Europeans claim wictory over Americans!!!

[charrison]

Originally posted by: ArneBjarne

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: ArneBjarne

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: ArneBjarne

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: ArneBjarne

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: ArneBjarne

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

So...in short Boeing is a gravy sucker and you admit to it getting government subsidies.
And you admit that airbus is publically traded.thanks for the blatently wrong post above

Well no I admitted that Boeing is keeping its commercial aircraft division alive through its more lucrative defense industry...if you think these contracts are pork barrel subsidies, then yes it is gravy...I happen to think that the government gets a lot of tech back for their "subsidies." Also Boeing is working especially hard to innovate, change and cut production costs...hardly the behavior of a company with a government subsidy safety net.

Airbus may be publicly traded, but they do not have the same stockholder obligations that Boeing has because of that lovely safety net provided by Europe's particular brand of socialism.

I wouldnt say my post is wrong...I would say my perception of each company and how its gets money differs from yours..

From the Businessweek article linked by charrison:

"The U.S., though is batting on a sticky wicket: much of the Japanese contribution to the 7E7 (almost one third of its development cost) could be paid for by the Japanese government, and Boeing will receive $3.2 billion in production assistence from the State of Washington in return for choosing to assemble the 7E7 there."

Also strange that the US and EU are having talks on "eliminating billions of dollars in subsidies to the world's top two plane makers" if they were not both receiving them to begin with.

Link

Airbus is getting direct subsidies to make products. Boeing gets an indirect subsidy because it does build products for the goverments. Airbus argues that it can use techlogy from goverment contracts to build private sector products.

The taxbreak is for placing the assembly of the 7E7s in Washington state. They pay to get all the jobs, not because the 7E7 is a product built for the government.

And that was done by washington state, not the fed. Boeing has not received any federal subsidies for making airliners.

Again, then your just going for technicalities and are not really out to eliminate subsidies are you? Since it is only 4 member states of the EU involved in Airbus that should be okay too then. :roll:

Not working technicaties at all. THe original argument is that boeing received direct subsidies from the the US goverment. They have not.

What washington state did was put together the best tax package to convince boeing to locate their facilities there. Had boeing moved their facities out of washington, they would have lost far more than $3B in tax base.

Well GB, Germany, France and Spain would also lose alot of money by not having the jobs created by Airbus. Same thing.

Not exactly. Airbus was created by the EU to compete with boeing. I also have little doubt there were games played on where the a380 would be produced as well from within the EU.

And why do they want to compete with Boeing? It wouldn't be to have a piece of the cake in terms of jobs would it? The A380 parts are produced in the same 4 EU member states that are backing it. Not surprisingly they wanted jobs in return.

I think you know see the difference I am talking about. I have little problem with EU proping up airbus to be able to compete with boeing, but it is time for those subsidies to come to an end.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: ArneBjarne

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: ArneBjarne

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: ArneBjarne

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: ArneBjarne

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: ArneBjarne

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

So...in short Boeing is a gravy sucker and you admit to it getting government subsidies.
And you admit that airbus is publically traded.thanks for the blatently wrong post above

Well no I admitted that Boeing is keeping its commercial aircraft division alive through its more lucrative defense industry...if you think these contracts are pork barrel subsidies, then yes it is gravy...I happen to think that the government gets a lot of tech back for their "subsidies." Also Boeing is working especially hard to innovate, change and cut production costs...hardly the behavior of a company with a government subsidy safety net.

Airbus may be publicly traded, but they do not have the same stockholder obligations that Boeing has because of that lovely safety net provided by Europe's particular brand of socialism.

I wouldnt say my post is wrong...I would say my perception of each company and how its gets money differs from yours..

From the Businessweek article linked by charrison:

"The U.S., though is batting on a sticky wicket: much of the Japanese contribution to the 7E7 (almost one third of its development cost) could be paid for by the Japanese government, and Boeing will receive $3.2 billion in production assistence from the State of Washington in return for choosing to assemble the 7E7 there."

Also strange that the US and EU are having talks on "eliminating billions of dollars in subsidies to the world's top two plane makers" if they were not both receiving them to begin with.

Link

Airbus is getting direct subsidies to make products. Boeing gets an indirect subsidy because it does build products for the goverments. Airbus argues that it can use techlogy from goverment contracts to build private sector products.

The taxbreak is for placing the assembly of the 7E7s in Washington state. They pay to get all the jobs, not because the 7E7 is a product built for the government.

And that was done by washington state, not the fed. Boeing has not received any federal subsidies for making airliners.

