EPA declares greenhouse gases a health threat

[CADsortaGUY]

EPA to regulate fatties?

 

[BansheeX]

Guess what else is a threat to health? Everything. You could die eating too many hamburgers, inhaling water, choking on a gingersnap cookie, slipping on a banana peel.

Moreover, global warming is bullshit.

Moreover, old technology might be dirty, but it's necessary to progress and it invariably contributes to the development of its cleaner successor. First there was shit in the street from horses, then there was coal pollution, then we got gasoline, then we got nuclear power (the endgame for emissions and resource dependencies). How ironic that they block nuclear power like the spawn of Satan. And if we had said horses, coal, and gasoline were too dirty to use, how would we have gotten to nuclear power? We'd still be climbing trees and throwing poop at each other if the EPA got its way back then.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: BansheeX
Guess what else is a threat to health? Everything. You could die eating too many hamburgers, inhaling water, choking on a gingersnap cookie, slipping on a banana peel.

Moreover, global warming is bullshit.

Moreover, old technology might be dirty, but it's necessary to progress and it invariably contributes to the development of its cleaner successor. First there was shit in the street from horses, then there was coal pollution, then we got gasoline, then we got nuclear power (the endgame for emissions and resource dependencies). How ironic that they block nuclear power like the spawn of Satan. And if we had said horses, coal, and gasoline were too dirty to use, how would we have gotten to nuclear power? We'd still be climbing trees and throwing poop at each other if the EPA got its way back then.

EPA is blocking nuclear power? Citation please.

 

[BrownTown]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: BansheeX
Guess what else is a threat to health? Everything. You could die eating too many hamburgers, inhaling water, choking on a gingersnap cookie, slipping on a banana peel.

Moreover, global warming is bullshit.

Moreover, old technology might be dirty, but it's necessary to progress and it invariably contributes to the development of its cleaner successor. First there was shit in the street from horses, then there was coal pollution, then we got gasoline, then we got nuclear power (the endgame for emissions and resource dependencies). How ironic that they block nuclear power like the spawn of Satan. And if we had said horses, coal, and gasoline were too dirty to use, how would we have gotten to nuclear power? We'd still be climbing trees and throwing poop at each other if the EPA got its way back then.

EPA is blocking nuclear power? Citation please.

I don't think the EPA is, but Obama is known to be anti-nuclear as he has already demonstrated. The thing is, given as nuclear produces 20% of electricity nobody can say to just "turn it all off". They are much more subtle then that, essentially making it impossible to ever build anything NEW, so the old plants will slowly fade away as they reach their end of life.

Its the HUGE political uncertainty right now that is killing investment. Nobody wants to invest billions of dollars now when the rules might change next year and all that money could have gone down the crapper.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: BrownTown

I don't think the EPA is, but Obama is known to be anti-nuclear as he has already demonstrated. The thing is, given as nuclear produces 20% of electricity nobody can say to just "turn it all off". They are much more subtle then that, essentially making it impossible to ever build anything NEW, so the old plants will slowly fade away as they reach their end of life.

Its the HUGE political uncertainty right now that is killing investment. Nobody wants to invest billions of dollars now when the rules might change next year and all that money could have gone down the crapper.

So what was the excuse for the previous eight years, or the eight before that, or the twelve before that? No one wants to invest because no one wants the liability. Even Bush's offered handouts weren't sufficient to attract investment in new plants. Note that I don't object to nuclear power but I just don't see it that it will ever attract new capital without liability relief (socializing risk).

 

[BrownTown]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: BrownTown

I don't think the EPA is, but Obama is known to be anti-nuclear as he has already demonstrated. The thing is, given as nuclear produces 20% of electricity nobody can say to just "turn it all off". They are much more subtle then that, essentially making it impossible to ever build anything NEW, so the old plants will slowly fade away as they reach their end of life.

Its the HUGE political uncertainty right now that is killing investment. Nobody wants to invest billions of dollars now when the rules might change next year and all that money could have gone down the crapper.

So what was the excuse for the previous eight years, or the eight before that, or the twelve before that? No one wants to invest because no one wants the liability. Even Bush's offered handouts weren't sufficient to attract investment in new plants. Note that I don't object to nuclear power but I just don't see it that it will ever attract new capital without liability relief (socializing risk).

There have been three EPC (engineering, procurement, construction) contracts signed for new nuclear plants in the last year. your statement sort of makes no sense in light of the fact that utilities have already committed billions on these projects. There are applications for ~20 construction permits under review by the NRC, and 1 nuclear plant which is actively under construction. The first centrifuge enrichment plant in the USA will come online this year at a cost of several billion, and at least a billion more is being invested by companies in infrastructure to build nuclear plant components like turbines, piping etc.