[engadget] Origin PC drops AMD graphics options due to feedback, support woes

[Keysplayr]

Is that what is really going on in this thread?

Seems more like a bunch of crying over nothing because some guy said something mean about AMD.

But, have it

So few words, but it says it all.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Is that what is really going on in this thread?

Seems more like a bunch of crying over nothing because some guy said something mean about AMD.

But, have it

Pretty much. Page after page of accusations that can never be proven, even though they may be correct. Seems some posters can just not let go of anything that smacks of criticism of AMD.

 

[Black Octagon]

I agree that this thread is much ado about nothing. If there were evidence of NV playing a hand in this, and especially if Origin were a bigger name, then this might merit a discussion.

Maybe.

If there wasn't anything else more interesting to discuss.

 

[Ibra]

Is that what is really going on in this thread?

Seems more like a bunch of crying over nothing because some guy said something mean about AMD.

But, have it

Pretty much. Page after page of accusations that can never be proven, even though they may be correct. Seems some posters can just not let go of anything that smacks of criticism of AMD.

Posts of the year. Teizo & rozentundra123456 for presidents. :thumbsup:

 

[NTMBK]

Posts of the year. Teizo & rozentundra123456 for presidents. :thumbsup:

When you're getting praised by Ibra you know you're doing something wrong.

 

[3DVagabond]

Not sure if this was posted but this seems more legit and AMD should reach out to Origin PC IMO.




http://www.pcworld.com/article/2052...ion-to-so-publicly-dump-amd-video-cards-.html

So AMD didn't inform them of Hawaii ahead of time nor give them any free pre-release samples? I'll bet that's the case with a majority of retailers. They're PO'd and decided to throw their toys out of their crib.

 

[Grooveriding]

When you're getting praised by Ibra you know you're doing something wrong.

^this

 

[3DVagabond]

According to their whiny little baby of a CEO. This guy has no clue how to act professionally, you don't burn your bridges and call out companies in public. What a maroon.

You do if your feelings are hurt and you want to "show them that they can't mess with you".

 

[3DVagabond]

What if at some point Nvidia is way behind like with the Fermi delay? This clown burned his bridge with AMD so what then, he has to wait it out and lose revenue until Nvidia gets their ducks in a row? It's happened before, it could happen again. That's why anyone with a mild amount of business sense doesn't pull this crap. Sure it might help him in the short term, but short term thinking in business is a recipe for failure.

He'll just buy them from whoever he used to buy them from. It's not like AMD sells graphics cards.

 

[3DVagabond]

I don't question that they could have real support issues from AMD I question the timing. There is absolutely no reason to dump AMD after 15 years when there has been news of newer faster flagship gpu's with a new crossfire implementation, updated crossfire drivers that have been announced, and mantle all known to be coming in less than 2 months.

His supposed issues just do not line up with the timing of all the recent AMD news. This is the main reason everyone is calling bs on his statement, not that we think AMD can do no wrong. Whether he was paid off, or just simply is having a hissy fit because he didn't get the 290x to play with yet will probably never be known.

But they didn't send him free hardware. Next thing you know he'll be accusing people here at AT of being AMD viral marketers Oh wait, that was someone else who got mad about not getting their tummy rubbed by AMD.

 

[Skurge]

I think it is better we look at his claims individually then claim nVidia bought him out.

So what about the whole AMD cards overheat and stuff? If He buys from MSI, Asus, etc, then he should be dealing with them right? not AMD. Since AMD and Nvidia don't sell cards.

If other companies or even the average joe can build systems with 4x referance 7970s in off the shelf cases without them overheating. I don't know what going on with origin. If they are building watercooled systems that should be less of a problem should it not?

The issues he cited were overheating, stability, scaling and slow driver updates. I'm sorry, but AMD cards don't overheat. Not more than their nVidia counterparts.

AMD cards are less stable than nVidia ones? In what sense? Game crashes, system crashes? Doesn't sound like it from other reviewers or other system builders or even users here.

Scaling? AMD typically has better scaling than Nvidia in MGPU. Their framtimes are the issues not the scaling.

Slow driver updates? BS. AMD release Beta drivers at the same rate as Nvidia and they release WHQL drivers more often than Nvidia.

So where does that leave us?

 

[Arkadrel]

So where does that leave us?

with alot of made up excuses from a guy with a PR nightmare, that comes off looking like he was bought out to badmouth AMD, for a card deal with nvidia.

And alot of pro nvidia users on the forum saying "there is no smokeing gun" and makeing light hearted jokes to derail thread from the real issue.

 

[Keysplayr]

with alot of made up excuses from a guy with a PR nightmare, that comes off looking like he was bought out to badmouth AMD, for a card deal with nvidia.

