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Even as rockets Fly, Israel tries to help
- Thread starter RichardE
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Lemon law
Lifer
Nope, wrong song RichardE, Israel can only redeem itself by the currency of real hope for the Palestinian people, stealing their land, and then slightly increasing their subhuman rations is a PR stunt at best.
Even though Israeli basically co opted and corrupted the Fatah party, the Annapolis peace conference failed because Israel is still unwilling to even deal with Fatah or allow it to deliver any hope.
Hezbollah and Hamas have popular support because they demand justice and provide the social services Israel fails to provide, Hamas is democratically elected, and its time that Israel deals with it as fatah
will go the way of the dodo.
Israel will not kill its way out of its problems, if 60 years have taught us nothing, its never too late to learn.
The latest home land security assessment is that terrorists will soon be using biological weapons, and if so, building up hatreds is exactly the wrong thing for Israel to do.
The land of Israel can be shared, it was the original intend of the UN when establishing the State of Israel, it cannot be long term pigged by a Jewish theocracy where rights are based by religious birth.
Just ain't gonna work long term, no matter how much military force is used to prop up the unsustainable.
According to most sources I have seen, Israel will again invade Gaza, it will end up punishing the innocent while the guilty mostly escape, but it will only stiffen Hezbollah and Hamas support, while hastening the day when stateless terrorists acquire chemical, biologic, and nuclear dirty bombs and use them against Israel.
I support the right of Israel to exist, but I cannot support their dead end tactics that can only lead to disaster for a larger mid east. Its called lose lose lose.
Even though Israeli basically co opted and corrupted the Fatah party, the Annapolis peace conference failed because Israel is still unwilling to even deal with Fatah or allow it to deliver any hope.
Hezbollah and Hamas have popular support because they demand justice and provide the social services Israel fails to provide, Hamas is democratically elected, and its time that Israel deals with it as fatah
will go the way of the dodo.
Israel will not kill its way out of its problems, if 60 years have taught us nothing, its never too late to learn.
The latest home land security assessment is that terrorists will soon be using biological weapons, and if so, building up hatreds is exactly the wrong thing for Israel to do.
The land of Israel can be shared, it was the original intend of the UN when establishing the State of Israel, it cannot be long term pigged by a Jewish theocracy where rights are based by religious birth.
Just ain't gonna work long term, no matter how much military force is used to prop up the unsustainable.
According to most sources I have seen, Israel will again invade Gaza, it will end up punishing the innocent while the guilty mostly escape, but it will only stiffen Hezbollah and Hamas support, while hastening the day when stateless terrorists acquire chemical, biologic, and nuclear dirty bombs and use them against Israel.
I support the right of Israel to exist, but I cannot support their dead end tactics that can only lead to disaster for a larger mid east. Its called lose lose lose.
Fear No Evil
Diamond Member
Obamessiah will fix all of this. Just hang on a little bit longer!
You are delusional if you think Israel will surrender if biological weapons are used against it, all you will see is Mushroom clouds over Damascus and Tehran.
Israel, if it's leadership grew some balls would finally go after the heads of the parties and deal with the issue finally. Hopefully Israel does not do a symbolic invasion like they typically do, but finally take out the leadership of this cancer, no matter the cost.
Freshgeardude
Diamond Member
WRONG! Israel has always, will always find a way for peace. they have met with leaders. those they havent met with are ones that want to wipe israel off the face of the earth.
Israel orginally agreed under UN, for a small piece of Israel, known as the Negev, a dry desert among other small pieces
Go look for yourself
Israel only took the yellow pieces of land after multiple attacks on Jewish settlements, a lot from Syria, who were on mountains, while Israel was lower. the part on the map where it says Egypt, was taken in the 6 day war when Egypt attacked israel. It was given back in return for piece. This piece of land had oil deposits, which Israel cared less for than compared to peace.
get your facts straight before you bash israel.
ZzZGuy
Golden Member
Realistically, I would like to see Israel finish the wall and build that laser based missile/motor interception system so they can't be touched.
The palestinians can no longer be used as proxies to do the arab worlds dirty work so the terrorists are not funded or encouraged as much. I don't know what can be done with those in gaza and west bank, too many groups mixed in with the population that will try and kill as many jews as they can and no arab nation will have anything to do with their "brothers" because they see them as the scum of the arab world and only good for poking Israel.
The palestinians can no longer be used as proxies to do the arab worlds dirty work so the terrorists are not funded or encouraged as much. I don't know what can be done with those in gaza and west bank, too many groups mixed in with the population that will try and kill as many jews as they can and no arab nation will have anything to do with their "brothers" because they see them as the scum of the arab world and only good for poking Israel.
Freshgeardude
Diamond Member
realistically, every logic-minded person does not want the arab terrorists on earth anymore, they have caused problems in israel and for America (Iraq/ afganistan).
unfortunately though, if Israel was to ever launch missiles to destroy a country, like Iran or Syria, the world would condemn them, saying Israel "has no right to do it" even though they ignore the missiles fired on Israel and the suicide attempts every day
unfortunately though, if Israel was to ever launch missiles to destroy a country, like Iran or Syria, the world would condemn them, saying Israel "has no right to do it" even though they ignore the missiles fired on Israel and the suicide attempts every day
Brainonska511
Lifer
Israel and Palestine are both wrong and they both need to STFU and sit down at the table and talk. Israel needs to give real concessions instead of just peddling bullshit and Palestinians need to honor cease fires.
