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Eminem NOT dead

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I didn't feel that question needed an answer considering you your self said it doesn't matter what I answered. But, for your information, I listen to rock/alternative rock. Feel free to voice your oppinions about that genre of music as I don't care either way, I'm still going to enjoy it, and take no offence to what you have to say.
 
So you're one of those punk type kids with long purple hair and buy CDs that feature nothing but guys screaming and shouting..which features no evidence of any coherence people in the background? I mean, all the rock "music" I've listen to contains nothing but guys pounding on their drums as hard as possible and guys who pretend they're playing the guitar but basically stringing it a hundred times.

And by saying you don't care what others say despite them having no information whatsoever means that you condone ignorancy. Do you really think no one should know anything yet continue to talk about stuff?
 
<< all the rock &quot;music&quot; I've listen to contains nothing but guys pounding on their drums as hard as possible and guys who pretend they're playing the guitar but basically stringing it a hundred times >>

You're listening to the wrong kind of Rock music.

<< And by saying you don't care what others say despite them having no information whatsoever means that you condone ignorancy >>

No it doesn't, it means he's indifferent. He couldn't care less. If you ask me, it's a better position to be in than having a fit every time someone disagrees with you. Why can't we all just get along? you seem to ask.
 
Show me evidence of intelligent reasoning why someone doesn't like rap. And no, &quot;RAP BLOWZ&quot; or &quot;RAP SUXORS&quot; isn't intelligent.

<< You're listening to the wrong kind of Rock music. >>

But I've heard Rock music. Are you trying to say there's difference within the genre? That some types of it are good, while others are bad? You mean that just because I've listened to a few rock songs where the lyrics go, and I quote:

&quot;aAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAH, LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH&quot;

That that isn't representative of all the rock songs out there? No way.

I for one do not listen to rap. It's really not my type of music.

But, I am open-minded enough that someone else likes it, then I'm willing to appreciate that these guys do it for a reason. You guys on the other hand, are ignorantly and blindingly bashing it for no apparent reason other than to just bash it.

What's the point? I assume you're just bitter men that browse forums all day because of a lack of a real social life, and complains about everything like milk prices rising or TV having too many channels. That's got to be it..
 
gotta love you people.. if its something you do like, it must &quot;suck&quot; or &quot;blow&quot;. and god forbid you value a human life, you are all calling for this man to die? how pitiful are you? just because you dont like someone's music or attitude doesn't mean that they should DIE. I dont like your anti-eminem posts, so I wish you would all just go crash your car into a tree and die a gruesome death. you see what I mean?

someone posts a yahoo news link to someone getting killed and everyone's so sorry for them. someone posts a link to a supposed eminem death and everyone's wishing it was really true. that says a lot about society.


all of you are just conformists, bashing eminem because everyone else is.
 
<< Are you trying to say there's difference within the genre? That's not possible >>

Wait. Let's try rap. You would put, say...DMX and Dr. Dre in the same category?

<< I am open-minded enough that someone else likes it, then I'm willing to appreciate that these guys do it for a reason >>

First of all, how am I &quot;not willing to appreciate&quot; someone else's tase? Appreciating their taste doesn't mean I have to like it. That statement is full of hypocrisy. You say that you are willing to appreciate someone else's opinion? What about the dissenting opinions? Those don't count?

<< You guys on the other hand, are ignorantly and blindingly bashing it for no apparent reason other than to just bash it >>

No, we're bashing it because we don't like it. Not just to bash it.

<< What's the point? I assume you're just bitter men that browse forums all day because of a lack of a real social life, and complains about everything like milk prices rising or TV having too many channels. That's got to be it... >>

That's a good one. Did you come up with it yourself? You're actually the one who made a warning thread about Eminem's death. Call me whatever you want, but that doesn't change the fact that you're a hypocrite in need of a Debating class. It saddens me that can't have an intelligent argument...

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<< just because you dont like someone's music or attitude doesn't mean that they should DIE >>

I won't speak for everyone else, but I never &quot;rejoiced&quot; that he was dead in the original thread:
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<< all of you are just conformists, bashing eminem because everyone else is >>

Why is it so hard for anyone to accept that some people don't like what you like? To each, his own. Jeepers Creepers, next thing you know they'll be taking me away for speaking harshly of Dubya. 😉
 
Golden Bear,

I didn't say ANYTHING about rap music accept that I don't like it. Am I allowed not to like it? Must I have your permission? I didn't make any steriotypical comments about rap, all I said was that I hated it.
 


<< Show me evidence of intelligent reasoning why someone doesn't like rap. And no, &quot;RAP BLOWZ&quot; or &quot;RAP SUXORS&quot; isn't intelligent. >>


I DON'T ENJOY LISTENING TO IT. That's all music is, something to listen too. If you don't like listening to it, then you don't like it. I don't need to say why I don't like listening to it, I just don't.
 
<< Wait. Let's try rap. You would put, say...DMX and Dr. Dre in the same category? >>

You do realize there are more than two rappers out there. If you don't like them, then do you really think ANYONE needs to hear your opinion?

