Ever notice that people who don't vote because "they're both bad..."

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman


No, what I'm saying that you're too lazy and ignorant to realize that we live in a democracy where people have the opportunity to decide on their elected officials, economic policies, social issues, local issues, etc.

And how are you going to go to prison?

Again, you are the worse kind of American. A coward and a cry baby.

I'm a coward because I won't grovel?

The 'people' (what I call the 'horde') have chosen to vote themselves a completely ridiculous amount of resources from the government. You are promoting a system that is quickly heading towards collapse, and supposedly I'm the coward for taking the principled position of refusing to engage in log rolling and being thrown a small bone to shut up.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Dissipate

You realize the government hasn't fundamentally changed since World War II, right?

Voting itself is an act of cowardice. It is putting power in the hands of people who are willing to get their hands much dirtier than your own.

I hope that was your lame ass excuse for not voting. Nobody that freaking ignorant should vote. :roll:

I'm agreeing with Harvey. On Election Day no less. Hell must have frozen over!!!

BUAHAHAhahahaha!!! :laugh:

Charles Dudley Warner (who??? I had to look it up.) said, "Politics makes strange bedfellows."

Just don't hog all the pillow and blankets. :thumbsup:

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
So, you don't do anything instead? Do you protest, write/talk to your congressman, do anything?

I refuse to grovel or lick the boots of any politician. That's what they want you to do, beg them for a tax cut or some government program. They will surely cut you a deal here and there as they collect their fat six figure salaries and funnel billions of stolen tax loot into the military industrial complex, big corporations and banks.

Trying to change things through the political process is implying you are at the mercy of these jackbooted thugs in suits, and is also extremely time consuming and costly. It just ends in more government power.

I do a cost benefit analysis of how/when I will dissent. For instance, I am currently contesting a red light camera ticket, and I have decided to throw all future jury duty notices in the garbage.

This is one of the most useless pieces of drivel I've ever read on the internet, which, as we all know, places it high in the running for the most useless piece of drivel ever written. You type a whole bunch of words to explain your actions, but all I see is someone who thinks not voting and not paying traffic tickets makes him a rebel. Contrary to what you may think, the best "rebels" in history didn't make history through silence. "I have a dream... but I'm not telling you about it..." Doesn't work that way. You're a lazy, arrogant, holier-than-thou pissant who brags about his accomplishments of literally doing nothing in a self-righteous manner as though you're somehow saving the world through inaction. Good luck Scooter, but I think you'll find that your apathetic revolution will accomplish exactly as much as every other lazy person out there trying to justify their sloth through fancy words; fuck all.

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: johnjohn320
...can't actually explain a single damn major policy of either candidate to you? C'mon people, fess up: These are two extremely different candidates who have VERY different plans for the country. If you didn't bother to formulate an opinion and vote, it's because you're too damn stupid/lazy/self-absorbed.

Because out of all two "extremely different" viewpoints, there is no possible way to not like atleast both. Right... There are two flavors of ice cream that I do not like. Oh wait... unpossible.

Voting legitimizes the established political institutions, something that I take issue with. You support and continue the current political system by voting.

Voting doesn't recognize the lesser of two evils. Zealous supporter of a candidate, and lesser evil in vote form still mean the same thing.

By voting people make themselves, to some extent responsible for the actions of any and all candidates, not just the on YOU voted for. You are participating in a democracy and vote supports the entire institution of it.

Basically, no complaining if you voted. You chose a candidate, and perhaps you lost, fair play. Now prepare to be oppressed.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
:laugh: So, you do nothing and cry about the gov't sticking a pole up your arse. You're the worse kind of coward in this country. Too lazy to fight for what they believe in. Sad.

So you are implying that I am a coward because I'm not willing to do something that will give the thugs an excuse to throw me in prison? Gotcha. All I have to say is: you first. Maybe you can join the Browns.

You seem to be really adamantly opposed to the US government and the people who run it. Have you considered leaving the country?

Fighting does not necessarily involve actions that will get you thrown in jail. Have you considered running for office yourself? How about organizing other like-minded individuals and hitting the streets? Passing out fliers and pamphlets will not get you thrown in jail.

Oh, you aren't doing any of this? You're just crying on an internet forum? How rebellious of you! You're so hip, edgy and cool. Way to keep fighting the man, or not fighting him I guess, or something.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman


No, what I'm saying that you're too lazy and ignorant to realize that we live in a democracy where people have the opportunity to decide on their elected officials, economic policies, social issues, local issues, etc.

