Eve: Am I missing something?

[Magusigne]

I'm a huge fan of Freelancer, and many games of similar genre. I love the graphics, and the concept. But for some reason, I always assume it will turn into, warp into this system, kill 10 pirates, return= profit. Or spend all day mining asteroids and sell for profit.

Are there more intricate quests? For instance, an epic type quest that requires a whole corp fleet to complete?

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Stop being a carebear. The real fun in Eve lies in its politics and Low-Sec/00 Warfare. Level 5 Missions, PLEX's, will give you a run for your money, Some Wormholes will require an entire fleet to clear out as those Sleepers are really intelligent, never mind the Wormhole system itself, which creates an vast changing Universe.

 

[ZzZGuy]

Join a corp, all I can say. And not one where you mine all day, one where they do it all if possible.

Get a decent ship you don't mind losing and go PvPing with them.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Stop being a carebear. The real fun in Eve lies in its politics and Low-Sec/00 Warfare. Level 5 Missions, PLEX's, will give you a run for your money, Some Wormholes will require an entire fleet to clear out as those Sleepers are really intelligent, never mind the Wormhole system itself, which creates an vast changing Universe.

0.0 Warfare can degrade into hours of POS sieging/waiting for timers. That's hardly "real fun" in my book. "Ok everyone, go to bed.. but make sure to set your alarms for the middle of the night so you can get on and attack this POS. Also make sure you turn of ALL graphical improvements, set everything to minimum, turn of all brackets, and zoom all the way out so you can't actually see anything but your overhead. This is going to kick ass!" ...



Can the game be fun? Hell yeah, it just really depends on your play style.

 

[Magusigne]

Hmmm..well I've signed up for yet another 14 day trial. This usually degrades into me quitting after 6 hours. We shall see. I've read that the AT'ers have a Corp?

 

[Chriscross3234]

I used to be in the same position as you... just trudging along doing missions in empire, it was a pretty boring grind. I decided I was done with it and I joined a fairly smaller Corp that was in the process of joining an alliance. This alliance has been under attack for a while from multiple other alliances. A few corpmates told me what the situation was and it was very interesting hearing about the alliance we were joining and the history behind it. They told me of previous wars between certain alliances and how they lost territory in one region, but were able to gain a foothold in another region, ect. Hearing about the history of what was going on seemed like it was out of some sci-fi book and what makes it even more unique and interesting is that none of it is scripted, it was all driven by the players.

This made me very excited to join in on the fun and I, and the corp, soon moved from Empire to 0.0 to help the alliance out, and I got my first taste of PvP. The PvP in this game is like no other PvP I've ever experience in any other type of MMO. It is a massive 20 to 100+ man effort where each player has a very important role, even the newer ones like me. Everything is very structured and coordinated in order to make sure that everyone moves a a single entity and concentrates on the same objectives. It was completely awesome seeing our 100 man fleet duke it out with the enemies 100 man fleet, somehow I was able to make it out alive, I guess I got really lucky.

For me, it was sort of like playing WoW and finally hitting 60. Once you hit 60, the real part of WoW began in regards to end-game raiding. It's sorta like this for EvE, except EvE is 1000000x more complicated, frustrating, intriguing, and rewarding all at the same time. I guess in the end, just find a decently sized corp that is a part of some type of 0.0 alliance and that has people who are willing to teach you about the game, because 0.0 and PvP is COMPLETELY different from Empire.

 

[pontifex]

because it's a game you "play" while doing other things, like watching TV, browsing the web, playing REAL games.

 

[Martimus]

Originally posted by: TheVrolok

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Stop being a carebear. The real fun in Eve lies in its politics and Low-Sec/00 Warfare. Level 5 Missions, PLEX's, will give you a run for your money, Some Wormholes will require an entire fleet to clear out as those Sleepers are really intelligent, never mind the Wormhole system itself, which creates an vast changing Universe.

