Engine Flooded I Think? HELP

[Zenmervolt]

<< I still can't tell if the motor's turning over or not.

Better information, please. >>

I get the impression that his engine is cranking, but very slowly. I get this mainly from his describing the cranking sound as "deeper", which to me sounds like a slow crank ("nyeeeeah-----nyeeeeah" for lack of a better sound term) rather than a typical fast cranking sound ("eheheh--vroom"). Of course, I'm not completely sure. Sorry for my very poor sound to word skills.

ZV

 

[Ornery]

According to Tom and Ray, you would use the same procedure as a normally aspirated vehicle to overcome the flood situation. However, if it doesn't start that way, it seems like letting it sit for a LONG time without cranking would be the best bet. BTW, it would be a good idea to change the oil after all this mess!

 

[Pacfanweb]

Ok, first of all, pumping the gas pedal on a fuel injected engine does.....nothing. Just opens and closes the throttle plate.

We really need to know what the exact problem is. Is it cranking over normally and just not firing up? Is it cranking over slowly?

If it's turning over ok, you need to check the basics, which start with fire, and fuel. Does it have fire(spark) and fuel(gas, obviously).

Then, does it have them at the proper times? This is where you start, assuming the engine is cranking over fine.

If it's cranking over too slowly, or not at all, charge, jump, or replace the battery, and then you can resume diagnostics.

 

[element]

Ornery, normally aspirated refers to non forced air/fuel via turbo or a supercharger rather than fuel injected or carb. So a normally aspirated engine is a fuel injected or carb with no turbo/SC.

That link you provided was useful though. I was unaware what the computer did upon trying to start with WOT (wide open throttle). So I learned something too today!

 

[Ornery]

Aach, you're right, element! What's the term for a normal carburetor that uses accelerator pump and venturies, etc?

 

[element]

Wonder what happened to clocker he's not on now...hope he is ok heh. Give us an update man!

 

[element]

Ornery, carbureted I suppose. Not sure if I have the spelling right.

 

[Ornery]

Well, you could have a carburetor with throttle body injection. I think "normally aspirated" was used as a generic term for a normal carb. Sort of like calling an engine a "motor". I hate when people say motor when referring to an engine, though! :disgust:

 

[element]

But even fuel injected engines are normally aspirated, unless they have turbo or a supercharger.

So to recap, you've got carbureted, carbureted with TBI, fuel injection, muli-port/point fuel injection. All being normally aspirated.

Then ya got turbo, twin turbo, supercharger (blower) all being forced air systems.

 

[Ladies Man]

i don't like it when people don't listen to the advise they are given


1st off start off by figuring out what it is or what it isn't
start trouble shooting

Easiest trouble shoot is to jump start the car. Pull up another car beside it and connect the jumper cables and see if it turns over better. IF NOT you know for sure its not the battery... Easiest 1st step you can do.

AFTER you do that come back and report the results and we can go from there.

 

[trek]

If it was the battery it wouldn't crank, period.

-Trek

 

[Ladies Man]

Trek, you sir are an idiot

 

[Ladies Man]

Hey Trek. I bet you also think that if a battery shows 12volts on a meter its good as well right?

 

[element]

<< i don't like it when people don't listen to the advise they are given


1st off start off by figuring out what it is or what it isn't
start trouble shooting

Easiest trouble shoot is to jump start the car. Pull up another car beside it and connect the jumper cables and see if it turns over better. IF NOT you know for sure its not the battery... Easiest 1st step you can do.

AFTER you do that come back and report the results and we can go from there. >>



That makes 2 of us, i don't like it when people don't listen to the advise they are given either.
Speaking of which, did i not specify what the PROPER method of diagnosis is enough times yet? Jump starting a car is not part of the troubleshooting process!!!

Determining if the battery is dead is a trivial task. And should be done before attempting a jump. Trek is right in stating that the battery is not dead if the engine cranks!

 

[Ladies Man]

there is a big differents element® from cranks and crank.

Engines can try to crank over on a dying battery.

<< The engine seems to almost crank over >>


TO ME THAT IS NOT CRANKS.... Its barely doing anything from how he talks. But the lights inside of his car still come on so it COULDN'T be the battery could it?