And how are you going to go to prison?

Again, you are the worse kind of American. A coward and a cry baby.

I'm a coward because I won't grovel?

The 'people' (what I call the 'horde') have chosen to vote themselves a completely ridiculous amount of resources from the government. You are promoting a system that is quickly heading towards collapse, and supposedly I'm the coward for taking the principled position of refusing to engage in log rolling and being thrown a small bone to shut up.

Which WOW server do you play on, and do your parents pay for it?

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: johnjohn320
...can't actually explain a single damn major policy of either candidate to you? C'mon people, fess up: These are two extremely different candidates who have VERY different plans for the country. If you didn't bother to formulate an opinion and vote, it's because you're too damn stupid/lazy/self-absorbed.

Because out of all two "extremely different" viewpoints, there is no possible way to not like atleast both. Right... There are two flavors of ice cream that I do not like. Oh wait... unpossible.

Voting legitimizes the established political institutions, something that I take issue with. You support and continue the current political system by voting.

False

Not voting does more to 'preserve and continue the current political system' than voting.

But hey, if you really dislike our political system, then you have two choices

1) Work within it to change it (by voting, running for office, supporting like-minded individuals)
2) Leaving the country

You'll notice that neither of these options include 'sit on the couch and don't do anything because that's totally rad and the real way to create change'

 

[CycloWizard]

If you can give me a tax table for either candidate, I'll admit that I'm a lazy, worthless bastard who is just too damn stupid/self-absorbed to vote. Until then, DIAF.

 

[counterstrikedude]

well i think it's a pretty reasonable reaction. u have option a who offers hope and change, and option b who offers more of the same.

both are pretty sucky choices and offer little or no improvement, yet you must choose one.

i rather not go with the lesser of two evils, but that seems to be the case nowadays. im more concerned about the partisan people who honestly believe their candidate is running to improve our nation. that's just plain ol' ignorance.

i respect the indifference - the realism, the honesty - it's admirable.

 

[db]

Even in the worst case, this is what you do:

Vote for the least worst candidate.

There's never a good reason for not voting. It's a responsibility we as citizens have. There are lots of issues on our ballots that need our decisions.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman


No, what I'm saying that you're too lazy and ignorant to realize that we live in a democracy where people have the opportunity to decide on their elected officials, economic policies, social issues, local issues, etc.

And how are you going to go to prison?

Again, you are the worse kind of American. A coward and a cry baby.

I'm a coward because I won't grovel?

The 'people' (what I call the 'horde') have chosen to vote themselves a completely ridiculous amount of resources from the government. You are promoting a system that is quickly heading towards collapse, and supposedly I'm the coward for taking the principled position of refusing to engage in log rolling and being thrown a small bone to shut up.

Wow. You don't believe in democracy? You really can't be this ignorant. You're lazy face it. You don't want to change the system by getting involved b/c then you wouldn't have someone to blame for your lot in life.

If more people thought like you, we'd still be a British colony.

 

[SleepWalkerX]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

False

Not voting does more to 'preserve and continue the current political system' than voting.

But hey, if you really dislike our political system, then you have two choices

1) Work within it to change it (by voting, running for office, supporting like-minded individuals)
2) Leaving the country

You'll notice that neither of these options include 'sit on the couch and don't do anything because that's totally rad and the real way to create change'

Wrong. By voting you imply consent to the whole system. You acknowledge that the little voice you have means nothing once the other party's candidate wins because you've had your say and it has been illegitamized and overridden.

Working within the system has NEVER worked. Thatcher could NOT shrink the size of government no matter how hard she tried and Ron Paul will never be elected to the Office because the majority benefit from the establishment while the minority suffer. Working outside the system DOES! This is how blacks received the right to vote, how women received the right to vote, how the United States declared its right to self governance, how Gandhi lead the amount of people he did, etc, etc.

Leaving the country doesn't work because its simply running away from the problem. The violent and chaotic world will invade any area that has not already been claimed by the State. Its time for a paradigm shift. That's the only way we'll truly change into something better and not continue to plunder one another.

 

[SleepWalkerX]

Originally posted by: db
Even in the worst case, this is what you do:

Vote for the least worst candidate.

There's never a good reason for not voting. It's a responsibility we as citizens have. There are lots of issues on our ballots that need our decisions.

