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kuba

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You know Dell gave him a PC.
This just show, Bill is too busy to be worried about the kind of rig he wants, he's more worried about his $60million dollar home, and hiding all the wires in it, as well as making sure all the rivets are facing in the same direction. :p (true story)
 

kuba

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At any rate, Gates was the smarter businessman, at least initially. It's not about the product so much as how you play the game, I guess.

Ya and we're all lo$ing.
 

thescreensavers

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Originally posted by: kuba
Agreed, no doubt, but, I think his involvement would be something along the lines of
day 15 of a 60 day software build, he drops in to check what's going on.
Final day, they present him with the final product.
Ever see Bill Gates' failures at the CES shows a few times.
Once in the opening of it with Conan O'Brian I believe, another time with one of his employees on stage and something froze or crashed.
So makes you think, how much testing or input he had before the final product was OK'd.
http://www.macobserver.com/article/2005/01/06.12.shtml
http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2126451/blue-screen-death-crashes-gates-ces
http://games.slashdot.org/games/05/01/06/1337228.shtml?tid=109&tid=211
3rd one there's a link to the video on slashdot.



there is no video there can some one give me a direct link to the video

thanks
 

Nothinman

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At any rate, Gates was the smarter businessman, at least initially. It's not about the product so much as how you play the game, I guess.

Which is why he should be managing the projects from way up high with no real concern for how the thing actually works, just that it does work.
 

magomago

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Wow he looks a LOT older in that last pic, almost like a bum lol. I'm more used to the first picture of him...
 

stash

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Software should be evolutionary, not revolutionary.
That's an interesting statement given the usual FUD battle cries of "Vista is nothing more than XP SP3!!" that you hear all over the place.

I would say, excluding the 9x crap, Windows has been evolutionary over the past 15 years or so. Maybe that's not how Gates and company hoped it would happen, but that's how it's turned out.
 

spikespiegal

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As I've begun my switch to OS X, I can see why Mac users are so pro-Apple: the product is 1,000 times better in every aspect - stability, ease of use, cross-communication, even designer looks.

- Doesn' t require an I.Q. above 80 to use.

- Has such a low market share that Spyware/ Malware writers ignore OSX, and hence you can surf all the porn sites you want with admin rights because you don't have a clue to disable them anyways.

- Requires you to pay for service packs like OSX 10.4 Tiger, etc, to fix kernel sh^t that Apple should have fixed from the beggining while Windows Service packs are free.

- Fancy GUI that brainwashes the user to believe anything off of Apple.com is true, including claims the new Core duo is 3x faster than the prior G4 that Apple claimed was faster than anything Intel.

- Makes you hang out in Windows forums preaching how wonderfull the Applle is when in fact all you're doing is illustrating to others how you coulnd't handle such an idiot proof OS like XP.

Now that 99% of consumer software is available for or has equivalents in OS X, it's finally feasible for me to switch. Now with dual boot and virtualization I have even more incentive. My wife's iMac requires no maintenance - no defrags, no spyware scanning

Macs don't require power either, run off a zero point module, you don't need to pay for MS licenses when you virtualize, the hard-drives never crash, and you never have to install drivers at all because OSX compiles them upon installation. Macs are also faster than Windows when it comes to networking because OSX uses a special base 3 protocol that runs in between the OSI layers.

I'll try to think of other lame *** Mac user responses, but since you all quote the same scripted responses from Apple.com I won't waste the time.

I would also like to point out that if Macs are so much more stable and reliable than Windows as you claim, why have I never seen one in a Server farm after working in the IT industry for over a decade? Not a one...never. I seen them doing mission critical things like converting videos and rendering over-budget Hollywood movies, but no network engineer I know, even the hardcore Windows haters, trust Apple to do anything more than edit nose hair on models.

...And to finalize, why is it every independant benchark I've seen with OSX Server shows it getting it's nads handed to it by even NT 4.0 when it comes to network applications? If OSX is so frikken amazing as you say it is, and the first prodigal son of Unix, why is it's network stack marginally more efficient than DOS? Why is it you can't passive FTP from OSX without loading thrid party software to make it work right?

