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Epox 8KHA+-Geforce 4 Petition

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Please take the time to sign the petition in reference to the problems 8KHA+ owners are experiencing. It may be the only way to get results from Epox and please pass the URL on to everyone and every site you're a member of.
Sign here.
 
Don't forget to include the MSI motherboards, (and possible Asus), as they too have same.
Better yet, wait until VT fixes the GF4 cards mounting problem, then the GF4 will fit in all boards like it should.
 


<< Don't forget to include the MSI motherboards, (and possible Asus), as they too have same.
Better yet, wait until VT fixes the GF4 cards mounting problem, then the GF4 will fit in all boards like it should. >>


It is not just VT. The Epox doesn't conform to AGP 2.0 standards. As for MSI it has no bearing on me as I own the Epox.
 
thats too bad about the gf4...however, by the time i buy a gf4 i'll be getting a different mb too...actually, i think i am going to sell my whole set up to get in on the p4 1.6a deal!!
 
I'm curious to see if the 8k3a board will do this too, I noticed there is one capacitor in about the same place, but not 3 like the 8kha+
 
can someone please set up a link to confirm this, it isn't that i don't believe this is possible or true, just want a hard copy so i can show my friend how FVCKED i am for buying this new board and braggin how good of a deal it is....guess the last laugh is on me


leeland
 
I`ve been reading reports that the MSI GF4 Ti 4600 fits fine on the Epox 8KHA+ ,they say it`s close to the capacitors but fits ok,anybody else care to comment on the MSI or other GF4 brands?


Btw it`s only the Epox 8KHA+ boards that have the problem,(not all Epox 8KHA+ boards) I`ve not seen or read any other confirmed board brands that have the same problem.

So it would seem it`s just the Epox board that`s out of AGP2 spec.
 
Mem,

I have the PNY GF4 Ti4600 (I think it's made by MSI) and it clears the offending capacitor by a few millimeters.
 
Eymar thanks,it`s good that some GF4 Ti cards fit like the MSI one 🙂.

Yep I also read the PNY is made by MSI so that would make sense since I`ve also heard reports of that card fitting ok as well.

🙂
 


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<< Don't forget to include the MSI motherboards, (and possible Asus), as they too have same.
Better yet, wait until VT fixes the GF4 cards mounting problem, then the GF4 will fit in all boards like it should. >>


It is not just VT. The Epox doesn't conform to AGP 2.0 standards. As for MSI it has no bearing on me as I own the Epox. >>



So you own the Epox. But I doubt you own the GF4, so what bearing does that have on you now?
Seems like most posts at forums complaining about this "so called problem", are from people
that don't even have the board or the problem. Yes, I do believe that there may be a VT revision
of the GF4 that fits badly, but based on reports, all those that have been getting the VT cards now,
say that they do indeed fit. Why don't you just wait until you get a card, then go from there?

There are many, many more reports of the VT, MSI and PNY GF4 cards fitting in the Epox than there
are of a couple VT GF4's not fitting. Also, the majority of sites reviewing the GF4 used the Epox 8kha+
in part of their tests. Even if the tested GF4 was a reference design that "VT swayed from", it would
seem that with all those testing, and with the huge popularity of the Epox, VT screwed up. If a fitting
problem was noticed by the review sites, this would have been one of the first things they mentioned.
But it wasn't, as it is NOT AN ISSUE. Based on price and release, who has the most responsiblity, the
$59 delivered Epox board (newegg refurb), or the $300 GF4 1st version?

One last point. The Epox has proven to be one of the best boards for the power user. So why bring
up the VT GF4 board to go with it? That would be almost like using a Duron in the 8kha+ instead of an XP.
Geez, while the VT boards work, they are at the bottom tier when it comes to power users. Read the
reports. Seems like many users are having to lower the FSB in order for the VT GF4 to work. Going from
146fsb prior to VT, to 140fsb after getting VT, is not uncommon. No thanks. I'll keep my $59 Epox MB
with it's 200MHz fsb, and get a different video card. Try overclocking the VT. Falls short when compared
to other manufactuers. For a couple dollars more, a Gainward or even the MSI board, is a much better
choice. Even PNY makes boards as good or better than VT.
BTW, I own VT boards because I am cheap. Wish I could have kept the GS's I tested..
But I can't complain if it won't work with previous parts.
That's why I don't go to Win XP. It doesn't work with all the previous parts. (such as NU2001, MBM, etc).
Maybe we should Petition MS....... It sounds just as stupid.............
 
