So I guess that makes you the typical young, uninformed, opinionated left wing liberal who is susceptible to extremist ideologies, and in general is out of touch with reality?
So I guess that makes you the typical young, uninformed, opinionated left wing liberal who is susceptible to extremist ideologies, and in general is out of touch with reality?
Read your posts in bold. There are PLENTY of smart people that are vegetarian, FAR, FAR smarter than you I'm sure. How can you imply that they are all idiots. Thats an idiotic statement.
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Wait are you actually suggesting that Evolving is relative to Meat eating? So, we would be "de-evolving" by becoming vegetarian? This is a very interesting argument. Can you expand upon this?
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Sure, look it up. There has been plenty written about this. Keep in mind that vegetarians are an extremely misguided, vocal bunch, and they've written all kinds of scientifically inaccurate junk on the subject. Vegetarians are like UFO fanatics and conspiracy theorists- they share the same kind of emotional, illogical drive that hears no reason.
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Originally posted by: jbaggins
Wait are you actually suggesting that Evolving is relative to Meat eating? So, we would be "de-evolving" by becoming vegetarian? This is a very interesting argument. Can you expand upon this?
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Sure, look it up. There has been plenty written about this. Keep in mind that vegetarians are an extremely misguided, vocal bunch, and they've written all kinds of scientifically inaccurate junk on the subject. Vegetarians are like UFO fanatics and conspiracy theorists- they share the same kind of emotional, illogical drive that hears no reason.
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wow, you seem to be immune to logic. Since we're OMNIVORES, we're suited to digest both meat and fiber. If we evolved to eat fiber only, we'd have stomach suited to digest fiber (like cows). If we were to eat meat only, we'd have spacialized digestion system for that.
oogabooga
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I have considered becomming vegetarian. First off : It is possible to live a healthy life style, in fact on average vegetarians live a much healthier life style to do the higher infusion of vegetables and fruit over meat (and oddly bread products). I took a nutrition class, so i'm not expert, just read up on a few things : but a diet with meat isn't less healthy persay. It's all about choices, and it's possible now to eat and maintain healthy balance and nutrition without meat. Their are healthy non vegetarians, and there are unhealthy vegetarians... It also depends to what extent you are 'vegetarian'. I wouldn't be vegan or anything like that. Probally most likely just cut out the red meat in my diet. I haven't givven it that much thought though.
I just enjoy meat to much to let it go
I just enjoy meat to much to let it go
Okay lets say you've convinced me on the biological aspect.
The biological aspect was one point that you brought up.
What about the moral aspect that I brought up?
The biological aspect was one point that you brought up.
What about the moral aspect that I brought up?
It's often used by someone who can't use their wits to present a lucid argument.
But you did. Right off the bat too. Way to go...
(meaningless drivel removed)
Huh? The difference from what? Differences require 2 objects to compare. Please come back when you can present a complete thought.
Still a little sore are we? Hmm... Vegetarian and anti-Bush. Maybe you'd be more at home over in P&N. And it's funny that "individuality" is only defined as those thinking just like you. Just makes you go "huh?"
Only when "advancements" means your obvious leftist agendas.
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The biological aspect exists in fact. He brought it up and proved it, factually.
The moral aspect exists in your head. It is a subjective matter and cannot be proven. I don't feel sorry for the things I eat.
I'm smart enough to be able to realize what I'm doing when I eat meat and come to grips with it. You seem to be just smart enough to realize what you're eating, but not smart enough to come to grips with it, so you want to radically change your diet by not eating meat.
It reminds me of a kid who wants to stop a fox from killing a rabbit. The kid has grown up enough to know what death is and doesn't want the fox to kill the rabbit. But the kid isn't yet smart enough to think about that extra step, that by denying the fox of his nutrition the kid just killed the fox.
Labgeek. I can put together a coherent argument. But unlike you, who posts once in 10 minutes and spell checks and grammer checks and so forth, I am posting to about 10 people at one time. Get real, and realize this is the internet. As long as its reasonably coherent, the sh*t flies.
I'm not lefty, and you can't call me anti-bush. Our troops our dying everyday in this so-called war, with no evidence of wmd. anyways, don't get me started. thats another topic for P&N. point was that this mentality is representative of the same mentality that people had when they re-elected the man. They have stopped to think.
I'm not lefty, and you can't call me anti-bush. Our troops our dying everyday in this so-called war, with no evidence of wmd. anyways, don't get me started. thats another topic for P&N. point was that this mentality is representative of the same mentality that people had when they re-elected the man. They have stopped to think.
Lets assume the answer is no. Are you going to stop eating vegetables, as they too were once living?
