Even more fat pigs in America!~

[SunnyD]

I blame lack of self control. Americans have forgotten what it is and everything has to be the fault of someone else. They(we) can't be held accountable for anything.

So them maybe socialism IS the way to go? Nanny-state handholding and even more importantly bread lines and rationing then?

I'm fine with people eating themselves to death. Just means more room in the world for me and my family. If mother nature isn't going to do it, we might as well do it ourselves.

 

[shortylickens]

So them maybe socialism IS the way to go? Nanny-state handholding and even more importantly bread lines and rationing then?

 

[Kirby]

So them maybe socialism IS the way to go? Nanny-state handholding and even more importantly bread lines and rationing then?

Have you had the burgers or fish and chips at Finnegan's Pub on South Parkway? Pretty awesome, especially for bar food.

 

[Balt]

We (and our children) are not "fat". The problem is that American society teaches a perception of body image that discriminates against those people who through no fault of their own happen to be physically larger than others. In addition to education and sensitivity training, what is needed are new standards for what is considered to be an attractive and healthy body image.

My sarcasm meter is having a difficult time with this post. :hmm:

 

[spidey07]

I find this the most interesting:

People are poor because of poor decisions. Do you actually think they would suddenly make good decisions about their diet and exercise?

 

[InflatableBuddha]

How is this a surprise?

The corn industry is heavily subsidized, so junk foods containing HFCS are cheap relative to healthier options such as fresh produce and whole grains.

People prioritize spending their money on consumer goods such as clothes, entertainment, electronics, etc, rather than on healthy food, sports equipment and gym passes. When people need to cut back on their budget, they will often choose to cut back on food spending, although this is probably one of the worst areas to neglect.

Now consider that most people are working longer hours and have brutal commutes (usually in their cars), which limits time and energy for exercise, shopping for good food, and cooking at home.

It's the perfect shitstorm for unhealthy eating and sedentary lifestyles. Widespread obesity is the result.

/also, cue theflyingpig for another tirade against fatties 🙄

 

[OutHouse]

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I find this the most interesting:

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Some 35 percent of adults earning less than $15,000 per year were obese against 24 percent of adults earning $50,000 or more per year.

that's because eating healthy is expensive. we bought stuff to make a fruit salad last weekend and it was 30 bucks for, grapes, bananas, apples, oranges, walnuts, kiwi's, strawberries and honeydew melon. it tasted wonderful and hit the spot. but i wont be making another one anytime soon.

 

[kotss]

We (and our children) are not "fat". The problem is that American society teaches a perception of body image that discriminates against those people who through no fault of their own happen to be physically larger than others. In addition to education and sensitivity training, what is needed are new standards for what is considered to be an attractive and healthy body image.

I am really hoping that Kadarin was just being sarcastic about being fat. How can an unhealthy body weight be a good image. We do not need to be stick thin, but being a wobbling glob of body fat is not a healthy body image either. Moderation in eating and responsibility for ones health is where it is at. I do not always like to exercise, but it is all too easy to start on the "I do not want to exercise today" train. Once you make exercise a habit, it does make it easier to get through on those not so wanting to days.

Obese is not good for the image or the body.

I do agree that stick thin is most often not a good body image.

 

[pakotlar]

Skinny pigs worldwide resent this thread title.

 

[Pantlegz]

I blame Pantlegz for this atrocity against our children. He's on the internet and kids spending all their time on the internet and xbox live is why they're so damned fat. I blame the internet and microsoft! Oh, and Pantlegz.

It is all my fault 🙁 sorry guys, I'm the reason everyone's so fat.

 

[Pantlegz]

I wonder how many people ages 12-30 can run 100 yards without getting out of breath in the USA. From what I see daily, it wouldn't be many.

Really people from other countries can sprint 100 yards and not be out of breath? That's crazy I wish I was from where ever that is.

 

[Modelworks]

Really people from other countries can sprint 100 yards and not be out of breath? That's crazy I wish I was from where ever that is.

Yes there are many countries where people can do that and the USA used to be one of them . 100 yards is 300 feet, 300 little feet that any healthy person should be able to complete in 5 minutes, its a walk almost . I bet many people can't though because they don't ever get above walking speed. They walk around the home. Walk to the car, walk to the elevator, etc. I hate to say it, but the future in WALL E is looking pretty realistic.

