Ever seen a business close due to being unable to find employees?

[MrSquished]

Four day thirty two hour workweeks should be the standard. minimum 3 paid weeks vacation plus sick days. maternity and paternity leave.

 

[nOOky]

That will only make someone work just hard enough to not get fired, you know?
I don't see anything wrong with taking less money and living more simply.

No, but it flies in the face of the "work harder to make more money" theory lol.

 

[nOOky]

Four day thirty two hour workweeks should be the standard. minimum 3 paid weeks vacation plus sick days. maternity and paternity leave.

Only 3 weeks? I get 5 weeks and I'd be happy with more. Minnesota is implementing a new sick leave policy in 2024 that has a lot of employers up in arms. It basically mandates all employees get sick leave with pay.

 

[nakedfrog]

No, but it flies in the face of the "work harder to make more money" theory lol.

Hm, can you explain this theory to me? That's not how I understand things to work, the people who make the most money don't work hard, and the people who make the least money do.

 

[PumpkinCake]

it all comes out. It is his own business going down the tubes.


We all know the type. We all have worked for the type.


Ah capitalism. Culling the noncompetitive.


I wonder how Mr. PumpkinCake is going to enjoy working for the man after so many years? If we are lucky he will get to work for someone just like himself.

Actually 2023 will be my most profitable year to date. We met 2022 revenue numbers in august.

 

[PumpkinCake]

Four day thirty two hour workweeks should be the standard. minimum 3 paid weeks vacation plus sick days. maternity and paternity leave.

Minimum 3 days PTO I agree. I beat that by far. Same with mat and pat leave.


32 hour work week???? LOL sure and your base pay is AT LEAST 28% less

 

[brycejones]

Minimum 3 days PTO I agree. I beat that by far. Same with mat and pat leave.


32 hour work week???? LOL sure and your base pay is AT LEAST 28% less

You haven’t really kept up on the research have you?

 

[ivwshane]

You haven’t really kept up on the research have you?

The guy is all feels, its what allows him to feel like a centrist. It’s why I say most people who claim “both sides” are just intellectually lazy.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Minimum 3 days PTO I agree. I beat that by far. Same with mat and pat leave.


32 hour work week???? LOL sure and your base pay is AT LEAST 28% less

3days PTO or 3 weeks? (3 weeks is not nearly enough btw).

Let's ignore any research studies that indicate better productivity for shorter work weeks.

20% less work time. 28% less pay minimum according to you. You think you're going to attract people by paying them less than proportional in the most favorable conditions? GTFOH 😂

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Does anyone know any of these mythical 30s year old male “losers” living in their mom’s basement with no job?

I can think of 2 close friends and one relative in their 30s living at home.

One earns a six figure salary, and is saving up for a down payment for a house. Also helps his family with their family business on nights and weekends.

One is a software developer, saved up a bunch of money and decided to take time off to pursue his own projects. He helps his family with house repairs/rent and their medical issues.

Another works a trade where his company puts him up for 4-5 nights a week at remote locations, so he’s barely ever home. Should he buy a house so he can be in it one day a week?

All 3 seem like pretty solid use cases to me. I don’t know anybody that’s living at home just doing….nothing.

All that aside, I just don’t get the stigma. Moving out as soon as you can just for the hell of it is probably one of the dumbest financial decisions you can make. I regret doing that. I moved back with my parents (for less than a year) in my late 20s so I could build up a down payment. It made me realize how much money I had been throwing away on full priced rent.

Plus once you’re in your 30s or later, odds are your parents may start needing help at least with some things. So many other cultures multigenerational living is a norm and like anything else that saves money here it’s shameful or at the very least “weird”

-Forget other cultures, multigenerational living is the human norm for virtually all of our existence with typically small little blips of nuclear family life here or there.

And even then the kids might move out into a new little hut or cabin or house on the same piece of land, kids didn't move 1000's of miles away from their parents and grandparents.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Minimum 3 days PTO I agree. I beat that by far. Same with mat and pat leave.


32 hour work week???? LOL sure and your base pay is AT LEAST 28% less

So, you are the typical sleazy, dirtbag employer who claims to pay so much better, but in reality, you pay a salary based on 45 hours minimum work week, with strings attached with the intention and expectations of abusing them and their time. That 45 hours is a 10 hour day with 1 hour for lunch.

You have already admitted that you expect your employees to work late, and since the minimum hours expected to be paid their full base pay, is 45 hours per week, with the expectation of them staying late, that equates to expecting them to work 50 to 60 hours per week. You have pretty much just proved that all of your claims of paying so much better and much of your previous posts are the same typical lies made by all sleazy, shitty employers.