Its not a question of coming to grips with it. I AM. Like an old smoker though, it takes time. Like I said, I have drastically cut down my meat intake this past month. I have gone to hosting beef burger cook offs to quitting beef 7 years ago. Have not touched it to this day. That takes discipline, especially in the face of 99 cent whoppers. I won't say I don't miss it. its hard. I eat chicken once a week now, as opposed to every day or every other day. I AM COMING TO GRIPS with it.
"They remind me of the typical, uneducated American response. The reason half the world laughs at us. The reason so many people in this country can't tell the difference that Africa is a continent. The reason we still have Bush, these responses typify (sp?) exactly why MOST Americans do not like to think and have individuality."
Yes, in that statement i only mentioned living. But please read the other posts. Thats been brought up before. Animals are not plants. Plants do not have feelings or emotions. I've never seen a plant cry, or be sad, or happy, or nuture, or be sympathetic. I've seen this in animals.
dude, how's that lefty? that could have easily come from a conservative as much as a lefty. i'm lefty on somethings, i'm conservative on some things. i'm 'normal' i don't want to be labeled as either way.
Had McCain run instead of Bush, I would have voted republican. But dumbo ran instead. I don't tow either party line.
Had McCain run instead of Bush, I would have voted republican. But dumbo ran instead. I don't tow either party line.
Then please do. It would be a nice change of pace.
Actually I hadn't used a spell checker or a grammAr checker, but I did learn to write reasonable well. And I do consider what I'm saying before I post it for others to read. Quality beats quantity any day.
From the sounds of it son, I was probably using the internet before you were touching a keyboard.
You're the one who started making the political comments in a thread about being a vegetarian.
Maybe you should have thought of that BEFORE you starting bringing politics into it. You started it yourself. Nobody "got you started".
So if we could bread stupider and stupider animals until the point where they can't think at all you would be fine with eating them?
i've been an ovo-lacto vegetarian (i eat eggs and dairy products) all my life and i must say that none of these arguements have really come into play.
i was a vegetarian because my parents were - i lived in india for the first 13 years of my life - so this is a cultural / religious thing for them
the reason i'm still vegetarian has nothing to do:
- my religious beliefs (i'm not very religious, but i do believe that some higher power exist - i'm possibly agnostic. if anything, i'm a strict evolutionist)
- my morals (i don't think it's wrong to eat animals. all my friends except one are non-vegetarians and it doesn't bother me when they eat meat. it doesn't bother me when i handle meat. i've cooked meat for my friends before.)
- the fact that animals are bred to be food (ok... this is just like farmers growing plants for food, there's no difference. like it or not, plants have a "life" too, one that people take away by harvesting them, i might add)
- my health (i'm like 50 pounds overweight, so it's not like being vegetarian keeps you healthy - only a proper meal plan and regular exercise and / or a nice metabolism does that)
- financial reasons (hell, it's cheaper to buy food with meat in it that it is to buy food without meat in it)
so pretty much the only reason i'm still vegetarian is because i'm resistant to change. i don't try to convert people to vegetarianism. if they want to, good for them. if they don't want to, good for them. i went to high school in east texas, and a lot of people tried to (jokingly or not) make me eat meat, but when i explained to them that the only reason i was still vegetarian was because i was resistant to change, they understood that. if it gets to a point where i will have to go out of my way to stay a vegetarian, i will start eating meat.
i was a vegetarian because my parents were - i lived in india for the first 13 years of my life - so this is a cultural / religious thing for them
the reason i'm still vegetarian has nothing to do:
- my religious beliefs (i'm not very religious, but i do believe that some higher power exist - i'm possibly agnostic. if anything, i'm a strict evolutionist)
- my morals (i don't think it's wrong to eat animals. all my friends except one are non-vegetarians and it doesn't bother me when they eat meat. it doesn't bother me when i handle meat. i've cooked meat for my friends before.)
- the fact that animals are bred to be food (ok... this is just like farmers growing plants for food, there's no difference. like it or not, plants have a "life" too, one that people take away by harvesting them, i might add)
- my health (i'm like 50 pounds overweight, so it's not like being vegetarian keeps you healthy - only a proper meal plan and regular exercise and / or a nice metabolism does that)
- financial reasons (hell, it's cheaper to buy food with meat in it that it is to buy food without meat in it)
so pretty much the only reason i'm still vegetarian is because i'm resistant to change. i don't try to convert people to vegetarianism. if they want to, good for them. if they don't want to, good for them. i went to high school in east texas, and a lot of people tried to (jokingly or not) make me eat meat, but when i explained to them that the only reason i was still vegetarian was because i was resistant to change, they understood that. if it gets to a point where i will have to go out of my way to stay a vegetarian, i will start eating meat.
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