Again, then your just going for technicalities and are not really out to eliminate subsidies are you? Since it is only 4 member states of the EU involved in Airbus that should be okay too then. :roll:

Not working technicaties at all. THe original argument is that boeing received direct subsidies from the the US goverment. They have not.

What washington state did was put together the best tax package to convince boeing to locate their facilities there. Had boeing moved their facities out of washington, they would have lost far more than $3B in tax base.

Well GB, Germany, France and Spain would also lose alot of money by not having the jobs created by Airbus. Same thing.

Not exactly. Airbus was created by the EU to compete with boeing. I also have little doubt there were games played on where the a380 would be produced as well from within the EU.

And why do they want to compete with Boeing? It wouldn't be to have a piece of the cake in terms of jobs would it? The A380 parts are produced in the same 4 EU member states that are backing it. Not surprisingly they wanted jobs in return.

I think you know see the difference I am talking about. I have little problem with EU proping up airbus to be able to compete with boeing, but it is time for those subsidies to come to an end.

agreed

 

[ArneBjarne]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: ArneBjarne

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: ArneBjarne

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: ArneBjarne

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: ArneBjarne

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: ArneBjarne

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

So...in short Boeing is a gravy sucker and you admit to it getting government subsidies.
And you admit that airbus is publically traded.thanks for the blatently wrong post above

Well no I admitted that Boeing is keeping its commercial aircraft division alive through its more lucrative defense industry...if you think these contracts are pork barrel subsidies, then yes it is gravy...I happen to think that the government gets a lot of tech back for their "subsidies." Also Boeing is working especially hard to innovate, change and cut production costs...hardly the behavior of a company with a government subsidy safety net.

Airbus may be publicly traded, but they do not have the same stockholder obligations that Boeing has because of that lovely safety net provided by Europe's particular brand of socialism.

I wouldnt say my post is wrong...I would say my perception of each company and how its gets money differs from yours..

From the Businessweek article linked by charrison:

"The U.S., though is batting on a sticky wicket: much of the Japanese contribution to the 7E7 (almost one third of its development cost) could be paid for by the Japanese government, and Boeing will receive $3.2 billion in production assistence from the State of Washington in return for choosing to assemble the 7E7 there."

Also strange that the US and EU are having talks on "eliminating billions of dollars in subsidies to the world's top two plane makers" if they were not both receiving them to begin with.

Link

Airbus is getting direct subsidies to make products. Boeing gets an indirect subsidy because it does build products for the goverments. Airbus argues that it can use techlogy from goverment contracts to build private sector products.

The taxbreak is for placing the assembly of the 7E7s in Washington state. They pay to get all the jobs, not because the 7E7 is a product built for the government.

And that was done by washington state, not the fed. Boeing has not received any federal subsidies for making airliners.

Again, then your just going for technicalities and are not really out to eliminate subsidies are you? Since it is only 4 member states of the EU involved in Airbus that should be okay too then. :roll:

Not working technicaties at all. THe original argument is that boeing received direct subsidies from the the US goverment. They have not.

What washington state did was put together the best tax package to convince boeing to locate their facilities there. Had boeing moved their facities out of washington, they would have lost far more than $3B in tax base.

Well GB, Germany, France and Spain would also lose alot of money by not having the jobs created by Airbus. Same thing.

Not exactly. Airbus was created by the EU to compete with boeing. I also have little doubt there were games played on where the a380 would be produced as well from within the EU.

And why do they want to compete with Boeing? It wouldn't be to have a piece of the cake in terms of jobs would it? The A380 parts are produced in the same 4 EU member states that are backing it. Not surprisingly they wanted jobs in return.

I think you know see the difference I am talking about. I have little problem with EU proping up airbus to be able to compete with boeing, but it is time for those subsidies to come to an end.

No argument there and it seems to be what they are trying to do. But it has to be on both sides for it to work and it would have to include taxbreaks like the one given by Washington state. Otherwise it will just shift the type of subsidies used.

Likewise, it would also have to deal with the Japanese subsidies to boeing. Otherwise I'm sure they will just ad a non-EU country to the Airbus club to get a backdoor as well.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Seriously, just because socialist "Old Europe" has outdone capitalist America, all the while enjoying universal healthcare and 35 hr work week, it doesn't mean we are intellectually inferior. We'll beat them one day.

Considering that the a380 will be made with about 50% US content......

You wish. You can't back that up.

linkage, 50% US content excluding the engines

and 70% of the components on the 7e7 will be made outside the USA

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Seriously, just because socialist "Old Europe" has outdone capitalist America, all the while enjoying universal healthcare and 35 hr work week, it doesn't mean we are intellectually inferior. We'll beat them one day.