 

[Muse]

Well, many businesses didn't make it because they lacked adequate employees.

 

[Muse]

Honestly I cannot think of a working age person I know right now that is not employed. The grand strategy of raising interest rates to try and lower inflation and reduce employment still has not worked yet, it's crazy.

Inflation is lowering, but prices are not decreasing. That would be deflation, not good.

 

[Muse]

Well... this and conservatives also tend to look back fondly on good ol days that never existed.
For example, just ask any one of them and they'll swear up and down that crime rates used to be lower in the 80s and 90s.

This has been a problem for as long as I can remember. MAGA couldn't exist without those people. It's BS. I've always hated references to "the good old days." In most contexts that's stupid and wrong.

 

[Muse]

Yeah if we aren’t going to have landlords then how exactly are people who can’t afford to buy a house going to afford to live in one?

Saw a stat yesterday most Americans rent their whole lives.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Saw a stat yesterday most Americans rent their whole lives.

My small town is something like 70% rentals 😢

 

[Muse]

GOP does tons of stupid tax policy shit that harms the average american citizen. And so do dem politicians. They're both corrupt as shit, don't care about us at all, and love doing things that result in a near perfect 50/50 split amongst the population.

You're bothsidesing egregiously. Inexcusable.

 

[fskimospy]

You're bothsidesing egregiously. Inexcusable.

Yes, I would love to hear what Democratic tax policy is hurting the average American, specifically.

People always think the #bothsides position is the enlightened, thoughtful one, but it's really just laziness.

 

[Muse]

Yes, I would love to hear what Democratic tax policy is hurting the average American, specifically.

People always think the #bothsides position is the enlightened, thoughtful one, but it's really just laziness.

And an excuse to not pay attention to what's happening. Being informed takes work. But "laziness" covers that. In reality people are largely self-interested, don't GAS about anyone else. Well, the great majority.

 

[PumpkinCake]

So, you are the typical sleazy, dirtbag employer who claims to pay so much better, but in reality, you pay a salary based on 45 hours minimum work week, with strings attached with the intention and expectations of abusing them and their time. That 45 hours is a 10 hour day with 1 hour for lunch.

You have already admitted that you expect your employees to work late, and since the minimum hours expected to be paid their full base pay, is 45 hours per week, with the expectation of them staying late, that equates to expecting them to work 50 to 60 hours per week. You have pretty much just proved that all of your claims of paying so much better and much of your previous posts are the same typical lies made by all sleazy, shitty employers.

I expect bare minimum 40 hours a week. The occasional couple days a month 45-47 hour week. And if needed, 1 maybe 2 days a year of 50+ hour weeks during some major crunch.

In 2023 I think I've seen one timesheet that was over 55 hours this year. Most are 42-43. I have a couple top performers who regularly push high 40's. Their total bonus for 2022, was around 40% of their yearly salary.

Also, we don't pay out unused PTO. Everyone is encouraged to use all of their PTO. Or, they lose it.

 

[PumpkinCake]

3days PTO or 3 weeks? (3 weeks is not nearly enough btw).

Let's ignore any research studies that indicate better productivity for shorter work weeks.

20% less work time. 28% less pay minimum according to you. You think you're going to attract people by paying them less than proportional in the most favorable conditions? GTFOH 😂

I give 18 days of PTO for year 1-3 of tenure. We also give, 3 maybe 4 personal days. PTO requires some notice, I think 10 days. Personal days require no notice.

I came up with this before covid and WFH. Brutally honest, it's too much. Post WFH no one takes random days off ever. If I could do it without looking like an asshole I would reduce it to 10 days PTO for year 1-3. 15 days year 4-10. Pre-covid, parents are in town etc, people took PTO. Now they "WFH"

 

[Fenixgoon]

I give 18 days of PTO for year 1-3 of tenure. We also give, 3 maybe 4 personal days. PTO requires some notice, I think 10 days. Personal days require no notice.

I came up with this before covid and WFH. Brutally honest, it's too much. Post WFH no one takes random days off ever. If I could do it without looking like an asshole I would reduce it to 10 days PTO for year 1-3. 15 days year 4-10. Pre-covid, parents are in town etc, people took PTO. Now they "WFH"

so to recap, you've had one of your most successful years, your employees work from home, and they don't take PTO.

so where are these lazy employees? if they weren't productive, you wouldn't be successful.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Yes, I would love to hear what Democratic tax policy is hurting the average American, specifically.

People always think the #bothsides position is the enlightened, thoughtful one, but it's really just laziness.

