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Entrepreneur vs. Working Professionals

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Entrepreneur is such a widely used term that it is hard to distinguish.

Some 17 year old kid could be doing web design and say he's an entrepreneur. Or, some 30 year old may be putting his life savings into starting a shoe company and he also says he is an entrepreneur.

So to me, if someone says they are an entrepreneur, I'm always interested in hearing what exactly they are doing. Now don't get me wrong, if the kid above is getting legit work done and not just random Craigslist postings, then more power to him. I just meant that being an 'entrepreneur' can mean a wide variety of things, which is why I'm guessing you are pulling towards the working professional being 'better' OP.
 
Originally posted by: Quintox
Entrepreneur is such a widely used term that it is hard to distinguish.

Some 17 year old kid could be doing web design and say he's an entrepreneur. Or, some 30 year old may be putting his life savings into starting a shoe company and he also says he is an entrepreneur.
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And........
 
Originally posted by: cheezy321
Originally posted by: Quintox
Entrepreneur is such a widely used term that it is hard to distinguish.

Some 17 year old kid could be doing web design and say he's an entrepreneur. Or, some 30 year old may be putting his life savings into starting a shoe company and he also says he is an entrepreneur.
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And........
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lol I tried to update my post, I couldn't really figure out what I was trying to say.
 
Originally posted by: Quintox
Entrepreneur is such a widely used term that it is hard to distinguish.

Some 17 year old kid could be doing web design and say he's an entrepreneur. Or, some 30 year old may be putting his life savings into starting a shoe company and he also says he is an entrepreneur.

So to me, if someone says they are an entrepreneur, I'm always interested in hearing what exactly they are doing. Now don't get me wrong, if the kid above is getting legit work done and not just random Craigslist postings, then more power to him. I just meant that being an 'entrepreneur' can mean a wide variety of things, which is why I'm guessing you are pulling towards the working professional being 'better' OP.
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Here is another point that I was making. A business/company is not the same as self employed. A kid with a big head tells others he owns a graphic design company but in reality hes in his apartment cranking out designs at home kitchen.

Another note, I never said working professional is better, I simply state that theres nothing special about you or a hot shot simply because you manage a small operation with family backup or having a nitch from a resource overeas etc.
 
Originally posted by: Wudemaya
Originally posted by: Quintox
Entrepreneur is such a widely used term that it is hard to distinguish.

Some 17 year old kid could be doing web design and say he's an entrepreneur. Or, some 30 year old may be putting his life savings into starting a shoe company and he also says he is an entrepreneur.

So to me, if someone says they are an entrepreneur, I'm always interested in hearing what exactly they are doing. Now don't get me wrong, if the kid above is getting legit work done and not just random Craigslist postings, then more power to him. I just meant that being an 'entrepreneur' can mean a wide variety of things, which is why I'm guessing you are pulling towards the working professional being 'better' OP.
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Here is another point that I was making. A business/company is not the same as self employed. A kid with a big head tells others he owns a graphic design company but in reality hes in his apartment cranking out designs at home kitchen.

Another note, I never said working professional is better, I simply state that theres nothing special about you or a hot shot simply because you manage a small operation with family backup or having a nitch from a resource overeas etc.
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You are wrong. You think "rich" family members just hand over money to their relatives? All businesses, funded by "family money" or not are risky ventures, and entrepreneurs are crucial to the economy for job growth, innovation and ultimately higher standards of living.
 
Originally posted by: Wudemaya
I told her there is nothing special about someone trying to become entrepreneur
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Good luck finding another girlfriend.


Being an entrepreneur is damn hard. You have to be willing to take risks, and you have to know how to gracefully fail, but not be afraid to try again. You have to work long hours. You have no time to take vacations, and you don't get insurance. You have to be persistent and motivated. You have to be willing to change your strategy as new struggles happen.
 
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: Atheus
Somewhere, at the top of the company you work for, is an entrepreneur. He owns a yacht. You do not own a yacht.
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LOL and true.
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That's not true, corporations aren't necessarily run by people who started the company (or previously started another company). I worked at IBM and the CEO there started at IBM right out of undergrad and worked his way up. He's not an entrepreneur.
 
Originally posted by: poopaskoopa
Originally posted by: Geekish Thoughts
I'm in a similar situation. My GF's parents own a business and are really well off, with a house in Hawaii etc. What makes matters worse is she works for her parents.

When we sit down at dinner together sometimes, they talk together about how their employees have all these flaws, aren't perfect, etc. A lot of small stuff that they make into big deals.

And here I am, working for one of the largest corporations in America working my butt off doing swing shift work, with a perfectionist asshole of a boss who has absolutely no people skills.

I'm kind of left thinking that managers (usually) suck in general, at least in my experience. I'm sure there's good ones out there, but I'm left thinking the "higher ups" are left with less work than the grunts.

It makes it difficult when sitting down with her parents or when I'm with them and they talk about their business.

And honestly, it's made me question whether I really want to marry her or not.

/End rant that relates to your thread.
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I happen to work for a large company and am also part of a group that started a small business. I bitch about the management at my day job, and I bitch about the employees at my side biz. And I don't think I'm a bitchy person, really.