To sum it up, Gates created Windows as a tool. Steve Jobes created consumers reliant on Apple software engineers to think for them.
 

spikespiegal

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Starting with 2k Windows starting becoming a good product. XP is a lot better

Win2K and XP are based on the same kernel, and there's otherwise little difference between them other than add on modules. I used to run a graphics lab with NT 3.51 because the OS 7x PowerMacs we had coulnd't multitask better than a brain damaged Irish Setter without time-bombing.

If XP is better than Win2K, why is there no such thing as "Windows XP Server" while Windows 2000 is trusted to handle tens of thousands of users accounts at the same time?

Nevermind. You've already made claims about your Apple that even salesman in an Apple store would laugh it.
 

drag

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Originally posted by: stash
Software should be evolutionary, not revolutionary.
That's an interesting statement given the usual FUD battle cries of "Vista is nothing more than XP SP3!!" that you hear all over the place.

Well what you see is Microsoft marketting Vista as a brand new OS.. Which it isn't. Most people are just kinda reacting in that context.

Each time Microsoft releases a new desktop OS, especially consumer-targetted ones, they claim it as something new and it's going to solve all the problems of the old ones that they are currently using... Which they weren't and they didn't.

Although transition from WinME to WinXP was something wonderfull for most people... As it should of been since ME was so horrible.
 

Raincity

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Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Originally posted by: Nothinman
He's disgustingly rich, he hires people, all he does is toss ideas, tells people what he wants done, and that's it.

Some people actually like to develop software.

Still, how bad could working on software and making $B's be? If I was in control of a company like Microsoft I'd want to be directly involved in MAKING the software/etc, I wouldnt want someone else doing it for me.

I hope you never become a manager then, people hate that kind of micro-management. And the main problem is that you can't be in control of everything all of the time, especially with the amount of software that MS produces.

Still, at least with major releases such as Windows, I'd want to be involved in EXACTLY what will be going on in order to provide the best product for the consumer, and would want to be testing it vigurously myself- because if it didn't meet my standards, it wouldnt meet the standards of the consumer.

Well, that's why you and I are on the AT forums and why Gates is a billionaire. Back in the day, Gates and Jobs were both starting computer companies. Jobs dumped his cash into developing a good product, while Gates dumped his cash into marketing his product. Jobs ended up with an awesome command-line-free point-and-click system and Gates ended up with the empire. Gates knew that if he gained market control first, he could always use the money to fund further development to encourage users to stick with his product.

Starting with 2k Windows starting becoming a good product. XP is a lot better, although it still takes more work than necessary to maintain it (Adaware/Spybot/AVG/Windows Update/Disk Cleanup/Disk Defrag/backup are my weekly chores). As I've begun my switch to OS X, I can see why Mac users are so pro-Apple: the product is 1,000 times better in every aspect - stability, ease of use, cross-communication, even designer looks. Now that 99% of consumer software is available for or has equivalents in OS X, it's finally feasible for me to switch. Now with dual boot and virtualization I have even more incentive. My wife's iMac requires no maintenance - no defrags, no spyware scanning, no need to even have an antivirus solution. Dot Mac and a local Firewire backup disk take care of clones and backups for her. It's quite a nice setup. I think a lot more people will be switch to OS X now that it can dual boot and now that Vista is being release (six versions? yikes!).

At any rate, Gates was the smarter businessman, at least initially. It's not about the product so much as how you play the game, I guess.


Gates just got lucky. He was smart enough early on to know the value of software but that was about it. Gates never expected the IBM PC to be back engineered. Only for new platforms to be created, that is why he would not sign an exclusive deal with IBM. IBM was stupid and was only interested in the profits from the machine sales, software was a give away to them. From the licensing sales of DOS to Toshiba, NEC, HP MS was able to mass enough capital to finance to back engineering of the Apple OS. MS had the capital and resources to dominate over the startup AOL, big mistake Gates thought the net was just a fad. MS played allot of catch up to correct that mistake.
 

RebateMonger

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I'll be forever bummed by my High School "Guidance Counselor". In the early '70s, Mine told me that I should abandon my interest in computers and pursue another career.

Quote:
"By the time you graduate from college, all of the computer jobs will be filled and there won't be a need for more computer people."

Good thing Bill didn't have the same Guidance Counselor.
 

