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BlancoNino

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Wow, I'm seeing some very poor reading comprehension here. I don't feel like going into the whole story about the guitar amp, but what I did I felt was morally correct. Just because it's technically illegal doesn't make it wrong. There was no way the school was going to be able to get that amp back nor could they have used it any longer. In fact the music teacher was asked about it later on and said "Oh, well I was just going to throw that stuff out anyway."

 

kogase

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I don't see a problem with stealing a stolen item, because you aren't really stealing it. I mean, it doesn't actually belong to the guy you're taking it from. Of course, in the end I'd have to agree with Sampson, there's no way to know for sure if that guy stole the bike.
 
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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: compnovice
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: mindmaniac
I got thinking about this earlier today when I was eating at taco bell earlier today. This kid pulled up on a really nice Trek road bike and didn't lock it up. It was sitting right next to the window and I could clearly see that the registration on it was scraped off. There wouldn't have been time to get the police there before he left, but I thought if I took it from him would that have been wrong?

I bought a guitar amp from a guy who said he stole it from a school. I figure I bought it fair and square, but he was the one who stole it. I wound up selling it on ebay for 4x the amount I bought it :)

And you are fvking proud of it :disgust:

Oh give me a break. What I did was morally fine...but probably not illegal. There was no way in hell this amp was going to be returned and I doubt the school even noticed it was gone and would only make an issue of it.

Yeah, because, I mean, schools are really rolling in the dough these days aren't they?

At least you haven't tarnished your legacy of incredible stupidity that you've built up on here.
 

BlancoNino

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Another good question would be...

Are you allowed to steal back what somebody stole from you? Lets say you have a bike and it gets stolen...later on you walk by some house and see it in the backyard. You do some investigating and find out that it's the same serial number. Is it okay to steal it back?
 

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Originally posted by: kogase
I don't see a problem with stealing a stolen item, because you aren't really stealing it. I mean, it doesn't actually belong to the guy you're taking it from. Of course, in the end I'd have to agree with Sampson, there's no way to know for sure if that guy stole the bike.
What does Sampson know anyway. I say take it from the guy regardless....it's the same brand that Lance rides... :thumbsup:
 
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Originally posted by: kogase
I don't see a problem with stealing a stolen item, because you aren't really stealing it. I mean, it doesn't actually belong to the guy you're taking it from. Of course, in the end I'd have to agree with Sampson, there's no way to know for sure if that guy stole the bike.

In essence you're stealing from the original owner if you don't return it to them, because they're still the rightful owners.
 

DougK62

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: DougK62

Most people would find what you did to be a BIG moral red flag. And it was ABSOLUTELY illegal. Moron.


Your name is Doug and you have a female avatar. That's a BIG moral red flag. Besides, you don't even know the story of the guitar amp.

Since you're an obvious simpleton, I'll reiterate: Most people think that stealing is wrong. You stole something and your response is "well they probably didn't care". That's pathetic.

 

buzzsaw13

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Wow, I'm seeing some very poor reading comprehension here. I don't feel like going into the whole story about the guitar amp, but what I did I felt was morally correct. Just because it's technically illegal doesn't make it wrong. There was no way the school was going to be able to get that amp back nor could they have used it any longer. In fact the music teacher was asked about it later on and said "Oh, well I was just going to throw that stuff out anyway."

So you bought something with knowledge it was stolen, then you sold it for 4 times what you bought it for? Sounds morally wrong to me.
 
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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Another good question would be...

Are you allowed to steal back what somebody stole from you? Lets say you have a bike and it gets stolen...later on you walk by some house and see it in the backyard. You do some investigating and find out that it's the same serial number. Is it okay to steal it back?

Uh, thats not stealing because you're the rightful owner.
 

skrilla

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Originally posted by: SampSon
Mind your own business.

You're making many assumptions because of a scraped off serial number. The serial number on my trek is totally gone from years of abuse.
If you went and stole my bike because you assumed it was stolen due to a scraped off serial number, I would have a major problem that would be solved with a brick to your face.


Exactly.
 

BlancoNino

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Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
Yeah, because, I mean, schools are really rolling in the dough these days aren't they?

At least you haven't tarnished your legacy of incredible stupidity that you've built up on here.

Yeah, because, I mean, schools really need that 36 year old guitar amp that's been sitting in a closet for 15+ years (true story) that they were "just going to throw out anyway". Why take it back to the school and make a big issue out of something they were just going to toss? Yikes...common sense guys...
 

DougK62

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Wow, I'm seeing some very poor reading comprehension here. I don't feel like going into the whole story about the guitar amp, but what I did I felt was morally correct. Just because it's technically illegal doesn't make it wrong. There was no way the school was going to be able to get that amp back nor could they have used it any longer. In fact the music teacher was asked about it later on and said "Oh, well I was just going to throw that stuff out anyway."

There was NO WAY the school was going to get it back?! You had it in your possession - you could have done the right thing and taken it back to the school. Are you seriously this retarded?

 

smack Down

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Wow, I'm seeing some very poor reading comprehension here. I don't feel like going into the whole story about the guitar amp, but what I did I felt was morally correct. Just because it's technically illegal doesn't make it wrong. There was no way the school was going to be able to get that amp back nor could they have used it any longer. In fact the music teacher was asked about it later on and said "Oh, well I was just going to throw that stuff out anyway."