Trivial Task eh? I guess you too think that a battery could not dead if it reads 12volts on a volt meter.
but geegolly it reads 12volts it should crank right up... more to a battery then meets the eye sometimes. And what could be harder than actually trying what i said? Thats the easiest and cheapest thing he can do right now to see whats up.





element®... not everyone can just rip out spark plugs to tell if there is spark. If he changes his own oil i'd be surprized.

 

[element]

But gee golly, the starter motor is turning the engine, and yet the engine won't turn over? Must be the battery then!?

Come on! If he can't perform the proper diagnosis then he needs to call a tow truck and shell out over $60/hr to a mechanic who can.

 

[element]

hehe for all we know someone may have stuck a potato in his tailpipe....where the hell is he? lol

 

[Ornery]

He probably found a "car oriented repair website"!

Can't help him much, cause these new-fangled, fuel injected thangs just cornfuse the hell outa me!

 

[veryape]

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<< Sounds like you've killed the battery trying to get it started and now you need a jump. When you get someone to give you a jump and if it still won't start hold it to the floor. Some people say not to do that because it's fuel injected but they don't know what they are talking about. Just hold it and don't let it up until it starts because then you will just flood it more, and yes, being fuel injected as it is turning it is spewing more fuel forth, but not nearly as much as it does every time you step on the pedal or turn the key. Holding it sends a slight steady stream. If it's flooded then that is the only way it is going to start, other than letting it sit for a while and then trying it, that usually works too. >>



I disagree, I think the ones who don't know what they are talking about are the people who think the battery is dead when the engine is still cranking. I could be wrong, but I still hold to my opinion that a proper diagnosis is to first check for spark. >>

Funny,i'm the one who went to school for two years for auto mechanics but because I diagnose a battery as dead because the engine is cranking slow I don't know what i'm talking about? It sounds to me that you know nothing about engines, because if you did you'd know that batteries don't just stop working, they die slowly and then totally stop turning the motor. Whatever, keep giving misinformation, works for me.

 

[Ladies Man]

element® my dear friend i never said it had to be the battery. But that is the easiest possible thing he himself can check out. With every post the description of his car problems change. Also just because someone can't perform basic diagnositics doesn't mean they are not allowed to learn. I too would rather ask someone to see if there was an easy fix then to shell out $60 an hour. It would be pretty stupid if something so simple as a worn out battery could end up costing him $200 for towing and then a mechanic to take one look at it and make him buy a new one.

 

[element]

<< Funny,i'm the one who went to school for two years for auto mechanics but because I diagnose a battery as dead because the engine is cranking slow I don't know what i'm talking about? It sounds to me that you know nothing about engines, because if you did you'd know that batteries don't just stop working, they die slowly and then totally stop turning the motor. Whatever, keep giving misinformation, works for me. >>



He didn't say it was cranking slow, he just said it made a different noise. That doesn't tell us much now does it?

Wouldn't you agree that if there were nothing else wrong with the engine, that it would have started up by now? More diagnosis needs to be done. I stand by that statement and challenge you to refute it.

 

[Ladies Man]

actually element he DID

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Clocker
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Wednesday, January 09, 2002 7:39 PM



The car does turning over a bit. It has a deeper tring to cranover sound. If that makes any sense. Is there a pasrticulkar forum i could get into regarding this matter.


Clocker
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Wednesday, January 09, 2002 7:49 PM



OK I believe the battery works. The engine seems to almost crank over.



seems to ALMOST crank over... hummmmm

 

[element]

If you'll notice the times he posted, the "almost crank over" post was made over a half an hour after his first post. This indicates he listened to you goons rather then me, and hence has probably drained his battery trying to crank over an engine which obviously has more problems than just a dead battery. Had he listened to me and done a proper diagnosis, he could have at least saved himself from draining the battery and wear and tear on the starter motor.

Oh well he can always charge the battery later. Too bad it will all come back to having to troubleshoot the real problem, beginning with testing for spark anyway.

 

[Ladies Man]

oh gezzz

if that battery was any good at all he could be there all day long letting the starter run wild and it wouldn't be dead. 30 mins of doing it should be no sweat.

with each additional post you are just losing it. Testing for spark as i already brought up earlier might not exactly be an easy thing for him to do.

 

[Ladies Man]

<< Alternatively, you can remove a spark plug and clamp it to a good ground on the engine block, then view it for spark while someone cranks the engine. Careful as it has a very high voltage going to it, so don't touch it. >>



maybe he killed his battery using your advice huh?