miketheidiot
Lifer
most entrepreneurs that does not happen to.
anyways i have more 'respect' for professionals, and like the op have never been very impressed by the entrepreneurial class.
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most entrepreneurs that does not happen to.
anyways i have more 'respect' for professionals, and like the op have never been very impressed by the entrepreneurial class.
PlasmaBomb
Lifer
tl:dr
Fall back position: You are wrong...
miketheidiot
Lifer
entrepreneurs do not run companies, they start them. There are maybe a handful of entrepreneurs stilling running the fortune 500 companies they started.
jonks
Lifer
I don't know, sex entails risks. Pregnancy, disease, etc. Condoms aren't 100% effective you know! I say he plays it safe and just whacks it while wearing rubber gloves. And be sure to flush the result, if you just throw it in the garbage someone could get a hold of it and manufacture a crime scene using your dna.
mchammer187
Diamond Member
I am just using the terminology previously established in this thread. You know it has been used about a dozen times in this thread prior to my usage already but I don't see you calling anyone else out on it.
I am an Electrical Engineer and have been working for the Federal Government for the last 5 years.
I am not offended if someone calls me a "corporate drone" but then again I don't get worked up over that kind of stuff.
SP33Demon
Lifer
Anyone can start a company and become an entrepreneur. Growing into a highly successful company are few and far between and the ones who garner respect. But keep in mind that the majority of small businesses fail so the successful ones deserve props.
Anyone can go to college and get an IT Job at a major company, but it takes some work to be a top executive.
Also keep in mind that many people who go to college also pay for it with mommy and daddy's money for tuition, so you can't just say that for entrepreneurs.
Summary: Neither of you are freaking special unless your g/f's company is extremely successful or you're an executive. Both of you are peons so your petty argument is MOOT. Find something better to argue about like Darfur, endangered Pandas, and pie. Something that isn't personal, get it numbnuts?
Anyone can go to college and get an IT Job at a major company, but it takes some work to be a top executive.
Also keep in mind that many people who go to college also pay for it with mommy and daddy's money for tuition, so you can't just say that for entrepreneurs.
Summary: Neither of you are freaking special unless your g/f's company is extremely successful or you're an executive. Both of you are peons so your petty argument is MOOT. Find something better to argue about like Darfur, endangered Pandas, and pie. Something that isn't personal, get it numbnuts?
sactoking
Diamond Member
I admit up front: I have not read the whole thread (or even most of it). Based on the OP and some replies that I skimmed I will say this:
Anyone that thinks entrepreneurship is "better" is insane.
Let's take two worlds and populate one with entrepreneurs and the other with regular people. The entrepreneur world we'll call "Extremistan" and the other is "Mediocristan". Now, there are some inherent differences to Extremistan and Mediocristan. In Extremistan, you have the ability chance to succeed greatly. In Mediocristan you'll never make it big, but you'll also probably never lose everything either, like you can in Extremistan.
Now, those who support entrepreneurs and Extremistan make several several key logical errors. One of them is the error of competition. Many people think they can run a restaurant or write a book. But how many books become best sellers? Not many. People have a tendency to overestimate their strengths and underestimate those of their rivals. The result is that you forget that Extremistan is populated not just by entrepreneurs, but by the BEST entrepreneurs, likely better than you, and the odds of success are slim.
The second error is the error of what is not known. You can look around and see that new BBQ place doing fabulously well. You can see Rowling making hundreds of millions off of Harry Potter. Everywhere you look, you see success stories. What you don't see is all of the failures. Extremistan attracts failures, even more so than successes. Yes, that BBQ place may be doing well, but how many other chinese/pho/sushi/fusion places went under at that same location? People have a tendency to undervalue the lesson of the failure and overvalue the lesson of the success. You can't see all the restaurants that go out of business daily, or the literally hundreds of thousands of manuscripts rejected by publishers each year. There is no long-standing reminder of Extremistan's failures to counter it's constant reminders of success. It's a siren call for suckers.
Anyone that thinks entrepreneurship is "better" is insane.
Let's take two worlds and populate one with entrepreneurs and the other with regular people. The entrepreneur world we'll call "Extremistan" and the other is "Mediocristan". Now, there are some inherent differences to Extremistan and Mediocristan. In Extremistan, you have the ability chance to succeed greatly. In Mediocristan you'll never make it big, but you'll also probably never lose everything either, like you can in Extremistan.
Now, those who support entrepreneurs and Extremistan make several several key logical errors. One of them is the error of competition. Many people think they can run a restaurant or write a book. But how many books become best sellers? Not many. People have a tendency to overestimate their strengths and underestimate those of their rivals. The result is that you forget that Extremistan is populated not just by entrepreneurs, but by the BEST entrepreneurs, likely better than you, and the odds of success are slim.