As for the US - we need to back the fuck up and stop blindly supporting Israel. What's good for Israel != What's good for the US - sometimes it might, but not always as some people seem to think.
As for the US - we need to back the fuck up and stop blindly supporting Israel. What's good for Israel != What's good for the US - sometimes it might, but not always as some people seem to think.
WhipperSnapper
Lifer
It must be tough being the Israelis; a group of civilized, modern people who tend to have high IQs surrounded by barbaric religious mystics who aren't nearly as intelligent. It's amazingly benevolent of them to still hope that this irrational group of folks could come to reason and recognize what's in their rational selfish interest at some point. Realistically, the best solution is for the Palestinians to get relocated to other Arab countries and to just let Israel have the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, territory that they earned during the wars intended to eradicate them. Arab pride and feelings would be hurt for many years and none of them like or want the Palestinians, but in the long run the separation of the Israelis and the Palestinians would probably go a long way towards promoting peace in the region. (Of course, then the Arabs would probably suffer lots of internal civil strife and perhaps go to war against each other since they'd need new targets for their bloodlust.)
They are an amazingly benevolent people almost to the point of outright foolishness. If they were less benevolent they would have conquered the Middle East, seized all of the oil, and either enslaved the Arabs or forced them to return to their old tribal nomadic lifestyles.
They are an amazingly benevolent people almost to the point of outright foolishness. If they were less benevolent they would have conquered the Middle East, seized all of the oil, and either enslaved the Arabs or forced them to return to their old tribal nomadic lifestyles.
Zebo
Elite Member
I don't understand why the Palestinians, who are functioning from a point of weakness, continue to provoke Israel like this. Why can't they just be more serious about a peace agreement rather than fire rockets into Israel? The rockets are such a short-term feeling of elation that it isn't worth the bombardments and isolation Gaza has had to endure for years. Their strategy doesn't make any sense.
fallenangel99
Golden Member
Ouch. 145 dead already. I think we may see an escalation in conflict coming from Hizbullah even. I hope Israeli ground forces dont go in because I can see high casualties on both sides.
Dari: I think to answer your question. Palestine authorities (at least in West Bank) want land grabbed from the 67 war, sharing of Jersulaem (or whatever city) as capital, and some other concessions. That's all I know.
Dari: I think to answer your question. Palestine authorities (at least in West Bank) want land grabbed from the 67 war, sharing of Jersulaem (or whatever city) as capital, and some other concessions. That's all I know.
You see, what happens is this...
Hamas fires dozens of rockets every day (2900 rockets in 2008).
Israel tells them to stop.
They don't.
Now they're paying for it. Israel's citizens in the south have been living in bomb shelters for years. It's time they can start living like normal people.
Hamas saw Israel as weak because they didn't attack. Now Hamas are paying the bill.
Some people here are complaining that innocents are paying for what Hamas do? Well, those innocents are letting terrorists fire rockets from their back yards, letting them build tunnels to smuggle in weapons from their homes, letting them stay in the houses for protection, and don't forget... They also elected Hamas. So, they are not innocent. they chose this. Now they're paying for it.
Zebo
Elite Member
Why? The existence of an Infidel nation-state, smack in the middle of Dar al-Islam, and run by the despised Jews, is simply something intolerable and sends many Muslims into a fury. It's commanded by God in the immutable Qur'an to remove it.
They don't care if it takes 1 day which they tried in serveral wars were all the Arab states ganged up on Israel or 200 years though Palestinian shock troops - Israel will be removed.
They win either way when attacking.
If Israeli's kill them, they are martyrs, which has a place in heaven thats better than owning the world and everything in it. The west passes a bunch of resolutions on what blood thirsty murders the Jews are hurting them PR wise. The money keeps flowing to "Palestine", Egypt etc for the next round of peace. And it gives then an excuse for more martyrdom operations and dipshits like some above will say they are justified and 'equally to blame' for the next bus load of school children that blows..
If Israel does not retaliate they get to terrorize and kill a bunch of Jews.
wwswimming
Banned
:thumbsup: glad to see some AT'ers live in the reality-based community.
BarneyFife
Diamond Member
100% correct. I'm sick of both of them.
Funny, the rest of the world dealt with Israel no problem until Arab states got pissed and threatened to cut off oil. Now, states that do not entirely depend on Arab oil defend Israel, including China and to an extent Russia and most of Europe.
You don't think if the world disagreed with Israel more arms would flow to the Arabs than just through Iran and Pakistain by proxy? The US supplied more and better arms to the Afghans against the soviets than the Arabs have even till this day.
Your bullshit, unsupported stance is just that, bullshit. How about you learn something beyond "Arabs just wanna be friends daily" ?
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