Europe fighting back

[FelixDeCat]

We'll all be muslim here in a few short decades. allahu akbar!

Sadly the average European has long given up to its insane leadership.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Lügenpost

Sadly the average European has long given up to its insane leadership (Merkel, etc) of capitulating to raging hoards bent on conquering, not on assimilation. Even worse its ILLEGAL to criticize immigrants or in Europe! So much for free speech.

Here is the average European these days:

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Enough to make it anywhere near his winning platform?

He doesn't have issues downplaying recent genocide committed by his nation, nor has he taken any significant action to reduce their xenophobic laws afaik.

 

[justoh]

Lügenpost

Stop moving the brown straw man goalposts, bigot. It's Lügepost.

 

[agent00f]

He doesn't have issues downplaying recent genocide committed by his nation, nor has he taken any significant action to reduce their xenophobic laws afaik.

That's par for course in japanese politics.

 

[agent00f]

Sadly the average European has long given up to its insane leadership (Merkel, etc) of capitulating to raging hoards bent on conquering, not on assimilation. Even worse its ILLEGAL to criticize immigrants or in Europe! So much for free speech.

Here is the average European these days:

"Them browns coming after our white womens".

 

[FelixDeCat]

lol

 

[Double Trouble]

Some observations from a Dutchman now living in the US. In the Netherlands, it's not like in the US where there are two parties, there are many parties. There are 150 seats in parliament, each party gets a number of seats in parliament based on the number of votes they get. Unless one party gets a majority of seats by itself (extremely unlikely), several parties have to join together to build a coalition majority and govern.

Rutte and his conservative party won the most seats (33), but took a step back from the last election where they won 41 seats. Wilders got the second most seats (20), with a slew of other parties following with smaller numbers. Most parties won't join in a coalition with Wilders, so even with the second highest number of seats he won't be part of the governing coalition, but with his strong showing he will have a lot of influence in parliament. Rutte and his party, essentially the Dutch equivalent of Republicans (more conservative than the other parties), moved significantly to the right during the campaign, adopting a lot of Wilders' anti-islam platform, just less blatant and controversial.

The big losers in this election were the labor party (equivalent to the Democrats). They went from second place with 38 seats last election to just 9 seats and complete irrelevance.

It will be interesting to see what coalition is formed to get the majority and govern, but make no mistake about it, there's been a big shift to the right this election cycle. Will also be interesting to see if we see a similar shift to the right in other countries in the EU in their upcoming elections.

 

[justoh]

Some observations from a Dutchman now living in the US. In the Netherlands, it's not like in the US where there are two parties, there are many parties. There are 150 seats in parliament, each party gets a number of seats in parliament based on the number of votes they get. Unless one party gets a majority of seats by itself (extremely unlikely), several parties have to join together to build a coalition majority and govern.

Rutte and his conservative party won the most seats (33), but took a step back from the last election where they won 41 seats. Wilders got the second most seats (20), with a slew of other parties following with smaller numbers. Most parties won't join in a coalition with Wilders, so even with the second highest number of seats he won't be part of the governing coalition, but with his strong showing he will have a lot of influence in parliament. Rutte and his party, essentially the Dutch equivalent of Republicans (more conservative than the other parties), moved significantly to the right during the campaign, adopting a lot of Wilders' anti-islam platform, just less blatant and controversial.

The big losers in this election were the labor party (equivalent to the Democrats). They went from second place with 38 seats last election to just 9 seats and complete irrelevance.

It will be interesting to see what coalition is formed to get the majority and govern, but make no mistake about it, there's been a big shift to the right this election cycle. Will also be interesting to see if we see a similar shift to the right in other countries in the EU in their upcoming elections.

Nice to know there's a silver lining. Maybe there's still a chance of preventing Europe from becoming halal on earth.

 

[FelixDeCat]

I've always wanted to visit the Netherlands.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

It will be interesting to see what coalition is formed to get the majority and govern, but make no mistake about it, there's been a big shift to the right this election cycle.

Not really, VVD lost more than CDA gained. D66 won too, but they're only slightly right of center.

The most probable coalitions will be more right wing than the current one though.

 

[WelshBloke]

I'm swiss. We're surrounded by these eu nutters. We will have to assimilate. I'm sure the us will fall as well, just later. One big happy caliphate.

About 5% of the population in Switzerland is Muslim isn't it?

 

[WelshBloke]

IMO France is more of a concern with regard to the chances of the far right than Germany is, but I guess my perception of Scotland vs the rest of the UK was incorrect (Scotland making the sensible choice of staying in the UK then the UK going full derp by voting brexit), so maybe anything goes?

