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Eugenics....

DaShen

Lifer
I started thinking about this when somebody I know mentioned how mixed raced 1 generation offspring tend to excel very well in a lot of areas. Tiger Woods (golf and sports), Phoebe Cates, Kristen Kreuk, China Chow (beauty)... Even when I was in school, many of the "mixed" children did really well at something. Whether it was sports, beauty, academics... you name it.

Biologically, every different race has evolved in some way stronger than another race.

Africans, for the most part, have evolved much better physically than any other race. Chances are, Africans would be the ones who would be strong enough as a large group to colonize another planet without as much technological help. Asians have evolved more in mathematical/visual mental abilities, but lack almost any physical prowess whatsoever and sometimes verbal mental prowess as well (I mean other races were barred from learning some martial arts before because some asians were afraid of the implications :roll: ). Some things can be attributed to culture, but as culture influenced who procreated because better cultural ideal qualities allowed for more success in the culture, the people who had certain characteristics tended to spread there characteristics more. For instance, the Chinese language requires a lot of memorization and visual and tonal recognition, anyone proficient in it would do better in society. Thus the people with better mental capacity for visual/mathmatics/memory/music were greatly more successful in Chinese society. Even some races tend to be naturally built for certain harsh environments. Not racist to say so, but they are gross generalities that have to be taken with a grain of salt. It is just pointing out the good qualities in certain races.

So when you mix races, if the dominant genetics mix right, the first generation of offspring will grab most of the dominant qualities in each race (the ones that have been bred into the races by natural selection, or have been idealized by the culture, and have become dominant). Subsequent offspring will dilute the qualities, unless you do eugenics (which in and of itself has some moral implications). It could be done in a good way though to further benefit mankind. But that is only if mankind as a whole accepts that vision. Otherwise it has too many moral dilemmas.

Also, society must recognize the great, amazing qualities in all races and not just single out a few races.

Hopefully, this isn't too controversial. If it is, then I apologize, but I am hoping for a cool conversation.
 
This is not going to be pretty, I can assure you.

I'll just state that I believe there are good genes and bad genes and that everyone is not created equal.
 
I hope I die, and my blood line dies off before this becomes a serious problem. And that's saying something, for someone who has ties to the Dutch Royal Family going back to 1621. I would rather see the entire legacy of my family die then watch a war on an unimaginable scale due to eugenics.
 
Umm where is your quote from?? I think they need to go back and take bio 101 again... Also, saying things like "Not racist to say so, but they are gross generalities that have to be taken with a grain of salt." What generatlities are you talking about? You should at least have some sort of number to back up a claim like this, just saying what you think you perceive after 15 minutes of thought on a topic is really not an effective argument...

/edit On a side note, I now believe I am your evil twin (or is the the other way around?!)
 
Only if I get to choose.

Actually, I find the notion about negroid genetics being hardier under a wider range of harsh conditions to be an interesting one. Wouldn't mind seeing actual studies though.
I'm not so sure that culture plays as important a role as hypothesized, but again, it would be interesting to see this explored more directly.
Of course, depending on how you read it, one might also see it as a call to deport all black people to Mars, so who knows 😀
 
i think that some races/nationalities excel at different things... more than other races/nationalities.

it does not make one race/nationality better than another, just different.
 
Originally posted by: DaiShan
Umm where is your quote from?? I think they need to go back and take bio 101 again... Also, saying things like "Not racist to say so, but they are gross generalities that have to be taken with a grain of salt." What generatlities are you talking about? You should at least have some sort of number to back up a claim like this, just saying what you think you perceive after 15 minutes of thought on a topic is really not an effective argument...

/edit On a side note, I now believe I am your evil twin (or is the the other way around?!)

I just quoted that from myself actually. But it was on a IM. 😉
 
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
i think that some races/nationalities excel at different things... more than other races/nationalities.

it does not make one race/nationality better than another, just different.