 

[her209]

Obamanation just passed a government health care bill. It is my fucking business.

LAWLZ. Yes, they didn't affect your life before HCR.

 

[OutHouse]

Yes there are many countries where people can do that and the USA used to be one of them . 100 yards is 300 feet, 300 little feet that any healthy person should be able to complete in 5 minutes, its a walk almost . I bet many people can't though because they don't ever get above walking speed. They walk around the home. Walk to the car, walk to the elevator, etc. I hate to say it, but the future in WALL E is looking pretty realistic.

funny, on a daily basis outside my office window i witness thousands of people walking way more than 300 feet and in less than 5 minutes and i don't see any of them out of breath.

keep your stupid generalization to yourself, well unless you love looking like a tard.

 

[Skitzer]

Notice the roll of paper towels ........ at least he's clean.
Man that burger looks good!

 

[Modelworks]

keep your stupid generalization to yourself, well unless you love looking like a tard.

When you make comments like this , it doesn't help get your point across. It makes you appear as someone who will resort to acting like a child when someones opinion differs from their own. Not saying you are a child, but you are acting child like.

 

[pakotlar]

So them maybe socialism IS the way to go? Nanny-state handholding and even more importantly bread lines and rationing then?

I'm fine with people eating themselves to death. Just means more room in the world for me and my family. If mother nature isn't going to do it, we might as well do it ourselves.

As plato wrote, pure democracy is the last step to tyranny, as it is essentially anarchy, and having no central authority, some men's natural instinct to domineer will find a select power-hungry/incontinent few in the helm of absolute power. There is such a thing as too much freedom, and this isn't only regarding individuals' lifestyle choices. Capitalism is a far bigger problem. As we've seen, we cannot trust free-markets to make safe or moral decisions. A completely open capitalist environment leads to an unnecessarily high mortality rate and massive insult to the planet (meaning capitalism is essentially a virus, as it kills its host). For example, by some estimates, the psychiatric industry alone has killed more people in the last 100 years than have died in all wars combined (after discounting intentional overdoses). Never mind insanely fast environmental destruction, and such a decrease in air quality in metropolitan zones, that some areas carry cancer rates nearly 400% higher than years ago.

However strong government carries its own set of problems. The problem with government oversight is two fold:

The first is that [so far] the well developed free-markets, or semi-free market variations are far more efficient than wholly government directed markets. It simply takes too many resources to load-balance resources to sustain optimal development. The 2nd is that the checks & balances population rises at an exponential rate relevant to the decision making population. It has to rise at least at the square of the bureaucratic populaiton (or (decisionpop - x)^2) because you have to have at least 2 people evaluating each decision made (assuming each decision maker is essentially operating at max capacity), since the first overseer could be incompetent or in collusion with the bureaucracy. You could use some pseudo-Feynman sum-over-histories for decisions with sufficient population of relevant histories, but essentially it is an exponential rise.

The last is the biggest problem preventing an immediate rush to strong government (socialist, autocratic, auto-aristocracy, whatever). The solution [to the difficulty of sufficient checks&balances] Plato laid out seems to me incredibly well thought out, but even if the ruler selection process was ideal. it is doubtful that many would feel comfortable with the restrictions that would be necessary to maintain societal harmony (sounds a lot like Orwellian dystopia actually), regardless of its wisdom. Also it seems to me that there is a question of how much societal evolution is possible in such a system. So we're back to this hodgepodge reality we currently live in.

If anyone read this I'd be amazed. There is no reward, just the spoon.

 

[Pantlegz]

Yes there are many countries where people can do that and the USA used to be one of them . 100 yards is 300 feet, 300 little feet that any healthy person should be able to complete in 5 minutes, its a walk almost . I bet many people can't though because they don't ever get above walking speed. They walk around the home. Walk to the car, walk to the elevator, etc. I hate to say it, but the future in WALL E is looking pretty realistic.

Walking and sprinting are two very different things, if you're really running you should be out of breath in 100 yards. If you're not out of breath you're not running fast enough. And if you can't walk 100 yards in less than a minute you're sadly out of shape and I feel very, very sorry for you.