What if the least worst candidate still provides detrimental change?

 

[SSSnail]

I can tell you with certainty that it doesn't matter who the fack you vote for, your life won't change one damn iota, except that you may get to pay more taxes and get shits out of it. Spare me this fake ass spur of the moment patriotism and enthusiasm. Tomorrow most of the idiots that voted will go back to be the hand outs receiving sloths that they were, nothing will change.

Go ahead, prove me wrong.

Edit: http://www.americanthinker.com...rs_message_in_the.html

 

[SleepWalkerX]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman


No, what I'm saying that you're too lazy and ignorant to realize that we live in a democracy where people have the opportunity to decide on their elected officials, economic policies, social issues, local issues, etc.

And how are you going to go to prison?

Again, you are the worse kind of American. A coward and a cry baby.

I'm a coward because I won't grovel?

The 'people' (what I call the 'horde') have chosen to vote themselves a completely ridiculous amount of resources from the government. You are promoting a system that is quickly heading towards collapse, and supposedly I'm the coward for taking the principled position of refusing to engage in log rolling and being thrown a small bone to shut up.

Wow. You don't believe in democracy? You really can't be this ignorant. You're lazy face it. You don't want to change the system by getting involved b/c then you wouldn't have someone to blame for your lot in life.

If more people thought like you, we'd still be a British colony.

The lazy people will vote anyway, even if it violates their ethical principles. All they want is their side to win because otherwise if the other side wins, they might lose through taxation and whatever.

Democracy is evil. It simply justifies the majority doing whatever they please because they have more numbers.

I don't know about your life, but I'm living a free life! I can happily say that I haven't justified stealing from another person (taxation, wealth redistribution), murdering innocent individuals (war), etc. By not participating in your system, I'm happy to say I've contributed more positively to society than you have.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
I can tell you with certainty that it doesn't matter who the fack you vote for, your life won't change one damn iota, except that you may get to pay more taxes and get shits out of it. Spare me this fake ass spur of the moment patriotism and enthusiasm. Tomorrow most of the idiots that voted will go back to be the hand outs receiving sloths that they were, nothing will change.

Go ahead, prove me wrong.

Edit: http://www.americanthinker.com...rs_message_in_the.html

Pay more/less in taxes doesn't effect anyone? Elimination/addition of services, changes in the capital gain tax, changes in social issues(abortion/gay marriage/etc) have an effect on many people.

In conclusion, it sure does matter who you vote for.

 

[OutHouse]

voting for a Tax ballot issue that does not effect you is plain stealing and is taxation without representation.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman


No, what I'm saying that you're too lazy and ignorant to realize that we live in a democracy where people have the opportunity to decide on their elected officials, economic policies, social issues, local issues, etc.

And how are you going to go to prison?

Again, you are the worse kind of American. A coward and a cry baby.

I'm a coward because I won't grovel?

The 'people' (what I call the 'horde') have chosen to vote themselves a completely ridiculous amount of resources from the government. You are promoting a system that is quickly heading towards collapse, and supposedly I'm the coward for taking the principled position of refusing to engage in log rolling and being thrown a small bone to shut up.

Wow. You don't believe in democracy? You really can't be this ignorant. You're lazy face it. You don't want to change the system by getting involved b/c then you wouldn't have someone to blame for your lot in life.

If more people thought like you, we'd still be a British colony.

The lazy people will vote anyway, even if it violates their ethical principles. All they want is their side to win because otherwise if the other side wins, they might lose through taxation and whatever.

Democracy is evil. It simply justifies the majority doing whatever they please because they have more numbers.

I don't know about your life, but I'm living a free life! I can happily say that I haven't justified stealing from another person (taxation, wealth redistribution), murdering innocent individuals (war), etc. By not participating in your system, I'm happy to say I've contributed more positively to society than you have.

How have you contributed more positively to society than I have? Are you a doctor? Do you volunteer? Contribute to charities?

Dissipate says he doesn't vote, so what are you talking about?

Why are you in the US if you don't believe in Democracy? What country are you planning on moving to? Are you currently not paying taxes? B/c if you are paying taxes, you're supporting the war and the murdering of innocents, stealing from others(wealth distribution), etc. By not voting, not participating in the democratic process you're accepting whatever is being done to you. So, quit crying.

