Epic Fail Wikileaks

[BoberFett]

Cry more, LegendInYourOwnMind.

 

[LegendKiller]

Cry more, LegendInYourOwnMind.

Be an immature utopian idiot a bit more. Naif.

Tell me, how's Immanutjob and Kim Jong Ill around the campfire? Do you all sing kumbaya while in a big mantrain?

 

[Duder1no]

Hooray for wikileaks.

Lol at the deluded brainwashed dumbasses talking shit about wikileaks.

 

[Nebor]

I have yet to understand why people think that releasing our secrets is a great idea.

Do you guys live in some fantasy land where the US has no enemies or allies? Do you really think George Washington would have advocated releasing all of his communications between himself and France to Britain? Or would have Jefferson or Adams done the same?

The state must have secrets and the people should understand that there is oversight in Congress.

Having open kimono with these and thinking it is "right" is simply being a naive little prick.

The traitor should be hung and any Wikileaks people under US jurisdiction should be tried for espionage and treason.

This isn't a goddamn game of chutes and ladders. The real world is full of people who hate us and would love nothing more than see us fall. Grow up.

:thumbsup:

 

[Lifted]

This isn't a goddamn game of chutes and ladders. The real world is full of people who hate us and would love nothing more than see us fall. Grow up.

LOL

Must have some bad ventilation in that basement as you appear to be suffering from a severe lack of oxygen to your brain.

 

[LegendKiller]

LOL

Must have some bad ventilation in that basement as you appear to be suffering from a severe lack of oxygen to your brain.

If up were down in your world perhaps, but from my 15th floor view, an ant like you cannot possibly fathom the realities of the world. You don't even try. You live in your angsty computer geek world thinking that everything should revolve around your petty and myopic viewpoints of the world.

Again, the world is full of shitty people. Releasing our state secrets to them in the name of full disclosure is simply "good guy" GI Joe "fair play" bullshit. It works in your little utopian vision of everybody getting along in the world, but in reality, it's moronic and childish.

 

[Bignate603]

I love how everyone is mad at the person leaking the info but not at the people who are responsible for doing the horrid crap in the leaked info...aka governement.

If they were leaking the stuff in a controlled manner to highlight the problems while protecting the innocent I'd applaud them. Leaking junk wholesale without regard to the innocent people that could be harmed, or similarly not protecting the information they have so someone could easily steal it, is unforgivable on their part.

Releasing things without regard to what's in them harms their cause by turning the public against them, and also drives home the fact that these guys are arrogant amateurs. This isn't about making political change, this is a power trip.

 

[BoberFett]

Look out behind you LegendaryChickenshit! King Jong Il is gonna git ya!

 

[Icepick]

Why, for outing a bunch of people leaking classified documents? Assange isn't the one leaking the documents. If anything he's bringing to light all the problems our classified programs have and will end up resulting in better security in the long run.

This makes Julian Assange one of the biggest heroes out there, IMHO.

 

[BoberFett]

Assange himself is a figurehead and an attention whore, but Wikileaks on the whole is a great organization that I approve of.

 

[Nebor]

Assange himself is a figurehead and an attention whore, but Wikileaks on the whole is a great organization that I approve of.

And as a poster above said, it's resulted in an enormous increase in the security of classified materials without leaking anything too terribly damaging.

 

[BoberFett]

And as a poster above said, it's resulted in an enormous increase in the security of classified materials without leaking anything too terribly damaging.

For now.

 

[yhelothar]

I have yet to understand why people think that releasing our secrets is a great idea.

Do you guys live in some fantasy land where the US has no enemies or allies? Do you really think George Washington would have advocated releasing all of his communications between himself and France to Britain? Or would have Jefferson or Adams done the same?

The state must have secrets and the people should understand that there is oversight in Congress.

Having open kimono with these and thinking it is "right" is simply being a naive little prick.

The traitor should be hung and any Wikileaks people under US jurisdiction should be tried for espionage and treason.

This isn't a goddamn game of chutes and ladders. The real world is full of people who hate us and would love nothing more than see us fall. Grow up.

Cite me one leak that endangers our troops. From the looks of it, there aren't any and the leaks are about exposing corruption.

 

[Nebor]

For now.

The crackdowns will, in my opinion, create an environment much more conscious of the importance of classification processes. We had an LTC(P) get told to GTFO (retire immediately) over putting a NATO SECRET .ppt on his NIPR computer. And it was a totally benign document too, that never should have been classified in the first place.

But you're right, in another 50 years things might start to relax again.

 

[Nebor]

Cite me one leak that endangers our troops. From the looks of it, there aren't any and the leaks are about exposing corruption.