 

[uOpt]

The survey also found that 84 percent of parents believe their children are at a healthy weight. Research shows nearly a third of children and teens -- more than 12 million -- are obese or overweight.

That isn't a real discrepancy. Parent who have many children are more likely to be poor and subsequently more likely to be overweight. So it's not 16% versus 33%, the two numbers are not compatible and don't indicate a discrepancy.

Most likely most parents of those 33% don't care in the first place 🙂

 

[Modelworks]

Walking and sprinting are two very different things, if you're really running you should be out of breath in 100 yards. If you're not out of breath you're not running fast enough. And if you can't walk 100 yards in less than a minute you're sadly out of shape and I feel very, very sorry for you.

I agree. I'm not talking about people running a sprint like in an event, but just a fast jog. Like someone running to get out of the rain. I thought of that example because I was at walmart when it was raining and people were running inside from the parking lot. There were literally people supporting themselves by leaning on the walls and each other from that little bit of running. Some of them were kids I'm guessing 12/13 years old. That is just sad.

 

[ChaoZ]

I blame butter.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Walking and sprinting are two very different things, if you're really running you should be out of breath in 100 yards. If you're not out of breath you're not running fast enough. And if you can't walk 100 yards in less than a minute you're sadly out of shape and I feel very, very sorry for you.

"run" doesn't necessarily imply "all out sprint" ....
If you are casually running at 2/3 your maximum speed ... you probably shouldn't be out of breath in 100 yards ....

That said, I would be out of breath running 50 yards .... fatness + smoking + never workout lower body = not so good of a runner

Get me in the water, and I can move quickly, and takes a lot more to get out of breath for me ...

 

[OutHouse]

When you make comments like this , it doesn't help get your point across. It makes you appear as someone who will resort to acting like a child when someones opinion differs from their own. Not saying you are a child, but you are acting child like.

lol whatever you say Skippy.

 

[InflatableBuddha]

As plato wrote, pure democracy is the last step to tyranny, as it is essentially anarchy, and having no central authority, some men's natural instinct to domineer will find a select power-hungry/incontinent few into the helm of absolute power. There is such a thing as too much freedom, and this isn't only regarding individuals' lifestyle choices. Capitalism is a far bigger problem. As we've seen, we cannot trust free-markets to make safe or moral decisions. A completely open capitalist environment leads to an unnecessarily high mortality rate and massive insult to the planet (meaning capitalism is essentially a virus, as it kills its host). For example, by some estimates, the psychiatric industry alone has killed more people in the last 100 years than have died in all wars combined (after discounting intentional overdoses). Never mind insanely fast environmental destruction, and such a decrease in air quality in metropolitan zones, that some areas carry cancer rates nearly 400% higher than years ago.

However strong government carries its own set of problems. The problem with government oversight is two fold:

The first is that [so far] the well developed free-markets, or semi-free market variations are far more efficient than wholly government directed markets. It simply takes too many resources to load-balance resources to sustain optimal development. The 2nd is that the checks & balances population rises at an exponential rate relevant to the decision making population. It has to rise at least at the square of the bureaucracy (or (bureaucracypop - x)^2) because you have to have at least 2 people evaluating each decision, since the first overseer could be incompetent or in collusion with the bureaucracy. You could use some pseudo-Feynman sum-over histories approach with regards to decisions, but essentially it is an exponential rise.

The last is the biggest problem preventing an immediate rush to strong government (socialist, autocratic, auto-aristocracy, whatever). The system Plato laid out seems to me incredibly well thought out, but even if the selection process of rulers and their lieutenants was ideal. it is doubtful that many would feel comfortable with the restrictions which would be necessary to maintain harmony (sounds a lot like Orwellian dystopia actually), regardless of its wisdom. So we're back to this hodgepodge reality we currently live in.

If anyone read this I'd be amazed and grateful.

An organized, coherent, intellectual post in Off Topic? 😱😀.

I agree with you that unrestrained capitalism causes many issues such as environmental destruction, but I'm not familiar enough with Plato to comment on his theories as an alternative.

Prepare to be flamed for insulting the modern American way of life though.

 

[Supersonic64]

Fat chicks are such an epic turn off. DO NOT WANT.