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i speak from experiance.  i thought car batteries work like nicad batteries... they hold their charge as long as possible then die all of a sudden. at least that is what mine did just after the 52 month warranty on it... it almost turned over once, then nothing.
-Trek >>
that's a little bit different than draining the battery after too many unsuccessful startups!
and i agree with Element, as i learned the same thing from my father, who is a veteran mechanic!