Entrapment or stupid choice?

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Kadarin
This is a victimless crime. She asked to see his penis and he showed it, so who was harmed by this action?

Everyone on ATOT that did not get to see topless pics of the "victim"....

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Definitely entrapment. She asked him to do it, that's the very definition of entrapment.

I agree, I'm pretty sure most guys would do it.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Definitely entrapment. She asked him to do it, that's the very definition of entrapment.

no, it's not. entrapment is very very rare.




however, i very much disagree with the police methods here.

 

[hdeck]

if a beautiful topless woman asked to see my penis, i would probably comply. i guess i am one of the "criminally minded" perverts that the police are trying to stop committing crimes that are even worse!

 

[Fenixgoon]

seems like a really petty offense to setup an entire sting operation. is it really that much a problem in the park?

i also agree that it is entrapment, based on the OP's definition

 

[markgm]

That's pretty much a textbook example of entrapment.

 

[Sumguy]

This looks like a classic case of "When in doubt, whip it out."

Obviously this man had some doubts whether he should unleash his manhood on the topless woman, but a subconscious instinct called "being a dude" caused him to ignore any inhibitions and draw his pocket poker.

 

[skyking]

I think it was over the top when she touched him to continue this sham of flirting.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Definitely entrapment. She asked him to do it, that's the very definition of entrapment.

no, it's not. entrapment is very very rare.




however, i very much disagree with the police methods here.

just because its rare, it means its not entrapment? wow, I must learn this logic.

with the definition of entrapment so boldly pointed out in the OP, and following this article, it is clearly entrapment. He did not walk into the park with the idea of whipping it out, nor did he likely even have the idea of whipping it out after seeing the woman and approaching her. Not until he was asked to do it. Sure, you can argue that he didn't have to comply.
But that's where the rest of the definition comes into play: it was a scenario created to persuade a man. It was artificially and highly favorable that a regular guy would be convinced enough to comply with the woman. That right there pretty much fits the definition, but the police are going to have a lovely loophole:

So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.

In bold is the loophole that will likely allow the police to get away with it. If it isn't entrapment, it's one of the most borderline cases I can recall in recent history.

And what is with Columbus, OH? Everything happens there, and I never know about it. And apparently they have excellent laws there. Time for me to visit a few parks?

 

[sygyzy]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
entrapment is very very rare, it isn't like the govt. doesn't already know what constitutes entrapment
they don't run ops that qualify as entrapment, that would be a waste of time

LMAO. I think everyone just lost even more respect for you.

 

[altonb1]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Definitely entrapment. She asked him to do it, that's the very definition of entrapment.

I agree--she ASKED to see him.

 

[RGN]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I'd love to work for the FBI or any other federal body but I have a very dim view of local law enforcement

Right, because the FBI is local law enforcement. :roll:

I guess if you mean local to the nation or maybe local to earth, then yeah it fits.

 

[Legendary]

Originally posted by: RGN

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I'd love to work for the FBI or any other federal body but I have a very dim view of local law enforcement

Right, because the FBI is local law enforcement. :roll:

I guess if you mean local to the nation or maybe local to earth, then yeah it fits.

Reading comprehension ftl.

 

[Wuffsunie]

This is like the operation with the wallets and bags on the subways of New York; another example of police with too much free fvcking time on their hands.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: mugs
I'm the last person to call something entrapment, but that doesn't really sit right with me.

Edit: Scratch that, I'm adamantly opposed to what the police are doing here. There's no reason to believe that the guys they catch in this sting have ever exposed themselves in public or would ever expose themselves in public if they hadn't been put in that situation by the police. They are not fighting crime, they are creating crime.

With a prostitution or drug sting, the perpetrator goes to the sting with the intention of committing a crime. With this sting, the guy goes up to the woman to talk to her and is encouraged to commit a crime by an attractive, topless woman. Come on. :roll:

I agree 99.1%


He still made the choice, and the .9% says he's in the wrong.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Legendary

Originally posted by: RGN

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I'd love to work for the FBI or any other federal body but I have a very dim view of local law enforcement

Right, because the FBI is local law enforcement. :roll:

I guess if you mean local to the nation or maybe local to earth, then yeah it fits.

Reading comprehension ftl.