<< No, we're bashing it because we don't like it. >>

Explain to me exactly why you do that. Is it part of your stress relievment plan, or do you just make it a habit of jumping in where you don't belong?

<< It saddens me that you have to resort to name-calling instead of an intelligent argument... >>

Talk about hypocrisy..

<< I won't speak for everyone else, but I never &quot;rejoiced&quot; that he was dead in the original thread: >>

Others did, and we assume you were all on the same boat.

The bottom line is, did the title of the thread ask, DO YOU LIKE RAP MUSIC?

IF it did, then your opinions would be more than welcome. But as the fact stands, the thread asked absolutely nothing of whether your opinion on rap music, and the fact that you jump in and say, &quot;rap sucks&quot; or that you wished he was dead has absolutely nothing to do with it. Why must you stick your noses in where you don't belong?
 
<< I DON'T ENJOY LISTENING TO IT. >>

CAPITALIZING EVERYTHING YOU SAY ALWAYS MAKES A GREAT ARGUMENT.

<< I don't need to say why I don't like listening to it, I just don't. >>

That's great. But please reread the title of the thread.
 
FrogDog,

Are you the Anti-Porn Guy?
Are you a loser?
Are you a nerd that can't take a good beat?
Do you listen to Korn or some &quot;hardcore&quot; rock band?
Do you realize new rock music is BS?
Do you realize you are an idiot?
 
It's pretty ironic that people saying they hate Eminem because of his lyrics about death and murder are wishing for him to die:Q

I personally like Eminem, not for what he says because I'm intelligent enough to get over that and I know it's a bunch of bull anyways, but because of his beats and the way he raps. Most of my friends listen to other kinds of music, and I can keep an open mind, without going around saying this sucks, and that's crap.

If you don't like it (given that you've actually listened to more than what you see on the news about Eminem...) that's fine with me, but keep it to yourself. Not that I care, but it's really annoying and absolutely not worth debating over.
 
<< Wait. Let's try rap. You would put, say...DMX and Dr. Dre in the same category? >>

You do realize there are more than two rappers out there. If you don't like them, then do you really think ANYONE needs to hear your opinion? >>

What??? You should really read my post before you start replying to it, you just made yourself look like an idiot. You said there can't be more than one style within a genre, and I asked you if you would consider DMX and Dr. Dre to be of the same style, considering they're both in the genre of RAP.

<< Others did, and we assume you were all on the same boat >>

Wow that's very intelligent of you. Make gross generalizations and then throw people into them.

<< you jump in and say, &quot;rap sucks&quot; or that you wished he was dead >>

Please point out to me one place in this thread where I said &quot;rap sucks&quot; or wished that Eminem was dead? Oh, that must be another one of your gross generalizations, right? *sigh*
 
Yes, the argument is not whether or not you should like Eminem, or whether it's wrong or right to like him, but rather why you're telling everyone why you don't like him. Especially when it's just mindless bashing..
 
Konichiwa, if you don't like rap music that's ok with me. I guess I should have never even said anything in the first place since a flame war was already in the making.

Personally for me a bash on rap is a bash on the culture from which it originated. The thing is, we're all different individuals and hold different values. While one person may not care about anything that a person says, another may get totally offended. I'm of the latter group. I'm easily offended but that's purely my individual quality.

Feel free to tear my post to shreds and tell me that I'm soft. Remember, &quot;Who I am is who I'll be 'till I die. Either accept it or don't f**k with it, but if we're gonna be dogs then you're stuck with it.&quot; A true revelation of life.
 
Before I say this I'll admit that I do listen to the ocassional rap song. I have a few DMX songs that I crank up when I'm at work and some other stuff I'll ocassionally grab. This doesn't change the fact that MOST rap does suck.

Show me evidence of intelligent reasoning why someone doesn't like rap

How about the fact that rap artists are a dime a dozen. Other than a few who have longevity a countless number make one song, get on some music video driving around a borrowed bentley with 4 lbs of gold chains around them, then you never hear of them again. Anybody who smokes spliffs and sits around in their apartment all day scratching records and calls themselves &quot;an artist&quot; needs to open a dictionary.

Rap lyrics are almost all the same. If the rapper isn't talking about his bit*hes he's talking about his 40 ounce of gin or how he had to 187 a cop. Oh sure, they say they keep it real, but even to a low-life there must be more to one's existence. Iregardless of the facts that most rappers are poor role models you take the average rap song and put down its &quot;lyrics&quot; side by side to an alternative piece and you'll notice that the alternative musician tops the rapper in several areas:

1) Musical ability. Yes its true, playing an electric guitar takes more skill than scratching a record.
2) Singing ability. Anybody can &quot;rap&quot;, because all it is is talking. Let me tell you when I follow along with some hip hop stuff I have absolutely no trouble. Get some alternative/rock, etc. and suddenly I realize that my lack of practice or professional training is actually the reason why I can't do it.
3) Longevity. When something is so easy to do the area gets saturated. How many rappers from 10 years ago are still making music? What about 5 years ago? Damn, look at the top 20 from _two_ years ago, and how many of those rappers are even remembered?

