MmmSkyscraper
Diamond Member
LOL at the videos. Time for Peter Moore to employ Terry Tate in QA.
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Embarassing EA programming in NCAA 09
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Queasy
Moderator<br>Console Gaming
Hmm, I have to question one thing about these videos...the defense is from DivII teams - FCS East and FCS MidWest. I'm guessing the player ratings for these teams is extremely low and could likely be a major factor. I'd like to see similar videos against mid to upper tier Div I defenses.
HardcoreRobot
Lifer
this is why i still just play TSB
Queasy
Moderator<br>Console Gaming
Who said it was the testers? More than likely it was EA/the producer of the game that decided to release the game with known issues. This happens every year and every year people blame the testers as if they have the final say in whether or not a game gets released with bugs or not when the testers are actually at the bottom of the totem pole.
Nope, teams do not make a difference.
http://www.operationsports.com...ssues-response-ea.html
The first patch due out within a week only fixes the roster corrupt glitch. Rumors have it that a patch to fix the more glaring gameplay issues will be out in September but I wouldn't hold my breath for them to make that deadline (remember it was closer to December last year before we got a patch). Not to mention: MS limits all patches to under 4Mb and they are only working on a 2 patches as far as I can gather as the more patches that are released the more money it costs. Not to mention they want to move on to NCAA 2010
I agree with you and that is how I should have worded my post.. because the assumption I get is that you are right.
What irks me is that the roster corrupt glitch was a known bug but the code was already in a RTM status. They fixed the bug for Madden because the code was not yet finalized. Why couldn't they have begin working on a patch for NCAA 09 at that moment? Seems like they could have been working on fixing what known bugs and most glaring gameplay issues was still left in the code. Most of the gameplay issues seem pretty obvious and shouldn't require us to point them out to EA. To me, it just seems like someone at EA really dropped the ball on this.
Madden will be getting a Day 1 patch. But for NCAA 09 we will be lucky to get the fist patch by the 12th that is only fixing the roster bug.
blurredvision
Lifer
Who ever said it was a known bug? The bug was found by the roster editors 3 to 4 days before the retail release of the game, but EA didn't know about it. One of the developers who posts over at operationsports.com said they have a test that automates inserting characters into each name of every player on every team. However, the bug only surfaced when you started using max characters (or over 13 characters, since the 13-character limit from years' past was upped this year). They've now added a test for upcoming years.
As a tester myself at a major printer manufacturer, I work directly with the developers of the firmware and test certain sections of both our consumer and business-class products. This kind of stuff is very common to happen.
lmao wow
You know the last NCAA I bought was 05 for the PS2. The thing stopped working mysteriously after 3 weeks and I went back to 04. I didnt purchase one for the next 4 years until I got 09. I got 09 becuase a PS3 resides in my home. With all the power of the new consoles they still screwed up this game.
Point taken but it still doesn't answer the main question as to why NCAA is enforced to a much slower and limited patch timeframe.
Bugs found at the Community Events. Russell_SCEA stated in a later post that they don't get to play much at all if any against the CPU at these events which would be a good reason why they may not have found as many bugs as we have found after the release date
Now look at this little gem of a thread
OMT:
To which OMT replied at post 139 #:
OMT never answered this post:
I understand that they could not change NCAA code because it was finalized but if they can release these gameplay fixes on the 12th for Madden why can't they not release such fixes for NCAA? If it is known to solve such issue that they would apply it to Madden than it should be fine for NCAA too (the engine is most likely the same if these issues identified for NCAA was patched for Madden on release day).
It doesn't make sense why EA could not have been working on a patch for NCAA after the code was done and before the game was released so that a patch could be pushed to Sony and MS for certification.
Madden 09 went Gold on June 25th. This means two things:
1.The NCAA 09 final code was of course gold before Madden went gold, they found gameplay issues from the final NCAA 09 code and fixed these issues before the Madden code went gold. Which raises another question.. if these were known fixes than why wasn't there work on pushing on completing a patch forward for certification from Sony/MS for NCAA 09 well before launch day? We are going to very lucky to get a gameplay patch for NCAA 09 in September.