And alot of pro nvidia users on the forum saying "there is no smokeing gun" and makeing light hearted jokes to derail thread from the real issue.

I think it was retaliation for poor service from AMD. AMD treated them like some of you were when you first heard this news. "Who?" "WhatPC?" "Who give a crud?". Like a little hole in the wall computer boutique who nobody cares about and who cares what they say.

This probably ticked off the CEO and wanted to give AMD some bad press.
Now, both Nvidia and the OriginPC CEO said "NO" concerning any money exchanging hands paying for this public outburst.
Many of you are refusing to accept this due to extreme bias in favor of AMD. This was completely expected and none of you left anyone wanting.

 

[NTMBK]

I think it was retaliation for poor service from AMD. AMD treated them like some of you were when you first heard this news. "Who?" "WhatPC?" "Who give a crud?". Like a little hole in the wall computer boutique who nobody cares about and who cares what they say.

This probably ticked off the CEO and wanted to give AMD some bad press.
Now, both Nvidia and the OriginPC CEO said "NO" concerning any money exchanging hands paying for this public outburst.
Many of you are refusing to accept this due to extreme bias in favor of AMD. This was completely expected and none of you left anyone wanting.

And you are refusing to acknowledge that there are still some doubts remaining.
This was completely expected from someone bought by NVidia.

 

[MeldarthX]

I think it was retaliation for poor service from AMD. AMD treated them like some of you were when you first heard this news. "Who?" "WhatPC?" "Who give a crud?". Like a little hole in the wall computer boutique who nobody cares about and who cares what they say.

This probably ticked off the CEO and wanted to give AMD some bad press.
Now, both Nvidia and the OriginPC CEO said "NO" concerning any money exchanging hands paying for this public outburst.
Many of you are refusing to accept this due to extreme bias in favor of AMD. This was completely expected and none of you left anyone wanting.

Wrong Keys - I can say why; as I said I worked for Falcon Northwest; one of these small boutique places; We had reps from AMD; Intel, Nvidia and ATI all coming to talk with us to get us to exclusively use each of their parts...Kelt being the damn smart businessman always answered; give us fastest parts and we will use you.

AMD knows who Origin as Origin was part of a lot of giveaways with all AMD parts on facebook and a few other places; to say that AMD didn't treat them right a load.

This was payout - plain and simple as I've pointed out. Nvidia doesn't look great in this but doesn't really hurt them; the rep that's got trashed is Origin which is one of the biggest reasons why Kelt would never ever agree to something like this.

Short time; you gain money; cards at a discount....long time you've damaged your rep because you can't keep your stories straight. As he keeps changing his story and back tracking.

As I said if this was just a normal deal - nothing would of been said; lines would of changed....and no annoucements; trying to create dirt where none is.

At Falcon Northwest; we'd refresh our line ups ave 6 months. What ever was the fastest at the time would go into the Mach Vs. Whether that was Intel; AMD, Nvidia; ATI.......we never shouted about the change in line ups; we would just get one with building fastest machines we could.

Is there a smoking gun; no until someone get's a hold of emails and such; but anyone that's in the business knows what went down....

 

[NIGELG]

Which other 'boutique' PC builders have had these issues and so had to drop AMD?....One would think that they all would have these issues if AMD is the problem.

Suspicious indeed.....

 

[Keysplayr]

Wrong Keys - I can say why; as I said I worked for Falcon Northwest; one of these small boutique places; We had reps from AMD; Intel, Nvidia and ATI all coming to talk with us to get us to exclusively use each of their parts...Kelt being the damn smart businessman always answered; give us fastest parts and we will use you.

AMD knows who Origin as Origin was part of a lot of giveaways with all AMD parts on facebook and a few other places; to say that AMD didn't treat them right a load.

This was payout - plain and simple as I've pointed out. Nvidia doesn't look great in this but doesn't really hurt them; the rep that's got trashed is Origin which is one of the biggest reasons why Kelt would never ever agree to something like this.

Short time; you gain money; cards at a discount....long time you've damaged your rep because you can't keep your stories straight. As he keeps changing his story and back tracking.

As I said if this was just a normal deal - nothing would of been said; lines would of changed....and no annoucements; trying to create dirt where none is.

At Falcon Northwest; we'd refresh our line ups ave 6 months. What ever was the fastest at the time would go into the Mach Vs. Whether that was Intel; AMD, Nvidia; ATI.......we never shouted about the change in line ups; we would just get one with building fastest machines we could.

Is there a smoking gun; no until someone get's a hold of emails and such; but anyone that's in the business knows what went down....

