological principles which aren't inherent to race dynamics.

6. I don't generally find liberal academic language and findings about race objectionable. I actually find the problem is more in melding that with moral judgment and imagining that, on the level of personal experience in the now, we as people are anywhere close to being able to look at ourselves objectively and understand the dynamics of race operating in the now.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Part 3 just released. TRIGGER WARNING for all the snowflakes here

 

[umbrella39]

Spotting a triggered Russian is easier than finding Waldo these days TBH... I'd be triggered, too, if every morning I woke up and looked in the mirror and thought... Hmm, sort of look American, I sort of speak and can sort of type out American English, I want badly to be an American, but then reality sets in and the realization comes that there is only a Russian piece of shit loser staring back... Sucks to be michal1980

If you can't be 'em, troll 'em...

 

[dank69]

Spotting a triggered Russian is easier than finding Waldo these days TBH... I'd be triggered, too, if every morning I woke up and looked in the mirror and thought... Hmm, sort of look American, I sort of speak and can sort of type out American English, I want badly to be an American, but then reality sets in and the realization comes that there is only a Russian piece of shit loser staring back... Sucks to be michal1980

If you can't be 'em, troll 'em...

Is it confirmed that slow is actually 1980?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Is it confirmed that slow is actually 1980?

I figured he is trying to insinuate that I am a michael1980 clone?

Either way it's pretty funny. It's been so long since I've seen Michael1980 I can't even remember his posting style.

 

[hal2kilo]

No one is compelled to go to that school. People go there by choice. Don't choose to go to that school.

 

[mect]

You'll get no argument from me. The Evergreen College event was extremely fucked up. That is a legitimate case of progressives eating their own and self imploding. We shouldn't run from it or try to hide it. We need to fix it. Progressives should be supporting academic freedom, freedom of expression, and civil discourse.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Small, liberal arts college in Oregon is apparently ending civilization in America. Huh. Who'd a thunk it.

 

[woolfe9998]

No one is compelled to go to that school. People go there by choice. Don't choose to go to that school.

Not very many people are anymore, apparently. It's what happens when you allow the lunatics to run the asylum.

 

[realibrad]

Not very many people are anymore, apparently. It's what happens when you allow the lunatics to run the asylum.

What I think the discussion should be about, is if there was a broader underlying principle that caused a manifestation to unfold, or conversely, why some have the perception that there is a unifying principle that drives these types of incidents. I'm in the camp that the ideas coupled with the mentality of the people that adhere to these beliefs are at the root of what happened at Evergreen. I wish someone on the opposite side would explain why they disagree, and what they think people like me get wrong.

 

[woolfe9998]

What I think the discussion should be about, is if there was a broader underlying principle that caused a manifestation to unfold, or conversely, why some have the perception that there is a unifying principle that drives these types of incidents. I'm in the camp that the ideas coupled with the mentality of the people that adhere to these beliefs are at the root of what happened at Evergreen. I wish someone on the opposite side would explain why they disagree, and what they think people like me get wrong.

There's a broader problem across colleges and universities throughout the country. But Evergreen, which the documentary itself labels "the most liberal college in the entire country" is the most extreme example of it. It isn't an outlier in the sense that the problem doesn't exist elsewhere, but it's important to understand that it doesn't exist everywhere in equal measure.

 

[realibrad]

There's a broader problem across colleges and universities throughout the country. But Evergreen, which the documentary itself labels "the most liberal college in the entire country" is the most extreme example of it. It isn't an outlier in the sense that the problem doesn't exist elsewhere, but it's important to understand that it doesn't exist everywhere in equal measure.

Right. What I'm interested is what happened here and what feel into place that drove the incident. My inclination is that this type of thing is not the inevitable conclusion of "liberal" ideas, but, I also can't say what makes Evergreen so different that it could not happen again.

 

[Vic]

Small, liberal arts college in Oregon is apparently ending civilization in America. Huh. Who'd a thunk it.

Evergreen State is in Olympia, WA. But otherwise, your point is correct.

 

[Vic]

What I think the discussion should be about, is if there was a broader underlying principle that caused a manifestation to unfold, or conversely, why some have the perception that there is a unifying principle that drives these types of incidents. I'm in the camp that the ideas coupled with the mentality of the people that adhere to these beliefs are at the root of what happened at Evergreen. I wish someone on the opposite side would explain why they disagree, and what they think people like me get wrong.

Some people aren't afraid to push the boundaries of new ideas.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Evergreen State is in Olympia, WA. But otherwise, your point is correct.

Oops. For some reason I had it in my head that it was near Portland.