Seriously. RGN, learn to read.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Legendary

Originally posted by: RGN

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I'd love to work for the FBI or any other federal body but I have a very dim view of local law enforcement

Right, because the FBI is local law enforcement. :roll:

I guess if you mean local to the nation or maybe local to earth, then yeah it fits.

Reading comprehension ftl.

Seriously. RGN, learn to read.

heh poor guy

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Legendary

Originally posted by: RGN

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I'd love to work for the FBI or any other federal body but I have a very dim view of local law enforcement

Right, because the FBI is local law enforcement. :roll:

I guess if you mean local to the nation or maybe local to earth, then yeah it fits.

Reading comprehension ftl.

Seriously. RGN, learn to read.

Really, we're not kidding, learn to read. Do it. Or else.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: destrekor

just because its rare, it means its not entrapment? wow, I must learn this logic.

with the definition of entrapment so boldly pointed out in the OP, and following this article, it is clearly entrapment. He did not walk into the park with the idea of whipping it out, nor did he likely even have the idea of whipping it out after seeing the woman and approaching her. Not until he was asked to do it. Sure, you can argue that he didn't have to comply.
But that's where the rest of the definition comes into play: it was a scenario created to persuade a man. It was artificially and highly favorable that a regular guy would be convinced enough to comply with the woman. That right there pretty much fits the definition, but the police are going to have a lovely loophole:

So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.

In bold is the loophole that will likely allow the police to get away with it. If it isn't entrapment, it's one of the most borderline cases I can recall in recent history.

he could have said no. he didn't say, 'now wait a minute, that's against the law, i'm not going to do that.' instead, he just whipped it out.

now, let me ask, how many straight men aren't predisposed to whip it out when a beautiful topless woman asks them to? 0? he was predisposed to do it and so it is not entrapment.

 

[ghostman]

Originally posted by: Wuffsunie
This is like the operation with the wallets and bags on the subways of New York; another example of police with too much free fvcking time on their hands.

This subway operation is mentioned on the second page of the article (I had never heard of it before). The subway "sting" is completely retarded. My cell phone was stolen earlier this year. A few days after, I found a smartphone in a movie theater. I did not turn it in to the movie staff, since I'm very certain one of those kids would have taken it. Instead, after dropping my gf off, I went through the phone's address book and found someone with a local number. I then dropped a quarter in a pay phone and called this person, which so happened to be with the individual who lost his phone. He had no clue where he lost it and was telling me he'd give me a reward if I return it. I told him it wasn't necessary, traveled back and returned the phone. If this was a sting, I would have been arrested the moment I stepped out of the theater.

A recent article in the paper also stated that a test was done to see how many lost items make it to the lost and found when given to the staff/manager/authorities. The results were disappointingly low.

 

[BoberFett]

Confirmed, I hate pigs.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: Wheezer
Story

personally I don't feel sorry for the guy.

He had a choice and chose poorly and now he is crying "entrapment" so he can keep his job, benefits and probably his marriage.

If you were in the situation would you have done the same?

ENTRAPMENT - A person is 'entrapped' when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had no previous intent to commit; and the law as a matter of policy forbids conviction in such a case.

However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the Government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a Government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informer or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person. So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.

She's sunbathing topless, then:
"Eventually, she asked to see Garrison's penis; he unzipped his pants and complied. "

WTF?! she asked him to do it!!!!!!!!!!!

how is this NOT entrapment?!

 

[nonameo]

OMG...

he was off the clock!

what I do off the clock is MY BUSINESS!

edit: not only is this entrapment, it also could be considered profiling.

I'm SURE they weren't going after any women.

 

[0roo0roo]

not just entrapment, its misuse of taxpayer money.

 

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: Wheezer
Story

personally I don't feel sorry for the guy.

He had a choice and chose poorly and now he is crying "entrapment" so he can keep his job, benefits and probably his marriage.

If you were in the situation would you have done the same?

ENTRAPMENT - A person is 'entrapped' when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had no previous intent to commit; and the law as a matter of policy forbids conviction in such a case.

However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the Government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a Government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informer or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person. So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.

She's sunbathing topless, then:
"Eventually, she asked to see Garrison's penis; he unzipped his pants and complied. "

WTF?! she asked him to do it!!!!!!!!!!!

how is this NOT entrapment?!

I would actually love to see the argument for this. The govt. agent planted the idea of showing his penis in public...had he whipped it out upon site of the girl, I could understand...but seriously, this is kinda messed up.