Nothinman

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That's an interesting statement given the usual FUD battle cries of "Vista is nothing more than XP SP3!!" that you hear all over the place.

Those are also the people that have no idea how long it really takes to develop, debug, qa, etc an OS, let alone one with as much crap as Windows ships with. They want something revolutionary, but that doesn't mean it's the best thing for the product. Another factor is probably the large amount of money they're paying for Windows, if they're going to spend a couple hundred bucks they want the software to be obviously newer and different than what they already have otherwise what's the point in paying for the new stuff? Yes, we all know that it's different and better, but you can list kernel enhancements, security fixes, new services, etc until you're blue in the face and it won't mean a thing to them if they can't see it and understand how it affects them.

Win2K and XP are based on the same kernel, and there's otherwise little difference between them other than add on modules.

Actually there's a lot of differences between them, it's just that most of them were under the hood.

If XP is better than Win2K, why is there no such thing as "Windows XP Server" while Windows 2000 is trusted to handle tens of thousands of users accounts at the same time?

Because it's called Windows Server 2003.
 

Hyperblaze

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Originally posted by: Soviet
Hes made his umpteen billion. He dosent need to do much work anymore. Wish i had thought up windows first :(

As far as I was aware, they bought the rights to windows from someone and sold it as theirs. Pretty much like they did with DOS.

 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: spikespiegal
As I've begun my switch to OS X, I can see why Mac users are so pro-Apple: the product is 1,000 times better in every aspect - stability, ease of use, cross-communication, even designer looks.

- Doesn' t require an I.Q. above 80 to use.

- Has such a low market share that Spyware/ Malware writers ignore OSX, and hence you can surf all the porn sites you want with admin rights because you don't have a clue to disable them anyways.

- Requires you to pay for service packs like OSX 10.4 Tiger, etc, to fix kernel sh^t that Apple should have fixed from the beggining while Windows Service packs are free.

- Fancy GUI that brainwashes the user to believe anything off of Apple.com is true, including claims the new Core duo is 3x faster than the prior G4 that Apple claimed was faster than anything Intel.

- Makes you hang out in Windows forums preaching how wonderfull the Applle is when in fact all you're doing is illustrating to others how you coulnd't handle such an idiot proof OS like XP.

Why did you turn this from a discussion into an attack? Why in the world are you so defensive? Rather than ranting about everything under the sun, let's take an objective look at your complaints:

1. "Doesn' t require an I.Q. above 80 to use."

Why are you so insistent that computers have to be difficult to use? Obviously not everyone has your IQ of 160. When I work on Windows machines, I feel like I spend a lot more time fighting the system than I do when working on Apple OS X machines. Computers are meant to be tools to do things, whether it's entertaining you, doing work, whatever. It seems to me that the more straightforward and approachable the design, the more you can effectively work. Originally all cars were stick shift, but most people own automatics now. Does that make them dumb? No, just not everyone wants to be a power user...same with computers.

2. "Has such a low market share that Spyware/ Malware writers ignore OSX, and hence you can surf all the porn sites you want with admin rights because you don't have a clue to disable them anyways."

So you're saying that Windows XP doesn't require any study at all to figure out how to configure administrative accounts and settings?

3. "Requires you to pay for service packs like OSX 10.4 Tiger, etc, to fix kernel sh^t that Apple should have fixed from the beggining while Windows Service packs are free."

Wait, wait. So Apple should have fixed these kernel problems from the beginning, but it's OK that Microsoft had problems and so they're allowed to release service packs? I agree that it's kind of silly for users to have to pay for major Apple service pack updates, but Apple does more than just bug fixes - they release new software and services as well. For example: iChat, Rendezvous networking, Exposé, Spotlight, Dashboard/widgets, Automator...the list goes on and on. I don't see Windows handing stuff out like that with their free service pack releases...so not much of a comparison.

4. "Fancy GUI that brainwashes the user to believe anything off of Apple.com is true, including claims the new Core duo is 3x faster than the prior G4 that Apple claimed was faster than anything Intel."

OS X = UNIX with a nice shell. Have you even ever used Aqua, Apple's GUI? It's actually pretty nice. As far as brainwashing goes, that's everywhere. Why do we buy Mustangs, Corvettes, and Ferraris? Because they look cool. They are just appliances that get us from point A to point B, but it's fun to have a "fancy GUI" to do it in.

