EPA declares greenhouse gases a health threat

[ericlp]

http://www.dallasnews.com/shar...eenhouse.e46cc1a5.html


Hey! Well, you know, your car produces a lot of greenhouse gases so you better think twice before starting it up!

Greenhouse gasses are now the new terror threat.

Funny how we are going to set the example from Texas. Hahahaha Damn...

 

[Genx87]

So are they going to stop us from breathing and farting?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Pretty soon they are going to come after us homebrewers.... But seriously - this is purely political as it's just another way for the gov't to control things.

 

[NaughtyGeek]

So how many of you who support sin taxes are going to get in a twist when those taxes are levied against you for your transportation and home heating/electricity because you're emitting harmful gases into the environment both directly and indirectly?

 

[cubby1223]

I say, fuck this!

What was the motivation behind this declaration? The people aren't taking to the "greenies" enough so for the Obama administration to pass the laws they twist the EPA's arm?

Seriously, we are being killed in the global economy because manufacturers just move to countries without regulations. So the plan to rebuild the workforce here is to drive out even more businesses?

The world is not perfect. It never will be perfect.


If this were based on true science, maybe I would support it. But I'll bet dollars to donuts it's purely a political move.

"We don't have the authority to do what we want, so we will just change the rules of the game"

 

[frostedflakes]

I'm still not sure how I feel on cap and trade and some of the methods of reducing CO2 emissions, but this is a good decision IMO. Even though it's not technically a pollutant, the EPA has every right to regulate CO2. The Bush admin's policy on this was just ridiculous, even the courts recognized this.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
I'm still not sure how I feel on cap and trade and some of the methods of reducing CO2 emissions, but this is a good decision IMO. Even though it's not technically a pollutant, the EPA has every right to regulate CO2. The Bush admin's policy on this was just ridiculous, even the courts recognized this.

How is the EPA going to regulate the 95%+ of the CO2 released that is entirely natural? (and 5% is VERY generous)

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
I'm still not sure how I feel on cap and trade and some of the methods of reducing CO2 emissions, but this is a good decision IMO. Even though it's not technically a pollutant, the EPA has every right to regulate CO2. The Bush admin's policy on this was just ridiculous, even the courts recognized this.

How is the EPA going to regulate the 95%+ of the CO2 released that is entirely natural? (and 5% is VERY generous)

Shut-down Taco Bell.

 

[SagaLore]

Quick! Stop breathing! There are trace amounts of CO2 in that air! :shocked:

 

[CrackRabbit]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
I'm still not sure how I feel on cap and trade and some of the methods of reducing CO2 emissions, but this is a good decision IMO. Even though it's not technically a pollutant, the EPA has every right to regulate CO2. The Bush admin's policy on this was just ridiculous, even the courts recognized this.

How is the EPA going to regulate the 95%+ of the CO2 released that is entirely natural? (and 5% is VERY generous)

Shut-down Taco Bell.

That will help with the methane levels, no so much with the CO2 levels.

 

[sciwizam]

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
I'm still not sure how I feel on cap and trade and some of the methods of reducing CO2 emissions, but this is a good decision IMO. Even though it's not technically a pollutant, the EPA has every right to regulate CO2. The Bush admin's policy on this was just ridiculous, even the courts recognized this.

How is the EPA going to regulate the 95%+ of the CO2 released that is entirely natural? (and 5% is VERY generous)

Shut-down Taco Bell.

That will help with the methane levels, no so much with the CO2 levels.

Methane is about a factor more potent than CO2 with regards to greenhouse effect.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Genx87

So are they going to stop us from breathing and farting?

No. In fact, it's just the opposite. If you die, you stop breathing and farting. They're trying to allow you to continue farting. If you happen to be human, it would help you to continue breathing, too.

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

So how many of you who support sin taxes are going to get in a twist when those taxes are levied against you for your transportation and home heating/electricity because you're emitting harmful gases into the environment both directly and indirectly?

Stop your whining. There are already taxes on fuel, some of which goes directly to conservation.

 

[GoPackGo]

then H20 is a health threat

as is N2

as is O2

as is a boatload of natural compounds that are the building blocks of life.

The EPA sucks on this one.

 

[MovingTarget]

I don't really see a problem with this. Sure, greenhouse gasses are a bad thing when there become too large a percentage of our atmosphere. Nobody wants to remove all the water, carbon dioxide, etc. from the atmosphere in mass quantities. They play an important role in keeping us warm at night, and we cannot live without them. All the EPA is stating is the obvious - too much of anything is bad for you. As a civilization, we need to get a handle on preserving our environment, and that includes limiting (but not eliminating) greenhouse emissions to keep them within certain desired levels in the atmosphere. You have to have a long-term outlook as Earth is the only planet we've got right now....better hold on to it.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
then H20 is a health threat

as is N2

as is O2

as is a boatload of natural compounds that are the building blocks of life.

