Ever seen a business close due to being unable to find employees?

[PumpkinCake]

* writes typical abusive angry drunk post after downing a handle and beating ex-wife in his trailer * .. “Wow you guys are total losers har har!”

The OP likes this guy’s posts though, wonder if that’s how he speaks to his employees? But you know, he pays them for it so it’s cool.

edit: oh also, the OP has been “totally polite and mistreated” here and yet tacitly thinks that the angry abusive drunk vibe is an acceptable way to talk to people. @PumpkinCake the fake.

What are you talking about

 

[BoomerD]

I will be 54 in 2 weeks. What does my age have to do with what i said? I am fully aware of what accrued PTO is; It's based on X PTO for Y time, which if you actually read what I posted, you would see that I am fully aware of what acrued PTO is. You didn't bother to respond to my question of how fair your 1.5 PTO per month is, you just fucking ignored it, along with the rest of what I said. In your case, you accrue it in one of the most unfair, shitty ways possible, with no way for ANYONE to earn more than 1.5 days per month, no matter how many hours, days, or weeks they work. You are the worst of the worse, shitties, cheapest, exploitive, abusive type of owner, and every time you post, you prove it more and more.

Did you even read what I said, and try to comprehend it? OR where you in such a hurry to prove once again you are a liar, and just ignored it? Why claim you would only have to pay out 1.5 days PTO if they are let go after 30 days, when you already told us you don't pay out unsused PTO? If you fire them, they don't get to use it, now do they? (kind of my point of saying I hope you aren't in CA) It seems, every time you post something, later down the road, you say something that is different than what you said before. That makes you a liar.

I told you to stop responding.. but no. you keep throwing another lie onto the pile, and confirm without a doubt what kind of an employer you are.

Dude...chill. Not every state requires un-used vacation pay to be paid on termination. CA is one of the few (looks like there are currently 20) that does.

PTO Payout Laws by State in 2025 | Paycor

The payout of PTO varies from state to state. Find the comprehensive details on the PTO payout laws here.

www.paycor.com

Also, in many states, an employee might not even earn any PTO after only 30 days on the job. Even in CA, PTO is not mandated by the state, and restrictions like "no vacation, sick leave, or PTO qill be earned until 6 months after hire" is legal.

 

[PumpkinCake]

I will be 54 in 2 weeks. What does my age have to do with what i said? I am fully aware of what accrued PTO is; It's based on X PTO for Y time, which if you actually read what I posted, you would see that I am fully aware of what acrued PTO is. You didn't bother to respond to my question of how fair your 1.5 PTO per month is, you just fucking ignored it, along with the rest of what I said. In your case, you accrue it in one of the most unfair, shitty ways possible, with no way for ANYONE to earn more than 1.5 days per month, no matter how many hours, days, or weeks they work. You are the worst of the worse, shitties, cheapest, exploitive, abusive type of owner, and every time you post, you prove it more and more.

Did you even read what I said, and try to comprehend it? OR where you in such a hurry to prove once again you are a liar, and just ignored it? Why claim you would only have to pay out 1.5 days PTO if they are let go after 30 days, when you already told us you don't pay out unsused PTO? If you fire them, they don't get to use it, now do they? (kind of my point of saying I hope you aren't in CA) It seems, every time you post something, later down the road, you say something that is different than what you said before. That makes you a liar.

I told you to stop responding.. but no. you keep throwing another lie onto the pile, and confirm without a doubt what kind of an employer you are.

The fact of the matter is, PTO should be earned. You shouldn't be able to get a job, work for 3 days, quit, and expect them to pay out a full year of PTO.

In your utopia, we all work for 2 highly regulated companies. Wal-mart, Microsoft, that's it.

I'm honestly shocked that you're in your 50's and have these mindset towards small business/employers. Most are not evil villians with CEOs taking helicopters every day. Yes, there are megacorp CEOs that are (imo) overpaid, but the #1 employer in the US is small business. And most small business owners work harder and risk more than any of their employees.

What's funny to me, is the alt-left is pushing for all of this regulation and employee's rights, and it's going to result in small businesses going under.

If it were easy to run a business and employ people everyone would leave and start their own companies. Why do you think that isn't happening?

 

[NWRMidnight]

The fact of the matter is, PTO should be earned. You shouldn't be able to get a job, work for 3 days, quit, and expect them to pay out a full year of PTO.

In your utopia, we all work for 2 highly regulated companies. Wal-mart, Microsoft, that's it.

I'm honestly shocked that you're in your 50's and have these mindset towards small business/employers. Most are not evil villians with CEOs taking helicopters every day. Yes, there are megacorp CEOs that are (imo) overpaid, but the #1 employer in the US is small business. And most small business owners work harder and risk more than any of their employees.

What's funny to me, is the alt-left is pushing for all of this regulation and employee's rights, and it's going to result in small businesses going under.

If it were easy to run a business and employ people everyone would leave and start their own companies. Why do you think that isn't happening?