At my day job I feel like my manager doesn't recognize all the stuff I do, and at my side biz it's so hard to not say to the employees to stop sucking/stop bitching/stop being so goddamned unprofessional/etc. With a small business it's easier for me to determine what they cost me every time they fuck up, and it can drive me crazy. I suspect that my manager at my day job goes through something similar watching me work sometimes, even though I work for a large corp. It's easy to spot others' flaws while overlooking my own. I've learned that.

And OP, you're wrong about entrepreneurs.
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I'm not wrong because I was one myself, therefore I don't need to be reminded what it takes to become one. I'm saying I can't simply respect entrepreneurs based on the fact that they take risks yet having a nitch or family backup to get ahead, theres nothing special about that vs. working professionals who got an higher education and became doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. And maybe those doctors lawyers one day decided to venture out and decided to start their own practice.

 
Originally posted by: Wudemaya
My gf and I had a debate in regards of career. A little of our background, we?re in our late 20s and early 30. I?ve studied my way through college obtaining my degree and now working for the corporate America at a large company as a working professional in IT. She is currently working with a partner striving to make her living at a small mama & papa business buying and selling a product.
I told her there is nothing special about someone trying to become entrepreneur based on no education and has a nitch to sell a product that you may have a resource over your competitors. You don?t even need to speak English to make a living. And pinpoint the fact that it is not really a company but just self employment. Plus no special skill is needed. Where someone like myself studied our way out of college and made something with it as a professional.
I have a bad impression on entrepreneurs as a lot of show, all talk, no hard skilled people. Whereas working professionals are useful for their technical and managerial skills because they went through a higher education and learning from peers alike. Also entrepreneurs are more likely to take risks because they have their rich parents to fall back on or use family $$ to start a new. And therefore they call themselves tough shots fronting that they know own a business. There are exceptions where he/she took their education and attempt to make it on their own rather than working for someone.

Cliff:
GF and I had a debate
Me for working professional
Her for entrepreneur

Please discuss?.whats your take??
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I think you might be legally retarded. That you got through college is nothing short of a miracle.
 
Depends how good you are as a drone I guess. At a big enough company you can work your way up and easily earn six or even seven figures.

Me, I'm a lazy bastard that sits on ATOT. So I'm going nowhere. Oh well.
 
Originally posted by: Wudemaya
I'm not wrong because I was one myself, therefore I don't need to be reminded what it takes to become one. I'm saying I can't simply respect entrepreneurs based on the fact that they take risks yet having a nitch or family backup to get ahead, theres nothing special about that vs. working professionals who got an higher education and became doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. And maybe those doctors lawyers one day decided to venture out and decided to start their own practice.
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You are not only wrong, but you are retarded. Some of the best entrepreneurs are educated professionals who has a vision of doing things better or in a new way.

What the fuck is family backup?
 
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Wudemaya
I'm not wrong because I was one myself, therefore I don't need to be reminded what it takes to become one. I'm saying I can't simply respect entrepreneurs based on the fact that they take risks yet having a nitch or family backup to get ahead, theres nothing special about that vs. working professionals who got an higher education and became doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. And maybe those doctors lawyers one day decided to venture out and decided to start their own practice.
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You are not only wrong, but you are retarded. Some of the best entrepreneurs are educated professionals who has a vision of doing things better or in a new way.

What the fuck is family backup?
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Good gawd, obvously you didn't read the thread.
 
Originally posted by: Wudemaya
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Wudemaya
I'm not wrong because I was one myself, therefore I don't need to be reminded what it takes to become one. I'm saying I can't simply respect entrepreneurs based on the fact that they take risks yet having a nitch or family backup to get ahead, theres nothing special about that vs. working professionals who got an higher education and became doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. And maybe those doctors lawyers one day decided to venture out and decided to start their own practice.
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You are not only wrong, but you are retarded. Some of the best entrepreneurs are educated professionals who has a vision of doing things better or in a new way.

What the fuck is family backup?
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Good gawd, obvously you didn't read the thread.
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i read the entire thing. you are a complete fail. you think "family backup" means families will finance each others' businesses just because they are family? most entrepreneurs come from modest to poor backgrounds, and take enormous risks and go through an excruciating fund raising process.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
You are completely off base and very much in the wrong on this one. Anybody could be a corporate drone but few can work for themselves and make money at it, the risk scares them but the reward financially is much higher.

Will you eat your words when she's making twice what you do?
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This. I'm the corporate drone and my husband is the entrepreneur. I still make a tad more than he does but he works his ASS off every day, and has quintuple the skill and drive that I do. I'd love to be an entrepeneur but I don't have what it takes.
 
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Wudemaya
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Wudemaya
I'm not wrong because I was one myself, therefore I don't need to be reminded what it takes to become one. I'm saying I can't simply respect entrepreneurs based on the fact that they take risks yet having a nitch or family backup to get ahead, theres nothing special about that vs. working professionals who got an higher education and became doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. And maybe those doctors lawyers one day decided to venture out and decided to start their own practice.
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You are not only wrong, but you are retarded. Some of the best entrepreneurs are educated professionals who has a vision of doing things better or in a new way.

What the fuck is family backup?
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Good gawd, obvously you didn't read the thread.
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i read the entire thing. you are a complete fail. you think "family backup" means families will finance each others' businesses just because they are family? most entrepreneurs come from modest to poor backgrounds, and take enormous risks and go through an excruciating fund raising process.
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I'll clearify, basically an uneducated person with financial backup from family to start a business gets no bragging rights vs. hard working professional who got an education and developed themselves in their career.
 
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