As far as the speed claims, every company that manufacters and markets a product exaggerates. Aside from that, yes - believe it or not, newer chips are faster! Also, times change. At the time, Apple's chips may have been faster than Intel's chips, but progress has occured and now they're using the faster Intel chips. Wow, mind boggling!

5. "Makes you hang out in Windows forums preaching how wonderfull the Applle is when in fact all you're doing is illustrating to others how you coulnd't handle such an idiot proof OS like XP."

So because I shared my experience with an Apple product, that makes me a preacher? Did you miss the lines where I said "Starting with 2k Windows starting becoming a good product. XP is a lot better..."? And you're calling me an idiot because I said I've used Apple products? You're starting to sound like a bona fide fanboy :)

XP is not idiot proof, nor is OS X. OS X is certainly more user and consumer friendly, but both are complex operating systems and are subject to error, like any other complex system. If XP was idiot proof, why do I get blue screens? Why does my computer freeze up? Why do I get popups, virii, and spyware? Why do I have to download Windows updates every two days? Why does my computer get slow after just a year of normal use? Gee, I must be an idiot because these things happen! I can't handle running Windows and so I need to go and "illustrate to others how I can't handle such an idiot-proof OS like XP!" My goodness!

Now that 99% of consumer software is available for or has equivalents in OS X, it's finally feasible for me to switch. Now with dual boot and virtualization I have even more incentive. My wife's iMac requires no maintenance - no defrags, no spyware scanning

Macs don't require power either, run off a zero point module, you don't need to pay for MS licenses when you virtualize, the hard-drives never crash, and you never have to install drivers at all because OSX compiles them upon installation. Macs are also faster than Windows when it comes to networking because OSX uses a special base 3 protocol that runs in between the OSI layers.

How did you go from "no defrags, no spyware scanning" to "Macs don't require power either, run off a zero point module" etc.? Macs require a lot less user maintenance than Windows. That doesn't mean they're invincible or magical. They are still subject to hardware problems, and even software problems. You have a serious problem of taking things out of context and out of proportion, my friend!

I would also like to point out that if Macs are so much more stable and reliable than Windows as you claim, why have I never seen one in a Server farm after working in the IT industry for over a decade? Not a one...never. I seen them doing mission critical things like converting videos and rendering over-budget Hollywood movies, but no network engineer I know, even the hardcore Windows haters, trust Apple to do anything more than edit nose hair on models.

...And to finalize, why is it every independant benchark I've seen with OSX Server shows it getting it's nads handed to it by even NT 4.0 when it comes to network applications? If OSX is so frikken amazing as you say it is, and the first prodigal son of Unix, why is it's network stack marginally more efficient than DOS? Why is it you can't passive FTP from OSX without loading thrid party software to make it work right?

Why did you go from talking about consumer applications to server/business applications? I made no mention of "network applications" for Macs. Again, you have a problem with blowing things out of proportion. The point I was trying to make with my post is that (1) Gates is a shrewd businessman and (2) OS X is a nice operating system alternative for consumers. We can't compare OS X to everything under the sun because, like everything else, it has its niche. Linux isn't exactly the most consumer-friendly operating system, but it makes a great server OS. So why not complain about that? Or a million other things?

To sum it up, Gates created Windows as a tool. Steve Jobes created consumers reliant on Apple software engineers to think for them.

Why do you say that Jobs created an environment where consumers are reliant on software engineers to think for them? Because he thought that maybe people should be able to focus on what they want to do with their computer rather than the computer itself? There's a novel idea! :D

 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: spikespiegal
Starting with 2k Windows starting becoming a good product. XP is a lot better

Win2K and XP are based on the same kernel, and there's otherwise little difference between them other than add on modules. I used to run a graphics lab with NT 3.51 because the OS 7x PowerMacs we had coulnd't multitask better than a brain damaged Irish Setter without time-bombing.

If XP is better than Win2K, why is there no such thing as "Windows XP Server" while Windows 2000 is trusted to handle tens of thousands of users accounts at the same time?

Nevermind. You've already made claims about your Apple that even salesman in an Apple store would laugh it.