- Not to go all Moonbeam on everyone, but #bothsides can also be a symptom of upbringing, where someone is raised conservative but isn't an unempathetic dummy and intellectually aligns with liberalism more.

My wife is very much like this, raised quite conservative thanks to her dad being a business owner in a turbo liberal area.

She will have this long liberal diatribe about something shitty Republicans did or are doing but cannot finish the sentence without some sort of "but it's not like Democrats are any better". I've stopped pressing for details cause it's basically a guaranteed pointless fight.

Dems/"The Left" definitely have some major issues, but they're a different kind of shitty for sure.

 

[NWRMidnight]

I expect bare minimum 40 hours a week. The occasional couple days a month 45-47 hour week. And if needed, 1 maybe 2 days a year of 50+ hour weeks during some major crunch.

In 2023 I think I've seen one timesheet that was over 55 hours this year. Most are 42-43. I have a couple top performers who regularly push high 40's. Their total bonus for 2022, was around 40% of their yearly salary.

Also, we don't pay out unused PTO. Everyone is encouraged to use all of their PTO. Or, they lose it.

I see that you are going to double down and keep lying. it's either you are lying your ass off, have a poor memory, and/or you can't do math.

If you expect the bare minimum of 40 hours a week, where the fuck did you get a reduction of 28% of pay for the suggested 32 hour/4 day work week? The math shows otherwise, 40 hours a week, minues 8 hours is 20%. So, you either expect 45 hours a week from your employees now, or you have the belief if they went to a 32 hour work week, they should be paid even less per hour, for more productivity. So either you are a liar, or a shitty, cheap, dirtbag employer.. which is it? (you don't need to answer, we already know you are both a liar and a cheap, dirtbag employer). See when you lie and can't do math, you out yourself. And now, you are claiming a couple days a month working late, and 1 to 2 times a year during crunch times bullshit, when you already admitted that your employees work late 3 to 4 times a month (expected), and 2 to 3 times a year during crunch times (expected), in your previous posts, which I already pointed out that the math doesn't add up. 3 to 4 times a month equals 36 to 48 times a year, not 2 to 3 times a year staying late for crunch times.. Crunch times btw is just an exuces shitty employers hide behind for their poor mananagment and planning skills who build their business around abusing their emplyees time.

You know what, you can forget math being an issue, you have proven you are just a fucking liar, who has outted himself as you keep chaning your story. See that's what happens to liars, they can't keep their stories straight, and get caught lying when they start giving different answers than their previuos asnwer. People who tell the truth, their answers never change, as they aren't pullling made up shit out of their asses, as they try to remember the pervious lie. The fact that you don't pay out unused PTO, shows just how shitty you are as an employer. And dont' give us the bullshit "we encourage them to use it, or lose it" line. You already said if a person doesn't stay late to take care of a customer that calls at closing time, will be fired on the spot. Which indicates you are also an employer who won't approve PTO on simular ground because they need to be there to take care of the customer. Many of us on this board, have at some point or another, worked for a sleazy, shitty employer like you in our lives, and reconize the bullshit coming from you.

If I where you, I would stop responding, because all you are doing is cementing the fact that you are a shiity, lying employer who can't keep his story straight.

edit: spellling is hard for me today! (I am sure there are more)

 

[NWRMidnight]

I give 18 days of PTO for year 1-3 of tenure. We also give, 3 maybe 4 personal days. PTO requires some notice, I think 10 days. Personal days require no notice.

I came up with this before covid and WFH. Brutally honest, it's too much. Post WFH no one takes random days off ever. If I could do it without looking like an asshole I would reduce it to 10 days PTO for year 1-3. 15 days year 4-10. Pre-covid, parents are in town etc, people took PTO. Now they "WFH"

I see you are just pulling more shit out of your ass, and/or you are outing yourself even more.. 18 days pto.. how the fuck did you come up with that number? PTO is generally based off of 5 day work weeks,.so it would be 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, or 30 days PTO. Some companies base it off of Sun thru Sat, full weeks (7 days per week), so it would be 7, 14, 21, or 28 days. Since you are using a 5 day work week for your reduction numbers.. I have a feeling the 18 PTO days was based off of 6 day work weeks. I find it amusing you throw out these arbitratry numbers saying "you think" this is what they are, and "you think" these are the guidelines on usage,. Yet you claimed YOU came up with these before COVID. If these are legitimate numbers and guidelines that YOU came up with, why don't you know them? (I suspect you dont know them, because you are pulling them out of your ass to make yourself sound good).

My question is; Why worry about looking like an asshole now? I can garantee every single one of your employees already knows that you are an asshole; so if/when you make that change, it will be expected.