0.0 Warfare can degrade into hours of POS sieging/waiting for timers. That's hardly "real fun" in my book. "Ok everyone, go to bed.. but make sure to set your alarms for the middle of the night so you can get on and attack this POS. Also make sure you turn of ALL graphical improvements, set everything to minimum, turn of all brackets, and zoom all the way out so you can't actually see anything but your overhead. This is going to kick ass!" ...



Can the game be fun? Hell yeah, it just really depends on your play style.

Low Sec warfare is a blast though. I just got done with an engagement where me and one other person engaged a blob of Eve-U recruits (58 vs. 2) and it was one of the funnest things I have done. We probably got half of them.

Hunting down ships in low sec is fun. Having an epic battle with other like minded people is even better. (20 vs. 20 BS's and a few carriers is a blast) They happen pretty often, and they don't rely on anyone getting up at a certain time, just an active corp.

Of course this is my small experience with Eve. I thought 0.0 warfare was mostly boring. low sec always has more action.

Also, fighting in the market is amazingly fun as well. Making small investments turn into big ISK is satisfying, and the subsequent war you have with other investors when they figure out your gold mine is interesting and rewarding when you are the one who wins a big bid for your product.

The PvE portion of Eve gets boring though. The Epic Arc is pretty fun, but after that the regular missions are more of a grind. They are fun at first, but after a short while you don't really want to do them. Luckily you don't have to do them.

 

[DannyLove]

Stop being a carebear. The real fun in Eve lies in its politics and Low-Sec/00 Warfare

screw that. Its the reason I quit and gave my 2 awesome accounts away to my buddy.

This was probably 3-4 years ago? back when alliance [FIX] existed. (not sure if it does today) but wow, talk about fucken political drama...

The game itself is great, it just drains your life away.

 

[Skott]

Its been a year or so since I tried Eve. The learning curve is real steep. Thats its biggest turn off IMHO. Trying to figure out everything yourself is not easy and with Eve's hard learning curve its a real turnoff. Its a lot easier to jump into other MMOs and begin playing compared to Eve. Eve is the kind of game that'll turn off many of the casual players IMO. All this makes joining a corp critical. Problem was back then everyone wanted you to get past the trial period before they'd even consider you. There is a newbie corp though that you can join thats dedicated to helping new players. Get in with them if you can if you are new and starting out. Eve is a MMO though so there can be boring times when it comes to just doing missions like in any MMO. Eve isnt for everyone. You are either going to love it or hate it. I've tried many MMOs but Eve had the most brilliantly fantastic graphics I have ever seen in a MMO. I havent seen another MMO come close to its graphics yet. In the end, for me, I just didnt like EVE even though I tried to like it. I just couldnt get into it like I could with other MMOs. Learning how to do the most common simple things seemed to be a struggle. That ultimately was what turned me off. Does that make it a bad game? No, it just wasnt for me. Like I said you are either going to love it or hate it. These are just my own opinions about Eve. I'd say give a try and see if its for you. Join that newbie corp though unless you have friends already in game and willing to help you along.

 

[racolvin]

I played EVE for about 2 years and finally quit. I simply was not into PvP and that, sadly, is really the game in EVE. Whether that is actual ship-to-ship combat, market combat, or whatever, its all about taking out the other guy. I just never got into it. 2 years of PvE was all I could stand since the content for a carebear is fairly limited.

 

[Michael]

My corp is willing to accept inexperienced players. We teach and help them as well. I brought Martimus into my corp and I think he is having more fun now thatn he was before. We do few manditory ops, mainly just a bunch of fun people flying around and shooting other people.

Look up Myrdin Potter in game if you want more information.

Michael

 

[ibex333]

I played EVE for several years and I'm still playing it.