It looks like Scotland might well end up leaving the UK and the EU!

 

[Flapdrol1337]

If scotland ever wants to leave the UK this is the best time I guess, might get a better deal with england distracted by EU negotiations.

 

[justoh]

About 5% of the population in Switzerland is Muslim isn't it?

Gosh. It's that high? At least few of them can vote, and it's notoriously difficult to obtain citizenship. Some American was recently denied because he wore track pants around town, violating cultural norms, and many Muslims are guilty of offenses even worse.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Sadly the average European has long given up to its insane leadership (Merkel, etc) of capitulating to raging hoards bent on conquering, not on assimilation. Even worse its ILLEGAL to criticize immigrants or in Europe! So much for free speech.

Here is the average European these days:

you do realize what we call rights, such as free speech, doesn't mean other countries have to abide by our constitution, right poseur?

 

[PokerGuy]

you do realize what we call rights, such as free speech, doesn't mean other countries have to abide by our constitution, right poseur?

Correct, our free speech rights don't extend to other countries. It's a valid observation though, that these countries with supposed free speech have criminalized criticism of groups based on feelings, so for all intents and purposes free speech is dead there.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Correct, our free speech rights don't extend to other countries. It's a valid observation though, that these countries with supposed free speech have criminalized criticism of groups based on feelings, so for all intents and purposes free speech is dead there.

was it a right, granted by some sort of document? or a supposition based on previous experience?

 

[justoh]

Correct, our free speech rights don't extend to other countries. It's a valid observation though, that these countries with supposed free speech have criminalized criticism of groups based on feelings, so for all intents and purposes free speech is dead there.

Yeah, if this was a swiss forum I suppose I could conceivably get into trouble, and maybe even still. Please don't report me, gais. And it's quite obtuse to reference the US constitution in this context, since the UN is also supposed to guarantee free speech, and so do the various nation state constitutions; or you know, where nation states still exist: mainly just here. The US protection is just more liberal, and the people take it much more seriously (the best thing about the US - and how it should be everywhere).

 

[MajinCry]

You 'Mericans think that Europe is some Orwellian nightmare? Might be time to turn off Infowars.

 

[desura]

The annoying thing is that we really don't need more people. I mean, there is talk about automation destroying jobs--so why do we need more people again?

The real problem is the Muslim birthrate. It is too high. There needs to be some way to incentivize abortion among them.

This is what annoys me the most about pro-life politics. The best way to curtail illegal immigration is to abort them in their home countries.

 

[agent00f]

Not on topic, ie, troll.; see agent00f.

No, it's pretty much the only thing the klan "thinks" about on this topic. Que all evidence above.

 

[cytg111]

It will be interesting to see what coalition is formed to get the majority and govern, but make no mistake about it, there's been a big shift to the right this election cycle. Will also be interesting to see if we see a similar shift to the right in other countries in the EU in their upcoming elections.

- Exactly, and to my mind, that is the sensible way to go about it. We have an immigration problem, okay, lets address that. Lets NOT go full retard(Wilders)! We are seeing the same movement in Denmark, that which was once taboo is not anymore, established parties is having an open discussion about these things.
This way is our ticket out! Address the concerns of the scared and angry and do it in a constructive manner. Please. For the love of god please.

 

[1prophet]

The only response to a crazy man is your own crazy man?

The proper response is to hold EVERYONE to the same standard and rules when it comes to free speech, women's rights, gay rights, separation of religion from state, and all the other liberal policies the west is known for,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6hZLZpfuyQ

you don't cover up, apologize for, and excuse primitive backwards behaviors of one religion while openly criticizing those similar beliefs of other similar religions because of some political correct feel good bullshit which actually emboldens the right wing parties instead of negating them.

The way some of our supposed liberals on these forums defend and apologize for the actions and beliefs of the religious right of the middle east makes them no different than the Trumpettes defending and apologizing for their dear leader's gaffes and blunders that even a child can see through.

 

[Victorian Gray]

The proper response is to hold EVERYONE to the same standard and rules when it comes to free speech, women's rights, gay rights, separation of religion from state, and all the other liberal policies the west is known for,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6hZLZpfuyQ

you don't cover up, apologize for, and excuse primitive backwards behaviors of one religion while openly criticizing those similar beliefs of other similar religions because of some political correct feel good bullshit which actually emboldens the right wing parties instead of negating them.

The way some of our supposed liberals on these forums defend and apologize for the actions and beliefs of the religious right of the middle east makes them no different than the Trumpettes defending and apologizing for their dear leader's gaffes and blunders that even a child can see through.

Some examples?