Who said PTO shouldn't be earned? Not me.. You are pulling shit out of your ass that was never imlied or said. Anyone who actually ownes/owned a business, and anyone who actually had real experience knows that nobody can work 3 days and quit, get ANY kind of benifit like PTO or anything..You would know this if you actually had any real experience in owning or running any business, as nearly every company in the country has a probationary period before any benefits go in to effect, which includes PTO, medical insurance, vacations, sick leave, etc... 30 to 90 days in most cases.. So now, with this bullshit post, and once again your avoidance of anwering anyone's questions, I question if you are even an owner or have EVER ran a business because you are throwing out pure bullshit lies. It's to the point you are starting to smell like a troll.

My mindset towards small businesses/employers is from DIRECT PERSONAL EXPERIENCE in both as either owner, or top administration. That's why I am calling you out on your shitty, abusive, position, your maniplation, and lies.. EVERY small business can survive paying good wages, treating their employees appropriatelly and not abuse them. IF they can't, they don't have qaulity product or services, a poor business model, and only survive by the blood of their emplyees (low wages, long hours, etc), and treating them like 3rd world slaves.

You don't answer questions, you keep pushing and recylcing the same bullshit narrative, repeating the dame lies over and over.. It's like you don't see, or comprehend what you are being told by me, as well many other's in this thread.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Dude...chill. Not every state requires un-used vacation pay to be paid on termination. CA is one of the few (looks like there are currently 20) that does.

PTO Payout Laws by State in 2025 | Paycor

The payout of PTO varies from state to state. Find the comprehensive details on the PTO payout laws here.

www.paycor.com

Also, in many states, an employee might not even earn any PTO after only 30 days on the job. Even in CA, PTO is not mandated by the state, and restrictions like "no vacation, sick leave, or PTO qill be earned until 6 months after hire" is legal.

Why should I chill?

I never said every state did.. Please go back and read/re-read the converations, so you can catch up, or check how you comprehended what was said. I am calling PumpkinCake out on his continious manipulation, lies, refusal to answer questions, and being a proven shitty employer by his own words, It all appllies to his rycycled and constantly changing details, claims, etc and what he said about his own company, or made up company, as some of the statements/claims is making it questionable. Heck, he doesn't even know the basic details and reqirement of PTO and leave that he claims he created for his own company. He created it, but doesn't know them? What does that tell you?

Nobody said PTO is mandated.. Your example in PA applies to the probationary period, which their probationary periods is 6 months (6 months is not the norm BTW). You just proved my point I made to Pumpkin Cake above. Even though you somehow believe it counters what I said.. it doesn't.. It does show that PumpkinCake is full of shit, and pushing falsehoods, as though he thinks nobody here knows anything about business, or owning a business. So he pushes his bullshit as truth, when it's not. So thanks!

 

[DrDoug]

Bryce:

It’s just another variation on the no one wants to work but people in jobs the OP feels are beneath him should expect to be paid very little and not complain about it because business owners need to pay below living wages to make money thread.

Thank you for letting me know that I would have been wasting my time on Punkin's not so fine whine. This is all an exercise in mental masturbation until Punkin spits out some real numbers. Punkin states that his business is in a professional/licensed field that requires a bachelors and most have a masters. That sounds odd to me.

Let's see some numbers or this whole thread is nothing but one huge wank.

 

[brycejones]

Just a reminder to the OP. This is the guy they think is the "best for the country"

 

[Brainonska511]

Just a reminder to the OP. This is the guy they think is the "best for the country"

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Anakin/Padme meme

"Why can't these generals be more like those guys from WW2?"

"Like Eisenhower and Montgomery?"

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Who said PTO shouldn't be earned? Not me.. You are pulling shit out of your ass that was never imlied or said. Anyone who actually ownes/owned a business, and anyone who actually had real experience knows that nobody can work 3 days and quit, get ANY kind of benifit like PTO or anything..You would know this if you actually had any real experience in owning or running any business, as nearly every company in the country has a probationary period before any benefits go in to effect, which includes PTO, medical insurance, vacations, sick leave, etc... 30 to 90 days in most cases.. So now, with this bullshit post, and once again your avoidance of anwering anyone's questions, I question if you are even an owner or have EVER ran a business because you are throwing out pure bullshit lies. It's to the point you are starting to smell like a troll.

My mindset towards small businesses/employers is from DIRECT PERSONAL EXPERIENCE in both as either owner, or top administration. That's why I am calling you out on your shitty, abusive, position, your maniplation, and lies.. EVERY small business can survive paying good wages, treating their employees appropriatelly and not abuse them. IF they can't, they don't have qaulity product or services, a poor business model, and only survive by the blood of their emplyees (low wages, long hours, etc), and treating them like 3rd world slaves.

You don't answer questions, you keep pushing and recylcing the same bullshit narrative, repeating the dame lies over and over.. It's like you don't see, or comprehend what you are being told by me, as well many other's in this thread.

Honestly I think the odds are higher the op is a neet than a business owner.