I say XP is a lot better because it is more user-friendly than 2000. I won't comment on pre-OS X Mac operating systems because I'm not a big fan of them and never really had any incentive to use them until they switched to Unix. As far as "Windows XP Server" goes, again, I'm not talking about server applications, I'm talking about consumer applications. Actually, from personal experience, it seems that Windows 2000 seems a lot more stable than XP for long-term/uptime use. It even handles machines with bad ram better (again, in my own experience).

Exactly what claims did I make about Apple that even an Apple salesman would laugh at? I said that I can see why Mac users are so pro-Apple for the following reasons:

1. Stability:
OS X is more stable than XP. That's not to say that it's completely stable and un-crash-proof. Nothing is. But it crashes a lot less than XP does.

2. Ease of use: Try installing an OS X application - just drag and drop into the Applications folder. All of the iLife applications talk to each other easily, as they do to many other programs. Opening apps straight from the Dock is a lot nicer than hunting around in the Start Menu for them.

3. Cross-communication: iTunes music sharing, Front Row media sharing, file/print sharing - all much easier on a Mac for consumers imo.

4. Designer looks: iMacs look pretty nice. The aluminum Apple displays look pretty nice. The Mac Mini is small. Windows computers are getting better (nicer looks), but if you put a Dell next to a Mac Mini, it's easy to tell which looks nicer.

That doesn't sound all that far-fetched to me :p
 

Nothinman

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Wait, wait. So Apple should have fixed these kernel problems from the beginning, but it's OK that Microsoft had problems and so they're allowed to release service packs? I agree that it's kind of silly for users to have to pay for major Apple service pack updates, but Apple does more than just bug fixes - they release new software and services as well. For example: iChat, Rendezvous networking, Exposé, Spotlight, Dashboard/widgets, Automator...the list goes on and on. I don't see Windows handing stuff out like that with their free service pack releases...so not much of a comparison.

Can you run OS X 10.0 and still get all of the updates that they've released? It's a genuine question, I really don't know the answer. If you can install all of the fixed without paying for the minor updates Apple releases then I don't see a problem. And MS does include extra crap in their service packs, it's actually more of a problem than a feature IMO.

OS X = UNIX with a nice shell.

To a certain extent, yes. But they've moved enough stuff around that it's not really like any other unix out there. And that NetInfo crap they pulled over with NeXT is annoying as hell.

I made no mention of "network applications" for Macs. Again, you have a problem with blowing things out of proportion.

It's called a strawman.
 

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1. Stability:
OS X is more stable than XP. That's not to say that it's completely stable and un-crash-proof. Nothing is. But it crashes a lot less than XP does.

Not sure where you come up with this. Windows XP has not crashed on me a single time on any of my 4 comptuers that run it.
Actually, that's not true. A few times I've gotten crashes, but they aren't window's fault.
For example, on my laptop my harddrive was dying, and I got a few BSODs, but replacing the harddrive fixed that.
I've had a few buggy applications freeze windows, but again, the application's fault. In fact, in XP, usually rogue programs can be closed without pulling windows down with it. Now, I understand the same thing applies for macs, but my point is, stability is hardly an issue anymore. I have never lost any work I'd done under XP due to stability issues.
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: unfalliblekrutch

1. Stability:
OS X is more stable than XP. That's not to say that it's completely stable and un-crash-proof. Nothing is. But it crashes a lot less than XP does.

Not sure where you come up with this. Windows XP has not crashed on me a single time on any of my 4 comptuers that run it.
Actually, that's not true. A few times I've gotten crashes, but they aren't window's fault.
For example, on my laptop my harddrive was dying, and I got a few BSODs, but replacing the harddrive fixed that.
I've had a few buggy applications freeze windows, but again, the application's fault. In fact, in XP, usually rogue programs can be closed without pulling windows down with it. Now, I understand the same thing applies for macs, but my point is, stability is hardly an issue anymore. I have never lost any work I'd done under XP due to stability issues.