The right thing to do would have been to turn in the person selling stolen property.
 

kogase

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Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
Originally posted by: kogase
I don't see a problem with stealing a stolen item, because you aren't really stealing it. I mean, it doesn't actually belong to the guy you're taking it from. Of course, in the end I'd have to agree with Sampson, there's no way to know for sure if that guy stole the bike.

In essence you're stealing from the original owner if you don't return it to them, because they're still the rightful owners.

That's not the issue. You can attempt to find out who the original owner is after taking it, the question at hand is the morality of the actual taking.
 

BlancoNino

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Originally posted by: DougK62


Since you're an obvious simpleton, I'll reiterate: Most people think that stealing is wrong. You stole something and your response is "well they probably didn't care". That's pathetic.


Please go back and read my posts and correct this one, because what you stated was nothing that I said plus you intentionally left out the rest of my reasons.
 

Howard

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
Yeah, because, I mean, schools are really rolling in the dough these days aren't they?

At least you haven't tarnished your legacy of incredible stupidity that you've built up on here.

Yeah, because, I mean, schools really need that 36 year old guitar amp that's been sitting in a closet for 15+ years (true story) that they were "just going to throw out anyway". Why take it back to the school and make a big issue out of something they were just going to toss? Yikes...common sense guys...
blah blah blah justify justify blah blah

Dude steals property from a school, you buy stolen property knowing it's stolen, you sell stolen property for a profit. What else is there to know?

Who told you how old the amp was and how long it was sitting in the closet?
 

BlancoNino

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Originally posted by: smack Down

The right thing to do would have been to turn in the person selling stolen property.

That's making a big issue out of it though. They said they were just going to toss it anyway...so that way everyone wins. If i were to have brought it back to the school, it could have made a whole big issue of everything and in the end I could have lost my money.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: SampSon
Mind your own business.

You're making many assumptions because of a scraped off serial number. The serial number on my trek is totally gone from years of abuse.
If you went and stole my bike because you assumed it was stolen due to a scraped off serial number, I would have a major problem that would be solved with a brick to your face.

Agreed. If you aren't a cop then it's none of your damned business.
 

BlancoNino

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Originally posted by: Howard
blah blah blah justify justify blah blah

Dude steals property from a school, you buy stolen property knowing it's stolen, you sell stolen property for a profit. What else is there to know?

Who told you how old the amp was and how long it was sitting in the closet?

Dude steals property from a school, dude gives property to a friend who gives it to another friend who sells it to me. I have no idea who took it, but the amp was a 1970 model and it had been sitting in their closet for that long according to the staff.
 

DougK62

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: DougK62


Since you're an obvious simpleton, I'll reiterate: Most people think that stealing is wrong. You stole something and your response is "well they probably didn't care". That's pathetic.


Please go back and read my posts and correct this one, because what you stated was nothing that I said plus you intentionally left out the rest of my reasons.

Oh yeah, I forgot the "it was super old" and "it was just sitting in a closet" and "I didn't steal it - someone else did". Those all just make you look like an even bigger ****** bag.

 

buzzsaw13

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: Howard
blah blah blah justify justify blah blah

Dude steals property from a school, you buy stolen property knowing it's stolen, you sell stolen property for a profit. What else is there to know?

Who told you how old the amp was and how long it was sitting in the closet?

Dude steals property from a school, dude gives property to a friend who gives it to another friend who sells it to me. I have no idea who took it, but the amp was a 1970 model and it had been sitting in their closet for that long according to the staff.

Doesn't change the fact that you bought stolen property
 

TuxDave

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: smack Down

The right thing to do would have been to turn in the person selling stolen property.

That's making a big issue out of it though. They said they were just going to toss it anyway...so that way everyone wins. If i were to have brought it back to the school, it could have made a whole big issue of everything and in the end I could have lost my money.

If you're worried about making a big issue and losing your money, it sounds like 'whether or not it's morally right' wasn't on the top of your concern list. Face it, you've been in denial and have been rationalizing it to yourself for a while into believing what you did was ok. Bottom line, buying stolen goods with the knowledge that it was stolen is not right.
 

BlancoNino

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Originally posted by: DougK62
Oh yeah, I forgot the "it was super old" and "it was just sitting in a closet" and "I didn't steal it - someone else did". Those all just make you look like an even bigger ****** bag.

So in the end I was too lazy to go through all the proper procedure of returning it to the school (that I didn't attend anymore), talking to staff, blah blah...."You can keep the amp we were just going to toss it anyway" blah blah "Do you know who took it? No? Okay" blah blah.

Who cares?

ATTENTION TO ALL THOSE WHO KEEP TELLING ME I BOUGHT STOLEN PROPERTY:

I KNOW I BOUGHT STOLEN PROPERTY! THE AMP IS GONE. WHAT I DID, I DID...THAT WAS YEARS AGO, NOBODY SEEMED TO CARE SO I DIDNT EITHER...WHY MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF THIS!?


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Because you do not seem to care that it was wrong.

You knew that it was stolen and chose to ignore the fact.

We do not condone FRAUD or piracy here at AT. What you have admitted to is just as bad and you continue to deny that fact.

That denial has provided you with a boarding ticket to the SS Garbage Scow.

All aboard for a week long cruise.

 
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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: smack Down

The right thing to do would have been to turn in the person selling stolen property.

That's making a big issue out of it though. They said they were just going to toss it anyway...so that way everyone wins. If i were to have brought it back to the school, it could have made a whole big issue of everything and in the end I could have lost my money.

So now its the school's fault that you were stupid enough to buy stolen goods?

Hell at the very least you could've donated half of your profit to the school. You still would've been out ahead and not be a total douchebag.