I wouldn't give a crap if its small things like shareware, not worth the trouble to be recognized as a "tightass" in your boss's eyes, and possibly be on the "hit list" when layoffs comes around.
Now if its something big, like over-reporting income in fianancial statements, then I would definately not do it.
Now if its something big, like over-reporting income in fianancial statements, then I would definately not do it.
Good point, at a large company a manager asking you to do something illegal that could harm the company would not be acceptable.
At a small company, you could first try pointing out that all it takes is one disgruntled employee and you have a BSA software audit with very steep penalties (was it $50K or $500K?).
I'd refuse, but then I hope to never work at a company that employs people sleazy enough to do this.
So it's OK to steal from small companies, that need the money a lot more than Microsoft?
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
I'd play dumb and ask him over email what exactly he wanted installed illegally (along with an advisory that you'll only do it after you get the email back). Then, kick back, continue killing time on ATOT, and make sure to flash copies of the email come review (and raise) time.
This isn't illegal, is just non contractual. There is no law against that, it is just a breach of contract.
But I think that if he ask you to work over hours and not paying you is illegal
Calin
But I think that if he ask you to work over hours and not paying you is illegal
Calin
oogabooga
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i wouldn't install it knowingly violating a software liscense
Also : My friend who worked at a convinience store told me one of the big reasons that they give stuff out to cops is so that cops will come around that store. Cops are tired, want coffee and donuts... stop by the store. People see the pig-err police officers at the store, and it 1) makes people think the store is a safe place, and 2) discourages criminals...
(i kid about the pig comment, please don't beat me down LAPD style )
Also : My friend who worked at a convinience store told me one of the big reasons that they give stuff out to cops is so that cops will come around that store. Cops are tired, want coffee and donuts... stop by the store. People see the pig-err police officers at the store, and it 1) makes people think the store is a safe place, and 2) discourages criminals...
(i kid about the pig comment, please don't beat me down LAPD style
)
IMO, it's a matter of illegal vs immoral. I'd do something illegal (ie: installing pirated software), so long as it was not immoral (ie: raiding pension funds, telling lies to clients, etc)
Kelemvor
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If your company has a Legal deparment, you need to take it to them immediately. Big corporations always have something like this but smaller ones don't. If you do it and it gets caught, it's not the person who installed them that isliable, it's the company. So I'd go ahead and do it.
What we do with AdAware is I installed it one time on a network drive (any shard drive would work like a Flash Drive, etc) and we just access it from there any time anyone brings in a laptop with spyware issues. Technically we don't install it on any of the user's computers so...
What we do with AdAware is I installed it one time on a network drive (any shard drive would work like a Flash Drive, etc) and we just access it from there any time anyone brings in a laptop with spyware issues. Technically we don't install it on any of the user's computers so...
Why aren't you supporting a company that provides you a valuable service you admit to using often?
JetsFanatic
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have him put it in writing that you are to install the software and that he takes total responsibility for the license issue. have him sign it in blood:evil:
This situation is very tricky. While it seems minor just to install the software and be done with it, I question whether your boss will just keep asking you to do illegal things. If you go through with the installation of the software, it's kind of hard to tell what you'll be asked to do next that is illegal.
funboy6942
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Black mail!
When I worked on the RR my boss got picked to take a random drug test and was worried he would fail. Since I was the only drug free idiot on the payroll I said I would do it if he co-signed for a truck to pull my 35' 5th wheel. Well needless to say he passed his drug test
Install it but like a Don tell him one day you will have to call on him to do a favor and he cannot turn down such favor.
When I worked on the RR my boss got picked to take a random drug test and was worried he would fail. Since I was the only drug free idiot on the payroll I said I would do it if he co-signed for a truck to pull my 35' 5th wheel. Well needless to say he passed his drug test
Install it but like a Don tell him one day you will have to call on him to do a favor and he cannot turn down such favor.
In truly important things, I would refuse and probably turn him in...in fact, I've done exactly that...three different times, one of which caused the closing of the company. In your situation, I don't think it's that big of a deal.
is it such a big deal over relatively minor software?? jeesh. its not like you're pirating software - you're just not installing it according to the license agreement per se. say your office is just a collective of home users and your set.
OK well first take out a pice of a paper and write a memo to yourself. Explanning that you were forced to install illegal software. In the memo Be very specific and if you think the situation is serious sign it and make a copy and certified mailed the originail to yourself. Leave the certified mail unopend so it shows that it was legally dated instead of later on fabrications. After that you need to inform your bosss that what you are doing is wrong and it is your reponsilibity to report the facts. Off course dont trample while you state just do it out of professional duty. If that fails write yourself anouther memo and redo the certified mail process.
I would say that after doing that you have cover your base completely. But dont let me oppinion be the word of law, if you feel there is point for state it on anandtech, you should proabbly consult a lawyer to the legality of the issues. But remember the point is about covering your bases. In case one day you get fired and sued by your place of employmenet you will be much happier that you have protected yourself.
I think it is safe to assume that a boss that would ask you to install illegal software would also deny fault should push come to shove. Be perpare to defend yourself and avoid the worse possiblilites. Risk manamgnet buddy, try to mimize your own risks.
On another note, I have been request to lie to auditor before. In that case, I offered my regisnation instead of decite. Suprisingly managment back down and I am still working there today but there is not a sigle day that i fell like its time for me to quite. LOL Suprisingly they still want me around.
I would say that after doing that you have cover your base completely. But dont let me oppinion be the word of law, if you feel there is point for state it on anandtech, you should proabbly consult a lawyer to the legality of the issues. But remember the point is about covering your bases. In case one day you get fired and sued by your place of employmenet you will be much happier that you have protected yourself.
I think it is safe to assume that a boss that would ask you to install illegal software would also deny fault should push come to shove. Be perpare to defend yourself and avoid the worse possiblilites. Risk manamgnet buddy, try to mimize your own risks.
On another note, I have been request to lie to auditor before. In that case, I offered my regisnation instead of decite. Suprisingly managment back down and I am still working there today but there is not a sigle day that i fell like its time for me to quite. LOL Suprisingly they still want me around.
i work at a large enough Corp. that we have an ethics board, no boss would suggest doing something like that as they would end up being fired by the ethics board (if the subordinate reported them)
bummer dude, try to find another job when the opportunity presents itself
bummer dude, try to find another job when the opportunity presents itself
This kind of thing went on all the time at my last company, my boss was always installing things we didn't have a license for. I got sick of it, because he'd never listen to what I said. I went as far as reporting them to the BSA, of course, nothing ever came of it.
ArmchairAthlete
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How much do I like the job?
If I already hated the job, and it wouldn't be too hard to get another one (or I already got an offer from another place) I would not do it.
If I already hated the job, and it wouldn't be too hard to get another one (or I already got an offer from another place) I would not do it.
lol when you said "illegal" I thought you meant like buying clients hookers and all kinds of fun stuff I didnt think you meant violating software licenses...lol
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