Considering that the a380 will be made with about 50% US content......

You wish. You can't back that up.

linkage, 50% US content excluding the engines

and 70% of the components on the 7e7 will be made outside the USA

any hard proof on that?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Seriously, just because socialist "Old Europe" has outdone capitalist America, all the while enjoying universal healthcare and 35 hr work week, it doesn't mean we are intellectually inferior. We'll beat them one day.

Considering that the a380 will be made with about 50% US content......

You wish. You can't back that up.

linkage, 50% US content excluding the engines

and 70% of the components on the 7e7 will be made outside the USA

any hard proof on that?

I would not be too surprised if that was just typical euro flagwaving, but I wouldn't be too surprised if a good bit of the actual manufacturing is done in Japan and Italy if these countries are also funding the project. I doubt it would be 70% of the manufacturing, profits, design of components, etc. or even as much as the Airbus plane apparently is.

l

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Seriously, just because socialist "Old Europe" has outdone capitalist America, all the while enjoying universal healthcare and 35 hr work week, it doesn't mean we are intellectually inferior. We'll beat them one day.

Considering that the a380 will be made with about 50% US content......

You wish. You can't back that up.

linkage, 50% US content excluding the engines

and 70% of the components on the 7e7 will be made outside the USA

any hard proof on that?

I would not be too surprised if that was just typical euro flagwaving, but I wouldn't be too surprised if a good bit of the actual manufacturing is done in Japan and Italy if these countries are also funding the project. I doubt it would be 70% of the manufacturing, profits, design of components, etc. or even as much as the Airbus plane apparently is.

l

LOL - read the link that Charrisson provided and come back then to whine in this thread

and the only flagwavers in this thread are some US people who can't handle it that some tree-kissing-lazy Europeans made a nice plane

pathetic

 

[CanOWorms]

It says in that paper that up to 70% of some versions of the 7E7 will be foreign, but doesn't explain about what versions. I was under the impression that the 7E7 was being partially developed by companies in many countries including Japan.

 

[RabidMongoose]

LOL - read the link that Charrisson provided and come back then to whine in this thread

Yup, typical euro flagwaving.

Airbus and Boeing are taking internationalization to new
levels with their latest programs: Airbus says the A380 is the
first of its models with more than 50% U.S. content
(excluding engines), while the 7E7 will be the least American
of any Boeing airplane with foreign companies supplying up
to 70% of some versions. Thirty five percent of the 7E7?its
wings and one short forward fuselage barrel section?will
come from three Japanese suppliers, the Heavy Industries of
Mitsubishi, Kawasaki and Fuji under a $2.26 billion deal with
Boeing to design and develop all these parts from carbon fiber
reinforced plastic supplied by Toray Corp. of Japan.

Only of SOME versions - and as I suspected it seems that it is also largely Japanese.

You may now proceed to whine and mislead more.

I guess it really hurts to know that 50% of the new Airbus is by those evil and dirty Americans. Boohoo!

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Seriously, just because socialist "Old Europe" has outdone capitalist America, all the while enjoying universal healthcare and 35 hr work week, it doesn't mean we are intellectually inferior. We'll beat them one day.

Considering that the a380 will be made with about 50% US content......

You wish. You can't back that up.

linkage, 50% US content excluding the engines

and 70% of the components on the 7e7 will be made outside the USA

any hard proof on that?

I would not be too surprised if that was just typical euro flagwaving, but I wouldn't be too surprised if a good bit of the actual manufacturing is done in Japan and Italy if these countries are also funding the project. I doubt it would be 70% of the manufacturing, profits, design of components, etc. or even as much as the Airbus plane apparently is.

l

LOL - read the link that Charrisson provided and come back then to whine in this thread

and the only flagwavers in this thread are some US people who can't handle it that some tree-kissing-lazy Europeans made a nice plane

pathetic

Well since Japan is playing a huge part in its development, and some other nations, its reasonable to expect that plane to have many foreign made components to it. Heck GM buys a lot of foreign stuff for its cars, which are made here in the USA. It doesn't really matter to me.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Seriously, just because socialist "Old Europe" has outdone capitalist America, all the while enjoying universal healthcare and 35 hr work week, it doesn't mean we are intellectually inferior. We'll beat them one day.

Considering that the a380 will be made with about 50% US content......

You wish. You can't back that up.

linkage, 50% US content excluding the engines

and 70% of the components on the 7e7 will be made outside the USA

any hard proof on that?