 

[nakedfrog]

The fact of the matter is, PTO should be earned. You shouldn't be able to get a job, work for 3 days, quit, and expect them to pay out a full year of PTO.

In your utopia, we all work for 2 highly regulated companies. Wal-mart, Microsoft, that's it.

I'm honestly shocked that you're in your 50's and have these mindset towards small business/employers. Most are not evil villians with CEOs taking helicopters every day. Yes, there are megacorp CEOs that are (imo) overpaid, but the #1 employer in the US is small business. And most small business owners work harder and risk more than any of their employees.

What's funny to me, is the alt-left is pushing for all of this regulation and employee's rights, and it's going to result in small businesses going under.

If it were easy to run a business and employ people everyone would leave and start their own companies. Why do you think that isn't happening?

Ah, the enlightened centrist at it again.

 

[Zorba]

In my experience as an employer young people didn't want a job, they wanted a paycheck. I had exactly one who was serious about the job, he started his own business this year, after working for me for 6 years.

I'm almost 40, have one the top titles an engineer can get at my company, and I work because I want a paycheck. In my experience leading engineers, fresh grads are generally more eager to work than older engineers.

 

[JD50]

Ah, the enlightened centrist at it again.

Yea this dude gives himself away in almost every post he makes.

 

[MrSquished]

Ah, the enlightened centrist at it again.

What's the difference between the left and alt-left? I honestly haven't a clue.

 

[fskimospy]

Yea this dude gives himself away in almost every he makes.

I mean early on he said he was going to vote for Trump again - you know, the guy who attempted to end American democracy last time he was in office.

If you're supporting the guy who tried a coup then there's nothing moderate about you.

 

[brycejones]

What's the difference between the left and alt-left? I honestly haven't a clue.

the left wants to destroy private property and take all your guns
The alt-left wants to eat babies, kill all the white people, and make everyone gay married.

 

[MrSquished]

the left wants to destroy private property and take all your guns
The alt-left wants to eat babies, kill all the white people, and make everyone gay married.

interesting.

what if I'm both!!!!!

 

[K1052]

I mean early on he said he was going to vote for Trump again - you know, the guy who attempted to end American democracy last time he was in office.

If you're supporting the guy who tried a coup then there's nothing moderate about you.

I am a socially liberal centrist who will vote for the guy who wants to build concentration camps and is definitely not joking.

For the third time.

 

[fskimospy]

I am a socially liberal centrist who will vote for the guy who wants to build concentration camps and is definitely not joking.

For the third time.

As a socially liberal centrist I too must vote for the person who has drawn up a list of political enemies to prosecute and who intends to use the army against any protests of his rule:

Donald Trump and his allies have begun mapping out specific plans for using the federal government to punish critics and opponents should he win a second term, with the former president naming individuals he wants to investigate or prosecute and his associates drafting plans to potentially invoke the Insurrection Act on his first day in office to allow him to deploy the military against civil demonstrations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/05/trump-revenge-second-term/

@PumpkinCake - this seems very bad. Does Trump's plan to prosecute his political enemies and crush any dissent with military power after trying a coup in 2021 give you second thoughts about returning him to office?

 

[MrSquished]

These people are delusional. In a Giants football group I'm in, race gets brought up sometimes. I've seen many post something racist, and of course they turn out to be Trumpies, and they all say the same thing - Trump is the least racist president, he hired blacks! They literally mention Amerosa, sp. They say he has done far more for african-americans than any democrat by far! He is all about unity and lifting up black people. It's literally completely insane. They are all Nazis at this point, just waiting for their version of Hitler to get into power so they can let loose.

 

[JD50]

I mean early on he said he was going to vote for Trump again - you know, the guy who attempted to end American democracy last time he was in office.

If you're supporting the guy who tried a coup then there's nothing moderate about you.

Yes and it's because liberals say mean things to him on the Internet, otherwise he'd totally vote for a Democrat.

 

[fskimospy]

Yes and it's because liberals say mean things to him on the Internet, otherwise he'd totally vote for a Democrat.

Look, he would LIKE to not vote for a mentally unstable criminal who tried to overthrow the government but the woke mob is just too mean.

Really, it's the Democrats to blame here.

 

[MrSquished]

I think he said he just has to vote against the completely criminal and corrupt Biden. That's a big reason he would be forced to vote Trump.

what a do gooder!

 

[Greenman]

I'm almost 40, have one the top titles an engineer can get at my company, and I work because I want a paycheck. In my experience leading engineers, fresh grads are generally more eager to work than older engineers.

We all work because we want a pay check.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

We all work because we want a pay check.

Yeah that’s a big portion. We also want some kind of learning & development also the be rewarded and this could be a nicely crafted “thank you” for doing something well or extra.
Shocking how many businesses miss those points. They don’t cost all that much to do. Majority of the cost is effort.

 

[BoomerD]

Shamelessly stolen from the pics thread…

https://imgur.com/JwbRnqZ