this guy loves Israel too much. I sure hope its not cause his religion says so. Those people are psycho
/pat
I understand, you have to ignore anything good Israel does, it's ok Aimster, you can go back to your circle jerkfest about how bad Israel here, I even got a box of kleenex for you.
who gives a shit about Israel?
It's another nation. U.S > Israel.
The U.S does tons of good. Go create some threads about that.
Nobody cares except fanatical religious nuts who IMO are the whole reasoning behind all the world's problems.
You don't seem to understand that there are always people who will cut down whatever you say. I couldpost about the millions going to African aid programs, or maybe diplomatic efforts the US is doing in Pakistain and India which might be all thats preventing war, and it would still get cut down by the same people who hate the US.
Just because you don't care doesn't mean other people don't. You can more about the good the US does, than make a thread and deal with the people who can think the US can do nothing right, and is always wrong, since those people are the same person you are when it comes to Israel.
Even as it stands, Israel is helping Gaza and people who have familly, friends or ties to that area care. So go make a thread about how good the US is doing in Iraq, or the Middle East, or SE Asia and see yourself cut down the US. People everywhere will bitch, such is life. Personally, I am glad Israel cares enough to attack just the Hamas when trying to give goodwill to the citizens. Which is more than what most countries do during war, especially against countries that indiscriminantly kill there citizens. So hate all you want, but Israel is fighting the most moral war humans have seen in recent history.
Or maybe you want to go back to firebombing entire civillian cities and dropping nukes on entire civillian cities because a military naval force was attacked.
Those totally unreasonable people in Gaza should understand that it is totally normal from a humanitarian point of view to deprive people of food, water, fuel, electricity, work and freedom to visit family!
Because some of them didn't want that very nice life Israel is now forced to kill civilians at random! Err, I mean to claim that everyone dying is a terrorist, even the babies and children!
And the 'great' argument that any house is a valid target as the terrorists hide among civilians: Any Israeli has to join the military, so any Israeli house would then make a valid target too. Sure, the Palestinians have fired far more crappy rockets which didn't do much damage and hardly ever hurt (let alone killed) anyone, so firing state of the art missiles and throwing advanced bombs to kill people is really a valid way to retaliate.
All the terrorists there should be killed, including all the Israeli settlers and quite a few other Israelis. Not just the Palestinian ones.
I have better things to do with my Saturday.
Anyone who defends the bombings or killing of innocent civilians is a piece of shit.
Jews (Religious) > Arabs (The dogs, Islam) so it is ok to the wackos who defend Israel all the time.
Arabs (displaced refugees, Islam) > Jews (Satan) to the other idiots.
Yeah I remember thost Reuters pictures that showed the same Grandma and dead baby in a dozen different places in Lebannon!
Try to learn something, not everyone is a rose carrying friend. Or do you want to see some pictures of the aftermath of bombings and rocket attacks in Israel? Or might that put too much of a real face on the great Satan.
Steeplerot
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I have yet to see anyone defend Palas alone.
There are two sides to the issue I see posted in here.
1. Palas are terrorists and Israel are the good guys only defending themselves.
2. Both sides are screwed up.
Who the hell is defending rocket bombings and such? I only see Israel get such treatment.
There are two sides to the issue I see posted in here.
1. Palas are terrorists and Israel are the good guys only defending themselves.
2. Both sides are screwed up.
Who the hell is defending rocket bombings and such? I only see Israel get such treatment.
Why do they launch rockets? Israel did something to piss them off. That is their argument. So innocents deserve to die.
They are asleep right now. They stayed up all night playing Halo3. They didn't go out to get drunk or get laid... give them time you'll see.
Steeplerot
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I would not bother, this is a pretty mainstream USA/PC forum to have rational critical discussion about the Israeli govt. You should know this from discussing Persia.
But then the outright pro-Palestinian websites get on my nerves too.
The whole issue is pathetic, I am sick of it and desire greatly for a end to it in my lifetime finally. Israel needs to piss off and settle somewhere else/overthrow their own fundamentalist govt if they cannot get along, ancient UN resolutions be damned.
Maybe if Israel had a good democratic secular government they could be a good influence on their "neighbors".
Fat chance on that when they have the American govt/public opinion in their pocket funding/supporting Israeli settlers/religious extremists who run the show.
(Now watch and see how long it is before I am called a anti-semite by some douchebag)
zinfamous
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Have you watched any news source other than Faux? Try watching international streams like the BBC.
Most of what you see in the states being reported as Israeli retaliation for Palestinian violence is, in reality, THE EXACT OPPOSITE. Most of the Paslestinians living in the Gaza are hurling rocks as a direct response to Israeli soldiers storming into their slums and gunning down a few civilians, unprovoked. This happens all the time, yet is reported incorrectly in the US, because we LOVE Israel.
The Jewish Neighborhoods in Gaza are and always have been in direct violation of international law. Everyone fucking knows this, and only the US doesn't seem to care.
Fuck Israel.
Do you want to see pictures of the aftermath of Rocket attacks and suicide bombers? Or pictures of how kids need to be within X kilometers of a bomb sheleter in parts of Israel, since you are so delusional as to think Israel is not suffering at all from this.
As I said, I saw all those beutifull Reuters photographs showing the "Arab side" of the war, funny enough they were fake as shit, just like the "Arab side" of the war.
As I said, read something other than propoghanda machine Arab sites or Hezbollah daily.