Anything that damages the reputation or perceived good intentions of US forces creates new insurgents and thus represents a danger. IE: The leaked Apache footage from what's said to be Iraq showing what appears to be an attack on what seems to be some reporters and children.

 

[rasczak]

The crackdowns will, in my opinion, create an environment much more conscious of the importance of classification processes. We had an LTC(P) get told to GTFO (retire immediately) over putting a NATO SECRET .ppt on his NIPR computer. And it was a totally benign document too, that never should have been classified in the first place.

But you're right, in another 50 years things might start to relax again.

As well he should. There's classifications for a reason. Regardless of the content, if he had followed protocol, he wouldn't have been kicked out.

 

[Bignate603]

Cite me one leak that endangers our troops. From the looks of it, there aren't any and the leaks are about exposing corruption.

The leaks aren't any one specific thing, it's just a massive unorganized data dump. It will be some time before we really know the worst of what was released. Sorting through a quarter million messages doesn't happen overnight.

Like I said before, this is what pisses me off. If wikileaks had published specific messages and things that had a specific purpose (like exposing corruption, blowing open some coverup, etc) I'd applaud them. Just dumping massive amounts of messages onto the internet without having a clue what's in them is completely irresponsible.

 

[0roo0roo]

This makes Julian Assange one of the biggest heroes out there, IMHO.

sorry no, his stated goal is that of an anarchist, he doesn't give a sh*t about reforming anything, his actual ideological goal is to destroy all governments by forcing ever greater secrecy through his leak program, which is why he is so blatantly irresponsible in the way he treats those leaks, he really doesn't give a damned about those consequences.

 

[yhelothar]

Anything that damages the reputation or perceived good intentions of US forces creates new insurgents and thus represents a danger. IE: The leaked Apache footage from what's said to be Iraq showing what appears to be an attack on what seems to be some reporters and children.

hmm I just watched the vid. It looks pretty difficult to tell in the choppers what exactly they're seeing on that low res screen. I also don't understand the situation enough to know why they'd engage on them. They seem to be just standing there minding their own business to me. I don't think the resolution is high enough(on the youtube vid at least), to tell their identities, or if the faces in the van's window are children. Although I'd say that if some fucked up shit was really going down in that vid, it might piss off a few insurgents in the short run, but in the long run, it'd shape our policy to not be such an asshole in fucking over other countries like it's some arcade game.

 

[Nebor]

hmm I just watched the vid. It looks pretty difficult to tell in the choppers what exactly they're seeing on that low res screen. I also don't understand the situation enough to know why they'd engage on them. They seem to be just standing there minding their own business to me. I don't think the resolution is high enough(on the youtube vid at least), to tell their identities, or if the faces in the van's window are children. Although I'd say that if some fucked up shit was really going down in that vid, it might piss off a few insurgents in the short run, but in the long run, it'd shape our policy to not be such an asshole in fucking over other countries like it's some arcade game.

If you watch the full length vid, you'll see that a company from the 2-16 Rangers (not SOCOM Rangers, 1st ID "Rangers", reference the book "The Good Soldiers") patrolling in the most violent area of Iraq, Eastern Baghdad, were getting hammered from all directions. The company commander called for close combat attack aircraft support, the Apache pilot sighted foot mobiles with weapons talking on cell phones, cleared the area of friendlies through the company commander and engaged. Under the circumstances, I can see why they would think that the reporters & their bodyguards were insurgents. They had weapons and were talking on cell phones, it looked like they were coordinating an attack. Wrong place, wrong time.

The whole video would have been way, way less damaging without the Apache pilots commentary, "Are those kids in the van?" "Yeah." "Well, fuck 'em, you should bring your kids to a battle, engaging." :\

 

[Beev]

his stated goal is that of an anarchist

I fully support and agree with anarchy... just not yet. The average person couldn't handle it.

 

[Possessed Freak]

I fully support and agree with anarchy... just not yet. The average person couldn't handle it.

Fully support? Right...

 

[Beev]

Fully support? Right...

At its base meaning/definition, yes.

 

[airdata]

If the CIA assassinated Julian Assange I would have absolutely no problem with it. He is an enemy of this country.

What a nice sugary anti american statement..

You may as well go denounce your citizenship. Let the lies be loud, the truth hidden, and the stupid kept ignorant. Amen.

 

[darkewaffle]

Anarchy lol. Yes because complete chaos and nonaccountability is better than organized pockets of corruption. I'd rather fix broken windows than build a new house.

Assange doesn't deserve to die, but I'm at a complete loss why anyone actually listens to him.