 

[SSSnail]

Promises promises promises. Let's say some tax policies affect a less percentage of people than the majority have voted for, fair? So let's say you belong to the minority that doesn't want changes in your taxation, and you voted, nothing will change because you're beaten out by the majority, and you will lose more of your money regardless. That is just one example.

Everything else are just promises, and nobody know who can accomplish what, lips service is what you're sold. All other issues? States. Have nothing to do with who's on top.

 

[summit]

my vote doesn't even count. im in commiefornia.

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: johnjohn320
...can't actually explain a single damn major policy of either candidate to you? C'mon people, fess up: These are two extremely different candidates who have VERY different plans for the country. If you didn't bother to formulate an opinion and vote, it's because you're too damn stupid/lazy/self-absorbed.

Because out of all two "extremely different" viewpoints, there is no possible way to not like atleast both. Right... There are two flavors of ice cream that I do not like. Oh wait... unpossible.

Voting legitimizes the established political institutions, something that I take issue with. You support and continue the current political system by voting.

False

Not voting does more to 'preserve and continue the current political system' than voting.

But hey, if you really dislike our political system, then you have two choices

1) Work within it to change it (by voting, running for office, supporting like-minded individuals)
2) Leaving the country

You'll notice that neither of these options include 'sit on the couch and don't do anything because that's totally rad and the real way to create change'

I think I've explained it as best as I can.

I don't believe in the political system. By voting I represent myself as part of that system whether I am working for change or to maintain the status quo. You support the idea of the system itself. You support democracy by voting, as voting and the idea of majority is the a fundamental of democracy itself.

People who work within to change it are part of it just as much.

 

[pontifex]

Would you rather have someone go in and randomly vote or would you rather not have them vote all? serious question here - curious what others think on that

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman


No, what I'm saying that you're too lazy and ignorant to realize that we live in a democracy where people have the opportunity to decide on their elected officials, economic policies, social issues, local issues, etc.

And how are you going to go to prison?

Again, you are the worse kind of American. A coward and a cry baby.

I'm a coward because I won't grovel?

The 'people' (what I call the 'horde') have chosen to vote themselves a completely ridiculous amount of resources from the government. You are promoting a system that is quickly heading towards collapse, and supposedly I'm the coward for taking the principled position of refusing to engage in log rolling and being thrown a small bone to shut up.

Wow. You don't believe in democracy? You really can't be this ignorant. You're lazy face it. You don't want to change the system by getting involved b/c then you wouldn't have someone to blame for your lot in life.

If more people thought like you, we'd still be a British colony.

The lazy people will vote anyway, even if it violates their ethical principles. All they want is their side to win because otherwise if the other side wins, they might lose through taxation and whatever.

Democracy is evil. It simply justifies the majority doing whatever they please because they have more numbers.

I don't know about your life, but I'm living a free life! I can happily say that I haven't justified stealing from another person (taxation, wealth redistribution), murdering innocent individuals (war), etc. By not participating in your system, I'm happy to say I've contributed more positively to society than you have.

How have you contributed more positively to society than I have? Are you a doctor? Do you volunteer? Contribute to charities?

Dissipate says he doesn't vote, so what are you talking about?

Why are you in the US if you don't believe in Democracy? What country are you planning on moving to? Are you currently not paying taxes? B/c if you are paying taxes, you're supporting the war and the murdering of innocents, stealing from others(wealth distribution), etc. By not voting, not participating in the democratic process you're accepting whatever is being done to you. So, quit crying.

You basically just said, 'the only way one is allowed to change democracy is to be democratic'. Nice... I'm sure there's no contradiction involved there at all. One would not possible become the institution he or she is trying to change.

In a similar manner, the people who vote are responsible for the actions of the country and the policy espoused by the government. Hey you voted, and you supported democracy itself. Blowback, the economy, hey, it's all your fault. Accept it, you caused it by voting, you made it your responsibility.

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: pontifex
Would you rather have someone go in and randomly vote or would you rather not have them vote all? serious question here - curious what others think on that

If the current system is acceptable to them and the candidate truly represents the ideals that they believe in, I don't see why they shouldn't vote.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Voting is a right, and should be used. If you really do hate all candidates, at least try to find which one you hate less, and vote for that one. Do a bit of research and try to find something positive. No matter what, one of them will make it, so you may as well put your say in which one you rather have. "none" is not an answer, since no matter what, someone will make it. I'm speaking generally here, not just US/Federal elections. This goes for all elections.