Looks like Epox have an answer to the capacitor/GF4 problem,



<< However according to the real experiences of using the selling DDR modules in the market, the power consumption is much lower than it was reported. In fact one 1500&igrave;f/6.3V, LSR capacitors is enough to handle it. In EPoX internal testing, the stability and overclockability is still very high without any influences.?

By case users has difficulty in installing VisionTek GF4 Ti4600 graphic card on EPoX EP-8KHA+ and EP-8KHA, the first solution will be removing the CE6 capacitor. If users are not experienced in solder iron, they can use pliers to remove this component. If users are still confused with it or have any questions, they can contact any EPoX branch office in worldwide." >>




Link .
 
Snagged this from aoaforums.com


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Dear Users,


Since March 1, 2002 here at EPoX USA we have been busily working to find out the cause of the problems between the capacitors on the 8KHA(+) and those on the Visiontek GeForce 4 Ti4600. As of today (March 7, 2002) we are prepared to offer this explanation of the cause of the problem and the following solution. First off we?d like to take the time to thank our customers that took time out of their day to let us know of the problem. Here at EPoX customer satisfaction is our number one priority. EPoX?s R/D department during the creation of the 8KHA+ decided that the stability of the DDR memory during over clocking was of utmost importance thus the reason for the numerous capacitors. That?s one of the reasons why the 8KHA+ has much a great overclocking performance. At the time of design, no Video cards had any mechanical issues nor did it have a problem with any video cards in the foreseeable future. Now almost a full year after the final design of the 8KHA(+) was set we have started to have a minor conflict.


Testing with some of the GeForce 4 Ti4600s in our labs has pointed to a problem in which your Ti 4600 card could potentially be damaged if inserted improperly or under force. We would advise all 8KHA(+) owners to use utmost caution when inserting video cards that match that description. Also after testing, we have concluded that there is no significant problem or issue with the motherboard capacitor and the video card capacitor touching. If you own an EPoX 8KHA(+) and it has a definite conflict in which you can not insert your video card there are several solutions available. The preferred solution is to contact your nearest EPoX location. The other solution is to take it to a certified computer technician where they can remove the offending capacitor. It is not recommended that you do this procedure yourself since if done incorrectly it could damage your motherboard and/or your own safety.


We are currently working with manufacturers that do not have this issue and will promote heavily and give all of our EPoX users a chance to buy a G Force 4 Ti 4600 at a lower price.


As always here at EPoX we are glad you have let us know your comments and your concerns with our product. We are glad to be your motherboard of choice and look forward to providing all your future motherboard needs.

Samuel Kang

Marketing / Product Manager
Production Department
North American Operation
EPoX International, Inc. USA

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Although I posted this in another thread, I don't want this to go unnoticed:

Though I don't have an 8KHA+ to try this on, if someone is intersted in soldering on their board this might work:

Panasonic sells two 10V 1200uF caps from the same line, one that is 12.5x15mm another that is 10x20mm. (P/Ns EEU-FC1A122S and EEU-FC1A122 respectively)

What might have happened (just speculating here), is that they went into production with the S suffix but due to supply they crossed the non-S suffix part in. Digikey has both of these caps (P/N P10227-ND and P10226-ND respectively) with the shorter cap being $1.13ea where as the taller is $0.99ea

The mod: Buy the shorter caps, desolder the tall caps (noting polarity), solder in the shorter caps (w/ the correct polarity), enjoy the TI-4600 goodness.

Might be cheaper and easier than shipping the boards back to Epox

 
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