IMO, EVE suffers from the same problems many other MMOs suffer from. It implies that people should be playing with other people, but it doesn't really provide the means for this to happen. The only way to have some REAL fun is to join a leet corp, but a leet corp will never take you because you gots to be leet to get in. So you end up joining "some" corp. And such corps usually(note I didn't say always) end up being lame. When you join they tell you that they PvP every day, or mine, or do missions or whatnot. But, when you join, you quickly find out that in truth, everyone is doing their own thing, and you'll be lucky if 5 people EVER team up to do anything. Other times a war will break out out of nowhere, and you wont even be able to undock your ship from the station you are in, unless you are ready to lose it and all the money you invested into it.

The biggest issue with EVE though, in my opinion is the price. $15 a month is just way too damn much! That's $180 a year! This is absolutely ridiculous. (and yes I know other mmos have the same fee) Just think about it... You are paying $180 a year for VIRTUAL stuff! Consider how many "solid", much more useful things you can have for this same money... $180 can get you a fairly high end video card every single year! It can get you a good, fast CPU! A huge hard drive.... A ton of food.... A gym subscription! It can go toward your rent or your bills or gas... You can buy 4 video games... or more if you buy used or older ones. It's amazing how many things $180 can get you. But if you pay that same money for an MMO, sure you paid for your entertainment, but you will NEVER get this money back, and you wont have anything to show for it, except for your virtual account. It's gone forever, spent on a year of "fake virtual bliss". I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I earn $7.25 an hour, 7 hours of work AFTER a full day of college every day, and when I come home from work, I feel like all life has been drained out of me. When this money comes so hard, it shouldn't be spent on MMOS. And please don't jump on me for saying this. I didnt post this so someone could pet me on the head and say "poor you". I posted this merely to give my 2c.

Luckily, CCP doesn't mind bums like me, and they actually created loopholes just so I can keep playing. By being a "carebear fuck" as many eve players call me, I manage to make enough ISK trading every month to buy a PLEX(a 30 day time card), and I happily play at the expense of all those "non carebear leet PvP fucks" that don't mind throwing away $180 a year so I can keep playing.

 

[randalee]

I lasted 30 minutes and uninstalled it.

 

[SunnyD]

It's a strange game. If it had a very low or no subscription fee, I'd say it would be worth it. No more than $5 tops. Basically all it feels like is a single-player RTS.

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
It's a strange game. If it had a very low or no subscription fee, I'd say it would be worth it. No more than $5 tops. Basically all it feels like is a single-player RTS.

Then you're doing it wrong.


(EVE is entirely about alliance PvP, even if it doesn't say so)

 

[Saga]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
It's a strange game. If it had a very low or no subscription fee, I'd say it would be worth it. No more than $5 tops. Basically all it feels like is a single-player RTS.

Not enough twitch gameplay for a WoWtard? Color me surprised.

EVE is very easily free. I have six accounts and don't pay for a single one other than the six or so hours a week I invest in market trade and production.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: Saga

Originally posted by: SunnyD
It's a strange game. If it had a very low or no subscription fee, I'd say it would be worth it. No more than $5 tops. Basically all it feels like is a single-player RTS.

Not enough twitch gameplay for a WoWtard? Color me surprised.

EVE is very easily free. I have six accounts and don't pay for a single one other than the six or so hours a week I invest in market trade and production.

Very easily for someone who knows the game well enough. Sure, if you've built up a nice industrial or mining character it's easy. Yes, I know, you can use a non-trained alt just to buy/sell on the market and make ISK (hell, I created one, never trained a single skill and ended up making most of my isk that way) but you still need to know enough about how the game is played, what items are important, etc. and really, it's not all that much fun

That said.. I did love EVE, if I wasn't busy with things IRL, I'd still be playing. It can, at times, be an amazingly awesome game, and at others be absurdly boring.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: Saga

Originally posted by: SunnyD
It's a strange game. If it had a very low or no subscription fee, I'd say it would be worth it. No more than $5 tops. Basically all it feels like is a single-player RTS.

Not enough twitch gameplay for a WoWtard? Color me surprised.