The EPA sucks on this one.

I think the patriotic thing to do is flush all your water down the toilet. :thumbsup:

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
I don't really see a problem with this. Sure, greenhouse gasses are a bad thing when there become too large a percentage of our atmosphere. Nobody wants to remove all the water, carbon dioxide, etc. from the atmosphere in mass quantities. They play an important role in keeping us warm at night, and we cannot live without them. All the EPA is stating is the obvious - too much of anything is bad for you. As a civilization, we need to get a handle on preserving our environment, and that includes limiting (but not eliminating) greenhouse emissions to keep them within certain desired levels in the atmosphere. You have to have a long-term outlook as Earth is the only planet we've got right now....better hold on to it.

I wonder if we can regulate volcanoes

Volcanoes release more than 130 million tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere every year.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
I don't really see a problem with this. Sure, greenhouse gasses are a bad thing when there become too large a percentage of our atmosphere. Nobody wants to remove all the water, carbon dioxide, etc. from the atmosphere in mass quantities. They play an important role in keeping us warm at night, and we cannot live without them. All the EPA is stating is the obvious - too much of anything is bad for you. As a civilization, we need to get a handle on preserving our environment, and that includes limiting (but not eliminating) greenhouse emissions to keep them within certain desired levels in the atmosphere. You have to have a long-term outlook as Earth is the only planet we've got right now....better hold on to it.

I wonder if we can regulate volcanoes

Volcanoes release more than 130 million tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere every year.

...and?

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Even though it's not technically a pollutant, the EPA has every right to regulate CO2

CO2 is a part of life, you just said they have every right to regulate _everything_. So you just **** on the 4th and 10th amendments.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Even though it's not technically a pollutant, the EPA has every right to regulate CO2

CO2 is a part of life, you just said they have every right to regulate _everything_.

Water vapor dwarfs co2 and other things as far as "green house" stuff goes. Maybe the EPA should regulated it

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
I don't really see a problem with this. Sure, greenhouse gasses are a bad thing when there become too large a percentage of our atmosphere. Nobody wants to remove all the water, carbon dioxide, etc. from the atmosphere in mass quantities. They play an important role in keeping us warm at night, and we cannot live without them. All the EPA is stating is the obvious - too much of anything is bad for you. As a civilization, we need to get a handle on preserving our environment, and that includes limiting (but not eliminating) greenhouse emissions to keep them within certain desired levels in the atmosphere. You have to have a long-term outlook as Earth is the only planet we've got right now....better hold on to it.

I wonder if we can regulate volcanoes

Volcanoes release more than 130 million tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere every year.

:roll: The statistics about volcanoes are spot on, but you seem to have missed the point. I suppose we should regulate lightening, too? Those bolts cause a lot of fires and C02 emissions. C'mon, you have to see that there is a huge qualitative difference between volcanoes and our emissions.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
I don't really see a problem with this. Sure, greenhouse gasses are a bad thing when there become too large a percentage of our atmosphere. Nobody wants to remove all the water, carbon dioxide, etc. from the atmosphere in mass quantities. They play an important role in keeping us warm at night, and we cannot live without them. All the EPA is stating is the obvious - too much of anything is bad for you. As a civilization, we need to get a handle on preserving our environment, and that includes limiting (but not eliminating) greenhouse emissions to keep them within certain desired levels in the atmosphere. You have to have a long-term outlook as Earth is the only planet we've got right now....better hold on to it.

I wonder if we can regulate volcanoes

Volcanoes release more than 130 million tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere every year.

:roll: The statistics about volcanoes are spot on, but you seem to have missed the point. I suppose we should regulate lightening, too? Those bolts cause a lot of fires and C02 emissions. C'mon, you have to see that there is a huge qualitative difference between volcanoes and our emissions.

Yeah, I understand the difference. The difference is about 20x(generous numbers too) for just co2.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: cubby1223
I say, fuck this!

What was the motivation behind this declaration? The people aren't taking to the "greenies" enough so for the Obama administration to pass the laws they twist the EPA's arm?

Seriously, we are being killed in the global economy because manufacturers just move to countries without regulations. So the plan to rebuild the workforce here is to drive out even more businesses?

The world is not perfect. It never will be perfect.


If this were based on true science, maybe I would support it. But I'll bet dollars to donuts it's purely a political move.

"We don't have the authority to do what we want, so we will just change the rules of the game"

You might want to wait for something tangible to come of this before you put your head through a wall in pointless outrage.

 

[Hacp]

Water vapor is a more potent greenhouse gas than Co2. Maybe we should stop it from raining?

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Even though it's not technically a pollutant, the EPA has every right to regulate CO2

CO2 is a part of life, you just said they have every right to regulate _everything_. So you just **** on the 4th and 10th amendments.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Water vapor is a more potent greenhouse gas than Co2. Maybe we should stop it from raining?

Rain removes Water Vapour from the Air.