Even if you think you believe in Evolution, you probably don't...

[MJinZ]

Huh? Love and Hate are nothing like evolution at all, nor are they belief systems, they are emotions. There is no church of hate that I'm aware of, nor is there a holy book of hate.

Yes there, you just haven't been enlightened enough. Hippies and Nazis are a good start.

 

[Juddog]

Yes there, you just haven't been enlightened enough. Hippies and Nazis are a good start.

Wow lay off the drugs, son.

 

[MJinZ]

Wow lay off the drugs, son.

If you think a Church is necessary for a belief system, then you need to talk to Richard Dawkins and enlighten yourself.

 

[AstroManLuca]

OP are you a high school philosophy student?

 

[MJinZ]

OP are you a high school philosophy student?

No, I'm getting a Law and MBA degree.

 

[sandorski]

Agreed. Evolution isn't, and shouldn't be a belief system. It is a form of explaining.

People like Dawkins who take themselves and their work so seriously really ruin the concept of Science and empiricism because they make cases that can't really be made. Evolution is tenuous in the concept that nobody can actually prove evolution was happening millions of years ago.

However it can be deduced with very compelling evidence evolution did occur.

Now you're the one Failing. Just for different reasons.

 

[Juddog]

If you think a Church is necessary for a belief system, then you need to talk to Richard Dawkins and enlighten yourself.

You are too used to growing up within the confines of a belief system, thus you see other things which are observation and associate those observations with belief systems, which they are not.

Put simply: observation and analysis does not a belief system make.

 

[MJinZ]

You are too used to growing up within the confines of a belief system, thus you see other things which are observation and associate those observations with belief systems, which they are not.

Put simply: observation and analysis does not a belief system make.

If you can't see it, please don't assume everyone else is just as blind.

 

[Lonyo]

Well I'm sure you'll do well as a lawyer, because no one will understand what you are saying or what point you are trying to make, so they will just assume it's over their heads and your side must be right (assumign you do law with a jury).
If you do some other kind of law where you interact with people who have a clue, I expect they'll just laugh at you and ask you what drugs you take.

 

[Juddog]

If you can't see it, please don't assume everyone else is just as blind.

If you make something up, please don't assume that everybody else can see it.

 

[Juddog]

Well I'm sure you'll do well as a lawyer, because no one will understand what you are saying or what point you are trying to make, so they will just assume it's over their heads and your side must be right (assumign you do law with a jury).
If you do some other kind of law where you interact with people who have a clue, I expect they'll just laugh at you and ask you what drugs you take.

I would imagine his ideas would hold up as well in court as the now disbarred Jack Thompson.

 

[Fayd]

Unless you're OK with letting the strong live, the crippled and defective die, and are against medical treatment to maintain life in any manner.

:hmm:

evolution doesnt "recommend" a way of acting. the very idea is that every animal will attempt to the best of their abilities to continue living and reproduce.

in humans, the 'best of our abilities' includes medical treatment.

 

[MJinZ]

evolution doesnt "recommend" a way of acting. the very idea is that every animal will attempt to the best of their abilities to continue living and reproduce.

in humans, the 'best of our abilities' includes medical treatment.

I would disagree... evolution "recommends" survival, and especially, the ability for the survival of the species.

 

[Juddog]

I would disagree... evolution "recommends" survival, and especially, the ability for the survival of the species.

If you honestly think that evolution "recommends" things, then you probably don't understand what evolution is to begin with.

 

[zinfamous]

So is LOVE, and HATE.

They are FACT - it's observable, and there is evidence left behind.

Do you understand or believe in Love or Hate?

The existence of something does not equate to you agreeing or relating to it, or spreading it, or advocating it, or denying it.

sorry, you can't quantitatively & objectively define Love.

that is just silly.

I didn't think you were stupid at first....now I'm leaning in that direction.

:hmm:

 

[techs]

In the last 100 years evolution of humans has given us everything from airplanes, to cars, to computers, to cat scans, to landing a man on the moon, etc, etc.

It seems to working just fine.

 

[zinfamous]

Huh? Love and Hate are nothing like evolution at all, nor are they belief systems, they are emotions. There is no church of hate that I'm aware of, nor is there a holy book of hate.

are you sure about that?

lots of churches:
http://www.patrobertson.com/
http://www.falwell.com/
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html
http://www.glennbeck.com/

plenty of books, too:
http://www.amazon.com/Listen-America.../dp/0553149989
http://www.amazon.com/Godless-Church.../dp/1400054206
http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&keyw...%20Beck&page=1

 

[zinfamous]

No, I'm getting a Law and MBA degree.

oh.


this explains everything.

move along.

 

[Iron Woode]

In case anyone got the reference...

It is like the difference between believing God exists and believing IN God.

So, even if you trust the Science, you don't believe it to be... the way it should be.

What kind of ramifications does this have? Hmmmmmmmm?

I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster and his Noodly appendage will touch you, too.

 

[Deeko]

You can believe in evolution even if you wonder about how our society affects it....

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=669743&highlight=evolution

(Wow, I can't believe I remember that thread)

 

[dpearson]

Fail.

You (and I) don't know what genes strengthen or weaken our gene pool. The gene for sickle cell anemia actually provides protection against malaria. So would it strengthen or weaken our gene pool?

It really depends on two factors. What is your idea of a strengthened gene pool? Intelligence, health, height, etc, etc?? And what effect does preventing these genes from spreading thru procreation have.

It may be that if we did "euthanize" or prevent those with genetic abnormalities from procreating, we may actually be reducing our gene pools tendency to create newer adaptations.

What?

Reread my post. I did not say I knew what genes strengthened or weakened our gene pool. Nor did I say that I knew what a strengthened gene pool would look like.

I was just saying contributions to society don't affect our species. Passing genes on to the next generation does.

 

[skace]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism

Now that I've labeled exactly what it is we are talking about, it seems discussing it any further is rather... futile, wouldn't you say?

 

[MJinZ]

If you honestly think that evolution "recommends" things, then you probably don't understand what evolution is to begin with.

My undergrad degree is in Biochemistry and Chemistry. You have to pass Bio 101 to move on.

Your understanding of Evolution is shallow.

Just like doctors and scientists may understand how a human body works, but not the meaning of our existence.

 

[MJinZ]

sorry, you can't quantitatively & objectively define Love.

that is just silly.

I didn't think you were stupid at first....now I'm leaning in that direction.

:hmm:

LOL. You absolutely can, if you had the capacity to.

 

[sdifox]

In the last 100 years evolution of humans has given us everything from airplanes, to cars, to computers, to cat scans, to landing a man on the moon, etc, etc.

It seems to working just fine.

err, those are scientific achievements, not evolution.