There is a reason why only teens and young adults listen to rap. This is because they have yet to grow up and realize how crappy most of it is. Like I said, some is good and has a rockin beat, but I would be embarassed if I had to admit that rap made up more than 2-3% of my music collection. My music collection does include alternative, rock, classical, classical rock, basically most music types except for country (none), and almost no rap. I don't care for the blues, not becaue I think its bad but I am merely impartial to it and I appreciate many of it's musicians are very capable.
 
OK, I'm making a reappearance - Skoorb, that bullsh[/b]it you see on MTV is mostly crap. Listen to some rap with meaning then get back to us. DMX is garbage, definitly not an example of a good artist. Listen to some Mos Def, has musical talent, and lyrical talent as well, plus he's just damn smart. People, don't open your mouth when you don't know what you're talking about, it'll save you a lot of trouble



<< This doesn't change the fact that MOST rap does suck. >>


Ok, how much do you listen to? I'm guessing not much - so a portion of what you're exposed to sucks, what are you proving?



<< How many rappers from 10 years ago are still making music >>


A lot actually, there's many artists who came out between 91-94 who are still considered the best out there. You're looking too much at the mainstream, what you see on MTV, and what you hear on the radio - ANYTHING in the mainstream is forgotten about by the next day, I could make that point with any type of music.
 
Well if DMX is crap compared to better groups or artists why is DMX more popular?

Popularity does not mean quality all the time, but I've based all my arguments on the most mainstream rap, and that is mainstream because the most people listen to it, so in that sense it is representative.
 


<< Well if DMX is crap compared to better groups or artists why is DMX more popular? >>


Hah, man that's a question I'll never be able to answer. Go to a real messageboard or ask someone who's really into Hip Hop, they'll tell you how much DMX sucks:

-removed link, mods won't go for it IMO- Basically they're making fun of DMX because of how fake he is.

As far as rap goes, popular does NOT equal better. Some of the best artists out there only sell 500,000 albums while most garbage goes 3x Platinum (look at Nelly: The one hit wonder)
 
Those of you who are offended at a saying such as &quot;Rap blows&quot; really need to grow up. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, and an opinion that &quot;rap blows&quot; does not necessarily mean the individual in question is ignorant.

I've listened to all forms of rap with an open mind, and for most I have formed the opinion that it's crap. It has nothing to do with the color of my skin, or that I'm &quot;...a spoiled white guy from the suburbs...&quot; Most rap is crap to me simply because it is an assault on my eardrums. On some rare occasions, a song will come out with a good beat that I actually enjoy. I'd mention a few titles, but all of the &quot;true rap fans&quot; would get their panties all in a bunch about it, so I won't.

My personal preferences are for music that is actually created with real instruments, and I appreciate the real talent of the artists who compose it. I enjoy a song with good vocals, and appreciate the artist's singing skills, especially since it is a talent I lack. Rap music has neither of these qualities, hence my opinions of it. I also do not care for the lyrics of most rap music. To me, glorifying violence and &quot;the thug's life&quot;, and occasionally spewing messages of hate, disqualifies it as art. It is also very difficult for me to respect an 'artist' who, even though he may be quite successful, still acts as if he's an adolescent hood living in the bad side of town.

I fail to see nearly all rap as art, and consequently have formed my opinions about it.

Call me ignorant, and I'll tell you to read A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, by James Joice. It's poorly written, and filled with flaws in the central story, but it does give the best definition of art I've ever read. Read it, and then try to tell me that I am wrong.

Before anyone flames me, take the time to re-read my post and realize that regardless of my opinions, everyone else is free to feel differently. Just because &quot;rap blows&quot; to me doesn't mean you are not able to enjoy it and appreciate it as art.
 
Well I will openly admit I've had no experience with less popular non-mainstream, my entire argument is only about mainstream rap that you see on MTV.
 
Ya know, I was about to type up a big response to you reitz, but I said screw it. I could care less if you guys are so misinformed and unexposed, so I'm gonna shrug it off and chalk the whole thing up to this:

You guys have no clue what you're talking about.

I'm officialy done with this thread 🙂
 
genocide, or maybe you'd benefit by reading the book I suggested.

You probably wouldn't like the story, but at least you wouldn't look nearly so stupid.
 
Oh come on, reitz, tell us the &quot;rap&quot; titles you like. I DARE you.

Your post was the least informative and most opinionated with you attempting to come off as an &quot;expert&quot;. You just showed how little you know about the genre and what you said is just your opinion.
 
F@ck that SH!T ... Eminem SUCKS!!! ... and he SUCKS BIG C@CKS too!!!
He can't rap, he's got an annoying voice, he thinks he's from the ghetto. The guy is a total toss pot !!!

The only reason why he got so big is the fact that he's got Dr. DRE backing him. Otherwise ... just another Vanilla ICE ... baby 😉
 
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