The second error is the error of what is not known. You can look around and see that new BBQ place doing fabulously well. You can see Rowling making hundreds of millions off of Harry Potter. Everywhere you look, you see success stories. What you don't see is all of the failures. Extremistan attracts failures, even more so than successes. Yes, that BBQ place may be doing well, but how many other chinese/pho/sushi/fusion places went under at that same location? People have a tendency to undervalue the lesson of the failure and overvalue the lesson of the success. You can't see all the restaurants that go out of business daily, or the literally hundreds of thousands of manuscripts rejected by publishers each year. There is no long-standing reminder of Extremistan's failures to counter it's constant reminders of success. It's a siren call for suckers.
miketheidiot
Lifer
i don't see why taking risk implies someone deserves respect. Working hard sure, but you can work hard anywhere. Having an idea is great but you can have that idea and make profit by it in many ways. Having an idea or a skill and making a business is great, but most of the entrepreneurs seem to be after it for foolish reasons; more looking to own a business for the sake of owning a business than because they have an idea or skill. Seems stupid to go through all the risk and effort for something that will most likely fail and leave you in debt for years instead of taking the secure route.
PricklyPete
Lifer
There is a place in this world for everyone. To think you are better and a more useful part of our economy is absolute rubbish. Your education gives you nothing if not used properly. Plenty of self-employed people I know are considerably more capable than many others I know who are "working professionals". But the ball swings both ways...there are plenty of idiots out there trying to make it on their own...and every once in a while those idiots hit the jackpot.
What is particularly disturbing is your need to show some level of superiority based on your education/being a working professional. Not only does it show a lack of interpersonal skills, but it shows that you have a very closed mind about the world around you.
What is particularly disturbing is your need to show some level of superiority based on your education/being a working professional. Not only does it show a lack of interpersonal skills, but it shows that you have a very closed mind about the world around you.
miketheidiot
Lifer
btw by working professionals are we talking idiots working in marketing or are we talking certified professionals ie engineers, accountants lawyers etc? I was thinking the later when commenting, i had never considered the average employee to be 'a professional'.
further edit: lol the op works in IT. Your a pleb just like your girlfriend
further edit: lol the op works in IT. Your a pleb just like your girlfriend
bobross419
Golden Member
Both can be difficult and you come off like a pretentious asshole.
No offense intended to you, just how that whole paragraph came off to me.
No offense intended to you, just how that whole paragraph came off to me.
I'd say entrepreneurs. Most that I know of used to work in the corporate world and later left. If you have your own business:
1. Tax deductions are awesome and can result in massive savings.
2. The business could give you a steady paycheck.
3. You're building something that has the potential to be sold in one lump. If you quit your business, you could possibly sell your business. If you quit a corporate job, you've got nothing. It's like buying vs. renting.
4. The business, if successful, can provide you with a steady stream of passive income once it has grown to the point where it can run itself (ie. you don't have to be there). In corporate life, you have to always be at the office to make money. Your corporate job's not going to keep paying you if you're not at work.
The business route definitely is risky and tough, but if you do it right you can succeed. And even if you don't succeed the first time, you will have learned from your mistake what works and what doesn't, and can apply that to a future attempt.
1. Tax deductions are awesome and can result in massive savings.
2. The business could give you a steady paycheck.
3. You're building something that has the potential to be sold in one lump. If you quit your business, you could possibly sell your business. If you quit a corporate job, you've got nothing. It's like buying vs. renting.
4. The business, if successful, can provide you with a steady stream of passive income once it has grown to the point where it can run itself (ie. you don't have to be there). In corporate life, you have to always be at the office to make money. Your corporate job's not going to keep paying you if you're not at work.
The business route definitely is risky and tough, but if you do it right you can succeed. And even if you don't succeed the first time, you will have learned from your mistake what works and what doesn't, and can apply that to a future attempt.
As someone who works in an office, it's definitely the easy way out. I work in one because I like guaranteed paychecks and don't want to take the risks or do the work involved in creating my own business.
Even though I have a much higher floor than an entrepreneur, I also have a much lower ceiling. While I hope my manager/company award me more than a cost-of-living salary increase per year, an entrepreneur can double her income with smart/hard work, and eventually get to a point where she gets paid without even showing up for work.
I think the OP is very misguided.
Even though I have a much higher floor than an entrepreneur, I also have a much lower ceiling. While I hope my manager/company award me more than a cost-of-living salary increase per year, an entrepreneur can double her income with smart/hard work, and eventually get to a point where she gets paid without even showing up for work.
I think the OP is very misguided.
Svnla
Lifer
Let see, nothing special eh? Since you are in the IT field, let ask M. Dell (a college drop out) how he became one of the youngest billionaires. Or how about B. Gate? How about L. Ellison? What do they have in common...hint = they all are dropouts and multi billionaires.....Shall I go on?
OP = need to grow up and get out more often. Seriously.
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