Yes... I totally agree. The difference is that I think a lot of those qualities could be combined to make a more "evolved" type of person. "Gattaca" here we come. Eugenics can have some major moral implications. And I don't think that genetics make you successful, but it does help.
 
I'll take the hit. I volunteer to sleep with Phoebe Cates, Kristen Kreuk, and China Chow. I know I know, but somebody has to do it.
 
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
i think that some races/nationalities excel at different things... more than other races/nationalities.

it does not make one race/nationality better than another, just different.

Different but equal?
 
Just by the way, race is a total human invention and has no basis in reality/DNA etc. Also.. aren't we just all human? :| Isn't freedom to do what you want beautiful? Instead of being bred like animals..
 
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
i think that some races/nationalities excel at different things... more than other races/nationalities.

it does not make one race/nationality better than another, just different.

Different but equal?

Pretty much equal in evolution. We all came from the same source and time frame. Just some races are more adapted to certain situations while other races are adapted to other situations. To say one race is lesser evolved than another is a wrong estimation.

Of course some races, have been put through so much that they are more resistant to human factors. People that survived the holocaust for example. But all races have evolved in the same time frame, just adapted to the environment differently.
 
Armed with the knowledge I gained from this thread, I'm now ready to begin breeding my army of african-asian supergolfers!

/evil laugh
 
Originally posted by: DaShen
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
i think that some races/nationalities excel at different things... more than other races/nationalities.

it does not make one race/nationality better than another, just different.

Different but equal?

Pretty much equal in evolution. We all came from the same source and time frame. Just some races are more adapted to certain situations while other races are adapted to other situations. To say one race is lesser evolved than another is a wrong estimation.

Of course some races, have been put through so much that they are more resistant to human factors. People that survived the holocaust for example. But all races have evolved in the same time frame, just adapted to the environment differently.
But would you say, since we live in a modern world, some races are genetically stacked better for current conditions?
 
Originally posted by: Taejin
Just by the way, race is a total human invention and has no basis in reality/DNA etc. Also.. aren't we just all human? :| Isn't freedom to do what you want beautiful? Instead of being bred like animals..

Even a 3% difference in DNA can mean a whole species change. So races are very much different, but equal. To say differently is to ignore the facts.

You addressed a major problem with Eugenics. Free will is important and Eugenics takes away part of the choice. That is why I said it would have to be a collaborative effort by the world. That is one of the reasons why there is so much of a moral dilemma with Eugenics.
 
Originally posted by: Taejin
Just by the way, race is a total human invention and has no basis in reality/DNA etc. Also.. aren't we just all human? :| Isn't freedom to do what you want beautiful? Instead of being bred like animals..
You're fooling yourself if you think we're not animals. Don't let our cognizance that seperates us from the baser beasts fool you, it's just there to assure that we're the dominant species on the planet.
 
Originally posted by: tweakmm
Originally posted by: DaShen
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
i think that some races/nationalities excel at different things... more than other races/nationalities.

it does not make one race/nationality better than another, just different.

Different but equal?

Pretty much equal in evolution. We all came from the same source and time frame. Just some races are more adapted to certain situations while other races are adapted to other situations. To say one race is lesser evolved than another is a wrong estimation.

Of course some races, have been put through so much that they are more resistant to human factors. People that survived the holocaust for example. But all races have evolved in the same time frame, just adapted to the environment differently.
But would you say, since we live in a modern worldm some races are genetically stacked better for current conditions?

Yes, very true. Since IQ and technical/mathematical skills is so highly valued nowadays, some races have a better chance of being successful in today's society. But as in the future of the human race, some races are not as suited physically, or in other aspects, for that. A genetic mix is much better.

For a more diverse genetic group "mixed" races have the edge....

So if by any chance you see or know of an Asian Cyclist that lives in Texas that you were interested in. Don't wait, go for it. j/k j/k 😉 <Russell Peters revised>
 
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