Steeplerot
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Both sides are full of propaganda, the Israelis have it down to a science though.
And you obviously are sucked in.
anyhow..
Israeli far right gains ground as Gaza rockets fuel tension
Support for Israel's ultra-nationalist rightwing parties is growing as the Jewish state and Hamas, the Islamists who rule Gaza, lurch closer to a major confrontation.
more
Just more of the same from Israel.
zinfamous
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Israel indeed suffers from this. And the citizens who live there will continue to suffer so long as the Zionists that control this "country" and those abroad that continue to support them remain in power.
I have nothing but sympathy for all of the innocents caught in the middle of this bullshit, and the Jewish people as a whole. The central problem, though, is this Zionist poison. No different than the cancer that is nationalism, which gave rise to the Soviet Union, Il Duce's fascist Italy, and the Nazi regime.
Why are the pictures of innocents killed by suicide bombers more deserving of our sympathy than the innocent Palestinians killed by unprovoked Israeli aggression?
Suicide bombings occur as direct retaliation from specific Israel attacks. You still remain blind to the news, don't you?
EDIT: Oh, I've never read Hezbollah, I read real international journalism, which tells the full side of each story, not what gets filtered to the US and other biased blind devotees.
ever heard of the BBC? and why are these pictures of the "Arab War" fakes? because you say so?
SamurAchzar
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No, not Anti-semite, just ignorant. Not your fault though, I bet you've never been anywhere near this area.
Israel had nothing else than a secular government since its inception, and that's not going to change anytime soon. There was never a religious Israeli prime minister, and in fact, the founders of Israel grew on the knees of Soviet secularism.
Calling the present government "Fundamentalist" is totally out there. This government was elected in order to detach from the Palestinians. The ruling party, Qadima, is made of the same people who brought the separation from Gaza. Israel has been under constant fire for months now before the government seriously retaliated. Hamas has been warned, by Israel, Arabs and the International community over and over again.
Any attempt to put the Islamo-fascist regime of the Hamas and the secular, democratic regime of Israel on the same page is simply pathetic.
SamurAchzar
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In what kind of world exactly does firing 60 rockets a day on cities does not constitute "provocation"?
There's been over 3,000 rocket/mortar attacks since the begining of this year. I don't think each one was a reaction for a specific Israeli act.
Wasn't Hamas the organization that was executing Fatah members by throwing them off of multi-story buildings earlier this year? This is just another criminal organization. I'm not disturbed when Israel kills and wounds Fatah members. Looking at Getty images, I thought that the vast majority of the bodies and wounded where military aged men in black uniforms.
Most of my life the Arab world has been trying to destroy Israel. Arab governments all suck.
Wasn't Hamas the organization that was executing Fatah members by throwing them off of multi-story buildings earlier this year? This is just another criminal organization. I'm not disturbed when Israel kills and wounds Fatah members. Looking at Getty images, I thought that the vast majority of the bodies and wounded where military aged men in black uniforms.
Most of my life the Arab world has been trying to destroy Israel. Arab governments all suck.
zinfamous
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rockets in retaliation of continued Israeli violation of international law and aggression?
wow, it really is easy for you guys to ignore what is going on when you turn a blind eye to unfiltered sources.
But yeah, the recent events are a gigantic clusterfuck. I haven't personally invested my attention into to the background involving these current events in so much as the ceasefire was simply left to expire without any negotiation. It seems nothing more than an excuse for each side to get back to killing.
Make no mistake, however, that the overriding issue behind Palestinian aggression is that the settlers remain ILLEGALLY on Palestinian land, granted them not merely by the centuries-long residency, but also by international law. Israel has continued their illegal invasion into this territory and the US Zionists continue to support them.
you would be tossing rocks and firing rockets too if it was your only recourse to reclaim what is rightfully and legally yours.
I think Native American tried something like this ('cept without the rockets).
Do you think Hamas would surrender if they got some Casinos?
JohnOfSheffield
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Isn't "tossing rockets" during an internationally recognised cease fire an illegal act?
I suppose that Israel should just sit back and follow the agreement while the terrorists continously keep their war against Israel going? No retaliation what so ever, just accept it?
I wonder how you would feel if Mexico started shooting rockets against the "annexed" lands in the south?
Now Hamas has gone completely insane and told the different groups (primarily Al-Aqsa) to fire at Israel and when Israel fights back you think that is wrong?
Isreael even sent diesel, food and medical supplies into the area to minimise the suffering among the civilian population.
JohnOfSheffield
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Hezbollah doesn't want to destroy Israel.
& Hamas is poorly trained,equipped and funded. They make their rockets in some shop. & they don't even have an objective. If they stopped fighting with Israel they would have no reason to exist. They just want everyone to feel sorry for them.
Govts of Egypt and Saudi Arabia with their chain nations Kuwait, UAE, QATAR, and Jordan are strong. They are run by "families". The families are enjoying their unlimited credit card limit.
That's kind of silly, saying that after the disengagment. There are no Israeli settlments in Gaza. You'd expect the Palestinians to try to negotiate after Israel ecavuated Gaza. Israel showed a willingness to returns lands. Instead all we saw was Hamas reading that as a sign of weakness and escalation of rocktes and mortars fired.
So they're tossing rocks and rockets from Gaza after Israel left Gaza, and from lands Israel left... Yeah... That's the way to incourage Israel to leave lands...
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