I would not be too surprised if that was just typical euro flagwaving, but I wouldn't be too surprised if a good bit of the actual manufacturing is done in Japan and Italy if these countries are also funding the project. I doubt it would be 70% of the manufacturing, profits, design of components, etc. or even as much as the Airbus plane apparently is.

l

LOL - read the link that Charrisson provided and come back then to whine in this thread

and the only flagwavers in this thread are some US people who can't handle it that some tree-kissing-lazy Europeans made a nice plane

pathetic

Well since Japan is playing a huge part in its development, and some other nations, its reasonable to expect that plane to have many foreign made components to it. Heck GM buys a lot of foreign stuff for its cars, which are made here in the USA. It doesn't really matter to me.

Yup. I think his europride is just massively hurt to apparently see that a large amount of this new plane has American components while the Boeing plane doesn't seem to be reciprocating the same 'gesture' to the European sector as a whole. He shouldn't really care since I would say that the final product is more impressive than an array of components.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Seriously, just because socialist "Old Europe" has outdone capitalist America, all the while enjoying universal healthcare and 35 hr work week, it doesn't mean we are intellectually inferior. We'll beat them one day.

Considering that the a380 will be made with about 50% US content......

You wish. You can't back that up.

linkage, 50% US content excluding the engines

and 70% of the components on the 7e7 will be made outside the USA

any hard proof on that?

I would not be too surprised if that was just typical euro flagwaving, but I wouldn't be too surprised if a good bit of the actual manufacturing is done in Japan and Italy if these countries are also funding the project. I doubt it would be 70% of the manufacturing, profits, design of components, etc. or even as much as the Airbus plane apparently is.

l

LOL - read the link that Charrisson provided and come back then to whine in this thread

and the only flagwavers in this thread are some US people who can't handle it that some tree-kissing-lazy Europeans made a nice plane

pathetic

Well since Japan is playing a huge part in its development, and some other nations, its reasonable to expect that plane to have many foreign made components to it. Heck GM buys a lot of foreign stuff for its cars, which are made here in the USA. It doesn't really matter to me.

Yup. I think his europride is just massively hurt to apparently see that a large amount of this new plane has American components while the Boeing plane doesn't seem to be reciprocating the same 'gesture' to the European sector as a whole. He shouldn't really care since I would say that the final product is more impressive than an array of components.

LOL - you guys are funny

basically some people here can't handle it that an European high-tech company is successfull in a sector that was dominated by the USA for decades.

this an other threads (the comments about the European space probe Huygens) is just proof of that

The fact remains that large parts of the 7e7 will be constructed outside of the USA or are you saying that there will be a version without japanese wings?

it must really sting that such a high-tech impressive airplane is constructed in France

😀

I couldn't care less where airbus gets its parts as long as they are successfull

you are just a bunch of pathetic whiners

 

[RabidMongoose]

wahhhhh

you are all just a bunch of pathetic whiners

wahhhh those mean and nasty americans! they are so mean mommy! they hurt my feelings!

I couldn't care less where airbus gets its parts as long as they are successfull

Apparently you did care as a simple remark about the parts in question resulted in such a rage from you.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
wahhhhh

you are all just a bunch of pathetic whiners

wahhhh those mean and nasty americans! they are so mean mommy! they hurt my feelings!

I couldn't care less where airbus gets its parts as long as they are successfull

Apparently you did care as a simple remark about the parts in question resulted in such a rage from you.

LOL

I just stated a simple fact about the 7e7 in respons to Charrisson and you guys go crazy about it

why would I be enraged? Airbus is highly successfull so I have not to be enraged about

like I said, this is the 4t or 5th thread about the A380. If you look at the pathetic posts from some people it is clear that some people are extremely hurt in their fake patritotic feelings that an European company constructed the largest passenger plane ever and already sold 149 of it.

keep doing the selective reading, it is funny as hell

btw for future reference i'm going to repost my enraged post again about the foreign components issue
you can actually feel the anger and frustration from my original post - LOL

linkage, 50% US content excluding the engines

and 70% of the components on the 7e7 will be made outside the USA

 

[RabidMongoose]

You know you're boiling up inside! Keep on whining!

BTW, your rage was after your initial post.

It's quite clear that your Europride was hurt by that one link. It's OK, it's not the end of the world.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
You know you're boiling up inside! Keep on whining!

BTW, your rage was after your initial post.

It's quite clear that your Europride was hurt by that one link. It's OK, it's not the end of the world.

I can't keep up, you guys are outwhining me

the only one in rage-modus is you my friend

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
You know you're boiling up inside! Keep on whining!

BTW, your rage was after your initial post.

It's quite clear that your Europride was hurt by that one link. It's OK, it's not the end of the world.

I can't keep up, you guys are outwhining me

the only one in rage-modus is you my friend

Yup, stop responding to him, he goes away.

 

[nCred]

I don´t care about that plane, but it´s obvious that it´s the design and construction that is important... If someone invents a something and gets 95% of the components from
somewhere else, is it not his invention?

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: GrGr
Well Europe is on a roll right now with Huygens on Titan, the A380 and the Galileo GPS satellite system set to launch.

A380 interactive guide

You mention Huygens, if it wasnt for the US it wouldnt have been there. The Euros took credit for it, but most of the Cassini-Huygens project was made in the US by JPL and ASU.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Do we need to be bitter just because socialist Europe has done something better than capitalist America? Is that really such a big threat to the US way of life?

Yeah and the EU/Airbus are going to get a heafty smackdown by the US and the WTO. If the Euros dont settle with the US, there will eventually be a record monetary ruling in favor of the US.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Stunt
7E7 is a good plane, and will do well for efficiency concerns...but for the long range side, the a380 will be stiff competition.
people will be able to travel in comfort, airline will save fuel costs per passenger.
both airlines are designed for intercontinental flight. The A380 has longer range than 747.

Again they are in different classes. The 7E7 has far less space...ie. for recreation/sleeping/passengers.
If you have routes that can take the ppl that 380 can take...it is a far better decision.

Also...airbus expects 250 planes to be made in 3 years...that's when the project will be paid off. (they are already over half that and have way more orders than anticipated)
747's have been around since 1970. To think that this project will not suceed...take off the blindfold.
This plane will not hurt airbus in the least. Even if it makes the break even point they are ahead of the game as the tech can be applied to other smaller models.

a380 is a huge sucess no matter what these nationalist boeing lovers are saying.

For something that has never taken off, I wouldnt be so sure yet.

 

[Calin]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: raildogg
Aircrafts crash due to any particular reason, so its not fair to say that Airbus planes crash any more than Boeing planes. Now you may be correct, since I have not studied this. But thats just my feeling on it

There was at least one Airbus plane that crashed for this reason. I can't recall the flight number, but the tail came off. Basically, by putting holes in a composite part, you're decreasing the strength of the part in an unknown fashion, since you're creating a discontinuity in the fibers that give the part its strength. American companies abandoned this procedure some time ago in favor of more expensive but more reliable adhesion procedures for this reason.

you mean the one that crashed in Queens, New York on 2002? I believe that was a airbus. I dont really remember the exact reason for it. Some said it was birds, some said it the heavy air movement (or something to that effect) due to the aircraft that took off before this aircraft. Other people said some part of the plane fell.

It was a American Airlnes flight to the Dominican Republic, I believe.

That plane crashed because the pilot used the tail to steer the plane, which they were not supposed to do, and the tail fin broke off. If Airbus can be blamed it would be for not building safeguards in the fly by wire software to prevent the pilot from doing anything that would cause the plane to break apart instead of relying on the pilot to not do it.

I don't agree with that - the plane should be under control in any phase of the flight. How to steer a plane if not with its tail?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Seriously, just because socialist "Old Europe" has outdone capitalist America, all the while enjoying universal healthcare and 35 hr work week, it doesn't mean we are intellectually inferior. We'll beat them one day.

Considering that the a380 will be made with about 50% US content......

You wish. You can't back that up.

linkage, 50% US content excluding the engines

and 70% of the components on the 7e7 will be made outside the USA

Yes, Japan and Italy gave boeing a pretty good deal.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: menorton
wow, europe can make the largest plane in the world.

























































































now why can't they go to the moon?

muahahahhaah. but seriously, can we?? its been a long while and I'm having doubts if we can even go back there :moon:

I thought we figured out that there wasn't much point. Seriously, we were determined to travel to space until the liberal administrations sunk all of the resources required into mis-firing social programs designed to buy votes and keep them in power. We are just now pulling out of that slump. It took them 35 years to set us back 60!

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Seriously, just because socialist "Old Europe" has outdone capitalist America, all the while enjoying universal healthcare and 35 hr work week, it doesn't mean we are intellectually inferior. We'll beat them one day.

Considering that the a380 will be made with about 50% US content......

You wish. You can't back that up.

linkage, 50% US content excluding the engines

and 70% of the components on the 7e7 will be made outside the USA

Yes, Japan and Italy gave boeing a pretty good deal.

good for Boeing :thumbsup:

I guess Airbus got a good deal in the USA