Right, like I said in an earlier post, XP is a lot better than previous versions. Both XP and OS X rarely crash or freeze, but XP does it more than OS X does in my experience. I work on two OS X machines (a 450mhz G4 and a 2ghz Core Duo) and four or five XP machines. XP with SP2 is fairly stable, however. I can leave the Macs up and running all the time without too much worry, but I do restart the XP machines at least weekly.
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
Wait, wait. So Apple should have fixed these kernel problems from the beginning, but it's OK that Microsoft had problems and so they're allowed to release service packs? I agree that it's kind of silly for users to have to pay for major Apple service pack updates, but Apple does more than just bug fixes - they release new software and services as well. For example: iChat, Rendezvous networking, Exposé, Spotlight, Dashboard/widgets, Automator...the list goes on and on. I don't see Windows handing stuff out like that with their free service pack releases...so not much of a comparison.

Can you run OS X 10.0 and still get all of the updates that they've released? It's a genuine question, I really don't know the answer. If you can install all of the fixed without paying for the minor updates Apple releases then I don't see a problem. And MS does include extra crap in their service packs, it's actually more of a problem than a feature IMO.

OS X = UNIX with a nice shell.

To a certain extent, yes. But they've moved enough stuff around that it's not really like any other unix out there. And that NetInfo crap they pulled over with NeXT is annoying as hell.

I made no mention of "network applications" for Macs. Again, you have a problem with blowing things out of proportion.

It's called a strawman.

No idea, I've only been playing around with OS X for a few months. You're right, OS X isn't really like any other Unix out there. I love having it on my desktop, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to pull Linux off my server anytime soon ;)

As far as the strawman goes, yeah, but my point was that generally OS X machines are better for consumers. Or at least have the potential to be, now that you can get the standard Office apps and whatnot. I've slowly been switching my family/extended family over and it has really cut down on my tech support time with them lol.
 

Nothinman

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As far as the strawman goes, yeah, but my point was that generally OS X machines are better for consumers.

I wouldn't even go that far, a lot of consumers want to be able to play any game released for Windows or be able to walk into CompUSA and buy anything off the shelf and know it'll work in Windows. Yes, there are different levels of 'work', if you grab random off-brand hardware off of the shelf it may have Windows drivers but it's a crap shoot as to whether it's worth the money or not.

But given the choice between a platform that gives you choices of a few good things and a lot of crap things and one that only gives you a few good things, most people will just choose whichever is cheaper. =)

Or at least have the potential to be, now that you can get the standard Office apps and whatnot. I've slowly been switching my family/extended family over and it has really cut down on my tech support time with them lol.

As long as that's all they want to run you'll be fine.
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
As far as the strawman goes, yeah, but my point was that generally OS X machines are better for consumers.

I wouldn't even go that far, a lot of consumers want to be able to play any game released for Windows or be able to walk into CompUSA and buy anything off the shelf and know it'll work in Windows. Yes, there are different levels of 'work', if you grab random off-brand hardware off of the shelf it may have Windows drivers but it's a crap shoot as to whether it's worth the money or not.

But given the choice between a platform that gives you choices of a few good things and a lot of crap things and one that only gives you a few good things, most people will just choose whichever is cheaper. =)

Or at least have the potential to be, now that you can get the standard Office apps and whatnot. I've slowly been switching my family/extended family over and it has really cut down on my tech support time with them lol.

As long as that's all they want to run you'll be fine.

Yeah, my thoughts on the Mac/Windows thing goes along with the general saying in the Mac community - PC for gaming, Mac for everything else. What I meant by consumers is non-gamers, non-server type of users. Like your parents and grandparents. - the people who just want a computer to do stuff like email, surf the net, and do word processing. I've found a match for all 50+ software apps I use with the exception of one or two (I hope virtualization gets official on the Intel Mac platform soon!). But such is not the case for everyone, and you're definately right, most people will choose the cheaper one. Their loss :D
 

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I don't have a mac but the only time I have used one recently (since oregon trail era) it was incredibly easy. Windows wouldn't recognize/format a hard drive I pulled out of an MP3 player but the mac did instantly and formatted it so I could get it to work on the windows machine. I have seen mac fanboys and I hate them but I don't think Kaido is being one. Shove it, spikespeigal, you are an ass.
 

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:) Well after all that said and hopefully done, I think Bill is smiling more now since the dreaded Windows is part of the Apple core.
Boot Camp

I guess we can all get along. My Linux professor is really having a bad hair day. She really hates Windows. And now, Apple did what?:disgust: