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If you mean force as the US introducing a Bill tot he UN, then yes there is. But that is a case of 1 country proposing a Bill, that happens everyday.
This was a case with multiple countries support. Rather a "world against us", in addition to it being a world against us it was a Bill which DIRECTLY undermined our most basic rights. Such is not the case with Bills introduced by the US in the UN.
See the difference? Probably not, your too simple minded to understand a difference between passing laws and changing the core fabric of a government.
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And women's rights is not a "most basic right"
I consider this far more important than a right to bear arms.
You admit yourself to the US forcing and imposing on Europe, how can you criticize them for the same thing?
Sounds hypocritical to me...
and again, you refuse to recognize the word "you're"
talk about simple minded.
I consider this far more important than a right to bear arms.
You admit yourself to the US forcing and imposing on Europe, how can you criticize them for the same thing?
Sounds hypocritical to me...
and again, you refuse to recognize the word "you're"
talk about simple minded.
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1) In casual conversation I dont correct spelling and dont use Proper Engrish. your is faster, so I type your. Only anal retentive asses who cant make a valid argument resort to correcting minor speech. God help you if you ever see shorthand, your brain will explode.
2) Is a womans right defined by our Constitution? I missed the Amendment where a woman is or is not assured the right to an abortion......
3) Theres a huge difference between the workings of governments and the workings of governments to undermine another. In the case of the abortion Bill in the UN it was the workings of governments. In the case of the gun bans it was multiple governments working to undermine the very fabric of another government. HUGE difference.
4) Again, where is a womans right to abortion defined in our Constitution.
5) If you want to see how badly I can REALLY spell, look at my post a few up. Holy Keeerist I hacked out some words there!
While I certainly recognize your passion for your right to bear arms, I kinda doubt your government would collapse if citizens weren't allowed to bear arms.
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1) refusing to use proper spelling makes you look stupid. You might as well take it one step further and use "UR", yay team teenie bopper aol user...
2) I don't give a crap about what your constitution says, there are laws that the US is pushing against in Europe and there are laws that Europe is pushing against in the US. Who is more guilty?...what is this, a competition to the bottom of the barrel?
3) So lets say that Europe decided to make abortion part of the constitution, does this make it a more valid arguement?...i think not. Laws are laws.
4) It's not. But the courts in your country seem to think that a women's right of chioce is currently the stance to take.
5) Yes we have all had to put up with your bad spelling, thank you for the self realization.
2) I don't give a crap about what your constitution says, there are laws that the US is pushing against in Europe and there are laws that Europe is pushing against in the US. Who is more guilty?...what is this, a competition to the bottom of the barrel?
3) So lets say that Europe decided to make abortion part of the constitution, does this make it a more valid arguement?...i think not. Laws are laws.
4) It's not. But the courts in your country seem to think that a women's right of chioce is currently the stance to take.
5) Yes we have all had to put up with your bad spelling, thank you for the self realization.
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I dont support that either, but thats a WHOLE nother ball of wax.
I spellet another az nother jes 4 j00 mang
we seem to have drifted slightly from the original topic into the usual EU / US pissing match. Why don't we try comparing the two instead.
The two main criticisms of the op's article seemed to be that Europe's nations are too proudly diverse to effectively unite, and that Europe has a problem with immigration of a (current) religious minority. Let's look at this using the model of the development of the US (which I am a great admirer of).
America also struggled with the problem of uniting states with differing cultural and lingual basis. America was also (at one point) struggling with the issue of massive immigration of a religious minority (Irish catholics). I'd say the US has done pretty well for itself despite this, wouldn't you?
The two main criticisms of the op's article seemed to be that Europe's nations are too proudly diverse to effectively unite, and that Europe has a problem with immigration of a (current) religious minority. Let's look at this using the model of the development of the US (which I am a great admirer of).
America also struggled with the problem of uniting states with differing cultural and lingual basis. America was also (at one point) struggling with the issue of massive immigration of a religious minority (Irish catholics). I'd say the US has done pretty well for itself despite this, wouldn't you?
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Sensationalism
The United States of America is the oldest democracy (or is it republic?) in the world.
not quite
just one link I found
http://www.polamjournal.com/Library/APHistory/facts/facts.html
well, Akhnaten proclaimed Egypt to be the world's first democracy, but how many times has it been run over since? My point is ours is the longest continuous. The Poles could've made that claim in 10000 BC, but if they've been conquered many times over, the paper is pointless.
in my opinion, most of the u.s. advatange over the rest of the countries of the world is geography. if the u.s. was connected to europe during wwI and wwII, we would be in much worse shape than we are now.
it's easy to be brave when you have canada and mexico as your neighbors, and two oceans separating you from any other country. (it's also given us a unique perspective sometimes that has been a boon).
now with weapons of mass destruction and the age of very mobile weapons, i think it will be the u.s. that will implode first before the e.u. trying to protect itself unless we change our policies. we and our government have been trying to put on a brave face since 9/11, but everywhere i look and especially here on these forums i see paranoia and blind fear (muslims trying to kill all of us! lol) becoming more prevalent.
it's easy to be brave when you have canada and mexico as your neighbors, and two oceans separating you from any other country. (it's also given us a unique perspective sometimes that has been a boon).
now with weapons of mass destruction and the age of very mobile weapons, i think it will be the u.s. that will implode first before the e.u. trying to protect itself unless we change our policies. we and our government have been trying to put on a brave face since 9/11, but everywhere i look and especially here on these forums i see paranoia and blind fear (muslims trying to kill all of us! lol) becoming more prevalent.
Skin color I dont really care about but ideology and religion I do.
In 60 years we could see Islamic states errected in the heart of christian Europe.
The point being I dont expect these Islamic states to be as tolerant of their Christian minorities then as the Christians are of their Islamic minorities now.
Originally posted by: Dari
well, Akhnaten proclaimed Egypt to be the world's first democracy, but how many times has it been run over since? My point is ours is the longest continuous. The Poles could've made that claim in 10000 BC, but if they've been conquered many times over, the paper is pointless.Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Sensationalism
The United States of America is the oldest democracy (or is it republic?) in the world.
not quite
just one link I found
http://www.polamjournal.com/Library/APHistory/facts/facts.html
in a way that is true, but then how do we define democracy?
does it start when only certain people can vote or when everyone can vote?
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Dari
well, Akhnaten proclaimed Egypt to be the world's first democracy, but how many times has it been run over since? My point is ours is the longest continuous. The Poles could've made that claim in 10000 BC, but if they've been conquered many times over, the paper is pointless.Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Sensationalism
The United States of America is the oldest democracy (or is it republic?) in the world.
not quite
just one link I found
http://www.polamjournal.com/Library/APHistory/facts/facts.html
in a way that is true, but then how do we define democracy?
does it start when only certain people can vote or when everyone can vote?
were not talking about democracies, were talking about the most continuous democracies. Those that have withstood the test of time. Poland has been conquered again and again. It's not the oldest nor is it the longest lasting.
ok, then take a look at isle of manOriginally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Dari
well, Akhnaten proclaimed Egypt to be the world's first democracy, but how many times has it been run over since? My point is ours is the longest continuous. The Poles could've made that claim in 10000 BC, but if they've been conquered many times over, the paper is pointless.Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Sensationalism
The United States of America is the oldest democracy (or is it republic?) in the world.
not quite
just one link I found
http://www.polamjournal.com/Library/APHistory/facts/facts.html
in a way that is true, but then how do we define democracy?
does it start when only certain people can vote or when everyone can vote?
were not talking about democracies, were talking about the most continuous democracies. Those that have withstood the test of time. Poland has been conquered again and again. It's not the oldest nor is it the longest lasting.
de info http://www.tynwald.org.im/tynwald/main.shtml
Originally posted by: Czar
ok, then take a look at isle of manOriginally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Dari
well, Akhnaten proclaimed Egypt to be the world's first democracy, but how many times has it been run over since? My point is ours is the longest continuous. The Poles could've made that claim in 10000 BC, but if they've been conquered many times over, the paper is pointless.Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Sensationalism
The United States of America is the oldest democracy (or is it republic?) in the world.