You're basing all this speculation that you know the actual business relationship between AMD and OriginPC on a long ago association with Falcon Northwest?
Different company. Different time.
Falcon Northwest is Falcon Northwest. OriginPC is OriginPC.
Because the CEO of Falcon Northwest did not publicly announce poor support from AMD has NO bearing on the fact that the CEO of OriginPC, did.

 

[Keysplayr]

Which other 'boutique' PC builders have had these issues and so had to drop AMD?....One would think that they all would have these issues if AMD is the problem.

Suspicious indeed.....

I don't know of any others.
One would think....... a bit too much IMHO.

 

[NIGELG]

I don't know of any others.
One would think....... a bit too much IMHO.

Well one company alone whining and crying and cutting off AMD does look suspicious while the others are not.....

 

[Lonyo]

Well one company alone whining and crying and cutting off AMD does look suspicious while the others are not.....

They said themselves they don't sell many AMD products.
Who might guess why AMD doesn't pay them much attention? Maybe it's because they don't sell much AMD product.

We sell a small percentage of AMD systems compared to NVIDIA

The lack of communication for someone that buys, sells, and promotes their products was not the only factor, but it was a major factor.

Potentially we are looking at such small numbers that it's the sort of level where AMD would indeed not communicate with them, because they are too small to pay attention to.
Just like NV might if they were that small in NV terms.

 

[Grooveriding]

Poor guy at Origin. Must be regretting this blunder after not pulling it off like he'd hoped.

 

[MeldarthX]

You're basing all this speculation that you know the actual business relationship between AMD and OriginPC on a long ago association with Falcon Northwest?
Different company. Different time.
Falcon Northwest is Falcon Northwest. OriginPC is OriginPC.
Because the CEO of Falcon Northwest did not publicly announce poor support from AMD has NO bearing on the fact that the CEO of OriginPC, did.

It does though Keys as it shows; we did cycle parts; and never made any sort of announcements as we knew exactly what would happen....this.

Even if there no money that changed hands *its a very big if* Why would you make this anouncement? Business wise it doesn't make any sense to do this; specially with a massive launch of a new gpu a couple weeks away unless they are getting something out of it in return.

As I said; they gained short term in rebates on stock; which shows better on their bottom end; but long term. Its damaged them as a brand and turned a lot of possible customers away.

 

[smackababy]

It does though Keys as it shows; we did cycle parts; and never made any sort of announcements as we knew exactly what would happen....this.

Even if there no money that changed hands *its a very big if* Why would you make this anouncement? Business wise it doesn't make any sense to do this; specially with a massive launch of a new gpu a couple weeks away unless they are getting something out of it in return.

As I said; they gained short term in rebates on stock; which shows better on their bottom end; but long term. Its damaged them as a brand and turned a lot of possible customers away.

I highly doubt this. I would guess the buyers of OriginPC have zero preference in NV / AMD. They just want the fastest system they can afford with as little hassle as possible. Apparently AMD wasn't providing this as well as Origin wanted.

 

[Keysplayr]

It does though Keys as it shows; we did cycle parts; and never made any sort of announcements as we knew exactly what would happen....this.

Keys- But this company......did. It does not make them Falcon Northwest.

Even if there no money that changed hands *its a very big if* Why would you make this anouncement? Business wise it doesn't make any sense to do this; specially with a massive launch of a new gpu a couple weeks away unless they are getting something out of it in return.

Keys-To make AMD sorry that they didn't give OriginPC the support they deserved or needed?
And business wise, how can you say it makes no sense? Look at the publicitiy OriginPC is getting and will continue to get while this conspiracy debate goes on and on. I've never heard of OriginPC, until a few days ago. Just like millions of others.

As I said; they gained short term in rebates on stock; which shows better on their bottom end; but long term. Its damaged them as a brand and turned a lot of possible customers away.

The company will do a lot more business in this "damaged" state than it ever would have prior to these events. And the most ironic part is, they can still offer AMD components if they want to. Any board partner or online vendor will sell to them to build their rigs.

 

[MeldarthX]

I highly doubt this. I would guess the buyers of OriginPC have zero preference in NV / AMD. They just want the fastest system they can afford with as little hassle as possible. Apparently AMD wasn't providing this as well as Origin wanted.

As I said; this anouncment; banging on a drum to try and sling mug at AMD doesn't make sense from business stand point - it makes them look silly specially when ceo can't keep his story straight. It does damage you as a brand.

If you're doing a product cycle; you show the new products; not burn the hell out of bridges publicly; specially just before a new gpu launch. In this business it doesn't make any sense unless your company has gotten something to do it. Plain and simple.