EVE is very easily free. I have six accounts and don't pay for a single one other than the six or so hours a week I invest in market trade and production.

ooh... WoWtard. Color me creative. :roll:

WoW is hardly "twitch"... and that's a game I would refuse to play unless it was free. But yes, I would prefer more "twitch" in a space combat game rather than simplistic turn-based combat.

6 accounts and ~6 hours a week... sounds... "engrossing". Seriously, that's like what, an hour a character? That has got to be loads of fun.

(In case you didn't care, yeah, I have an active EVE account.)

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: pontifex
because it's a game you "play" while doing other things, like watching TV, browsing the web, playing REAL games.

Also neglecting your spouse if you are a high powered buisnessman. Buy a better game, thats all i can say :thumbsup:

 

[Magusigne]

WoW! Did I start something or what?

I really love the concept of this game. So I'm going to assume I need to utilize the free trial entirely to get my character going. After my trial I suppose then I'll make my decisions. I've tried to play a few times in the past but never got past the tutorial I'm ashamed to say.

Just need to get some of my IRL friends to switch over and I'm G2G

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: Powernick50
WoW! Did I start something or what?

I really love the concept of this game. So I'm going to assume I need to utilize the free trial entirely to get my character going. After my trial I suppose then I'll make my decisions. I've tried to play a few times in the past but never got past the tutorial I'm ashamed to say.

Just need to get some of my IRL friends to switch over and I'm G2G

Check out the 700+ post EVE thread, lots of good info there.

 

[Saga]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
6 accounts and ~6 hours a week... sounds... "engrossing". Seriously, that's like what, an hour a character? That has got to be loads of fun.

Neg. Six accounts, six hours a week is all thats required to pay for all of my accounts. Four accounts doing research, one production/trade, one PvP. I can spend anywhere from zero hours to 40 hours playing my PvP character on any given week - thats the beauty of EVE, and the basis of my WoW reference. Corps are so large that missing a few weeks of fleet ops doesn't mean shit to anyone. You're not tethered ball and chain to your next guild raid and both you and your corp/alliance continue to productive (SP gain during idle, specifically).

I can go two months if work is super demanding and I'm STILL making tons of money, STILL gaining "experience" and STILL having fun working the market and shuffling BPO's from a POS to a Rens contract. No other game can you seriously be that casual and yet have so much immersion.

I actually haven't logged onto my PvP character for almost a month, sans to switch skill training. But you know what, if I feel like it tonight I am 100% sure I can log in on my own time, get into a capital ship, and join a fleet op or hotdrop some gatecamp and crash the party. THATS the fun aspect of EVE to me. I do what I want, when I want, and everyone is happy.

I sure as hell don't think it's for everyone, but after wasting so much of my life being "forced" to raid in WoW, which spanned from the very first world-wide Ragnaros kill to the end of Sunwell. For me, EVE is perfect.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: Saga
I sure as hell don't think it's for everyone, but after wasting so much of my life being "forced" to raid in WoW, which spanned from the very first world-wide Ragnaros kill to the end of Sunwell. For me, EVE is perfect.

I hear that. 3/4 of the reason I quit WoW so long ago was there was nothing left for me to do after level 60 other than waste my evenings looking for a raid.

 

[Magusigne]

Alright. Day 5 of my Trial.

Finished the tutorial agent missions and went down the combat path. I chose a Gallente faction to start with, and I plan on making this my Rat catcher salvager character. It's sad to say that I'm forcing myself to like this game, and for the most part its working, however this is not a game I think one could pick up and instantly fall in love with. My other characeter will be my industrialist/miner and general steady isk maker for my main.

So far Im doing Level 1 Missions with ease in my Catalyst (Gallente Destroyer).

I do have one complaint that is still lingering (besides a few of my earlier reservations of course). I still find myself wanting more out of the crafting portion of the game, blue prints and the like. It would be nice to exceed specs on a given blueprint and create something of a quality range of item (including ships). I realize that you can rig ships differently, but slight variations in ships (much like they did with the items such as light carbine, repeating carbine etc) would be great!