not quite
just one link I found
http://www.polamjournal.com/Library/APHistory/facts/facts.html
in a way that is true, but then how do we define democracy?
does it start when only certain people can vote or when everyone can vote?
were not talking about democracies, were talking about the most continuous democracies. Those that have withstood the test of time. Poland has been conquered again and again. It's not the oldest nor is it the longest lasting.
de info http://www.tynwald.org.im/tynwald/main.shtml
It doesn't matter what you say - this question always just gets narrowed down and narrowed down to make the answer the US, as I was trying to say earlier.
To be honest though, it is a hard question to answer, as the meaning of democracy and republic, etc, has changed.
Many in New Zealand, for example, consider their country to be the oldest democracy, as they institued universal suffrage in 1893. After all, they say, how can a country be a democracy when some people only have 3/5s of a vote, and women have no vote at all?
Originally posted by: Czar
ok, then take a look at isle of manOriginally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Dari
well, Akhnaten proclaimed Egypt to be the world's first democracy, but how many times has it been run over since? My point is ours is the longest continuous. The Poles could've made that claim in 10000 BC, but if they've been conquered many times over, the paper is pointless.Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Sensationalism
The United States of America is the oldest democracy (or is it republic?) in the world.
not quite
just one link I found
http://www.polamjournal.com/Library/APHistory/facts/facts.html
in a way that is true, but then how do we define democracy?
does it start when only certain people can vote or when everyone can vote?
were not talking about democracies, were talking about the most continuous democracies. Those that have withstood the test of time. Poland has been conquered again and again. It's not the oldest nor is it the longest lasting.
de info http://www.tynwald.org.im/tynwald/main.shtml
that's not a country...Countries man, countries. I can show you villages that've had councils for thousands but they were still ruled by some king or queen. I also showed you Akhnaten, who ruled Egypt 2000 years before the Isle of Man got their thing going.
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Czar
ok, then take a look at isle of manOriginally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Dari
well, Akhnaten proclaimed Egypt to be the world's first democracy, but how many times has it been run over since? My point is ours is the longest continuous. The Poles could've made that claim in 10000 BC, but if they've been conquered many times over, the paper is pointless.Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Sensationalism
The United States of America is the oldest democracy (or is it republic?) in the world.
not quite
just one link I found
http://www.polamjournal.com/Library/APHistory/facts/facts.html
in a way that is true, but then how do we define democracy?
does it start when only certain people can vote or when everyone can vote?
were not talking about democracies, were talking about the most continuous democracies. Those that have withstood the test of time. Poland has been conquered again and again. It's not the oldest nor is it the longest lasting.
de info http://www.tynwald.org.im/tynwald/main.shtml
that's not a country...Countries man, countries. I can show you villages that've had councils for thousands but they were still ruled by some king or queen. I also showed you Akhnaten, who ruled Egypt 2000 years before the Isle of Man got their thing going.
hehe, well isle of man makes its own laws, the UK handles foreign and defense issues
but then again, what about the British? with their 1215 number
or Switzerland with their 1291 number http://www.swissnews.ch/swisshistory.php
Well, thats an interesting one. The Isle of Man is technically a country - its not part of the UK, and its not part of the EU, but the UK handles defence and foreign affairs. Although, occasionally it has handled its own foreign diplomacy when it and the UK have differed on issues. Its just one of those muddled situations which we brits specialise in.
In factm I'm sure I read somewhere that its still technically at war with both Russia and Germany, but I'm pretty sure thats just an urban legend, like the English town that was missed off the peace accord at the end of the Crimean war, and was still at war with Russia till 1966.
hell, it was legal to kill turks in iceland up untill 1995 when their national handball team refused to compete in the world championship which was held here unless we changed the laws
The law was set when slavers who we thought were from Turkey came to the country and took about 400 people and sold them to slavery all over europe. Later we found out they were from north africa
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