2. The gameplay issues that are very apparent in NCAA 09 was not found until after the game was released. Meaning that they had to patch a finalized Madden code which contradicts what I quoted OMT saying above that Madden's code was in Alpha stage which couldn't be possible.
Isn't EA wonderful? :|
So I've been trying hard to replicate many of these videos. I've picked the same teams, same difficulty, and same situations.
So I poked around with some things and managed to somewhat replicate this scenario.. I'm doing it in practice mode so unfortunately I cannot post a video.
I tried to match the plays exactly. From the looks of the video, the offensive play he ran was Power O in the normal I formation, as the 2 WRs run straight ahead and there's a FB. On defense it looks like the 4-3 formation with everyone but the CBs and FS blitzing - so Engage Eight.
Ok, so first, Virginia Tech's RB is ranked 97 speed. This is crucial as speed is one important thing here.
Second, I had to dumb down the AI. I heard AI sliders affected human players, too, but I decided to try them anyway. I cranked up my offensive abilities to 100, and set all CPU defensive sliders to 0.
This helped the blocking, but I still couldn't get the CBs to be as stupid as the video - in particular, not rushing my RB and instead backing up to match my angle. I saw some retarded linemen do this while trying, so I checked the replay, found their number and checked their stats. DT #56 - Speed 65, awareness 76, agility 70.
Ok, I thought, let me try that out. I saw the CBs number didn't change, so I will assume they didn't just create a bunch of 0-overall players. So I went to the roster editor and dumbed down just 1 CB - #2 - the one who has been getting to me and who looked like a retard in the video (on Heisman difficulty no less). I set his awareness down to 70 and changed nothing else.
Tried again - and there you go - he stopped attacking and ran alongside.
So now I went nuts - I took control of the defense with a 2nd controller, changed the depth chart so the defenders were playing roles they had poor awareness of - so FS to CB, OLB to FS, etc. Nothing else changed but their awareness - they were just as fast, just as hard-hitting, they just weren't natural for the position.
Ran it a few times, and got the exact results. Whoever created the video definitely had to modify player stats, as otherwise it is just not possible.
So, basically to do this, you need to 1: have a fast RB, 2: have solid blocking, and 3: be facing defenders with poor awareness.
As for the whole patching crap - Madden gets priority over NCAA because it is a much bigger franchise.
So I poked around with some things and managed to somewhat replicate this scenario.. I'm doing it in practice mode so unfortunately I cannot post a video.
I tried to match the plays exactly. From the looks of the video, the offensive play he ran was Power O in the normal I formation, as the 2 WRs run straight ahead and there's a FB. On defense it looks like the 4-3 formation with everyone but the CBs and FS blitzing - so Engage Eight.
Ok, so first, Virginia Tech's RB is ranked 97 speed. This is crucial as speed is one important thing here.
Second, I had to dumb down the AI. I heard AI sliders affected human players, too, but I decided to try them anyway. I cranked up my offensive abilities to 100, and set all CPU defensive sliders to 0.
This helped the blocking, but I still couldn't get the CBs to be as stupid as the video - in particular, not rushing my RB and instead backing up to match my angle. I saw some retarded linemen do this while trying, so I checked the replay, found their number and checked their stats. DT #56 - Speed 65, awareness 76, agility 70.
Ok, I thought, let me try that out. I saw the CBs number didn't change, so I will assume they didn't just create a bunch of 0-overall players. So I went to the roster editor and dumbed down just 1 CB - #2 - the one who has been getting to me and who looked like a retard in the video (on Heisman difficulty no less). I set his awareness down to 70 and changed nothing else.
Tried again - and there you go - he stopped attacking and ran alongside.
So now I went nuts - I took control of the defense with a 2nd controller, changed the depth chart so the defenders were playing roles they had poor awareness of - so FS to CB, OLB to FS, etc. Nothing else changed but their awareness - they were just as fast, just as hard-hitting, they just weren't natural for the position.
Ran it a few times, and got the exact results. Whoever created the video definitely had to modify player stats, as otherwise it is just not possible.
So, basically to do this, you need to 1: have a fast RB, 2: have solid blocking, and 3: be facing defenders with poor awareness.
As for the whole patching crap - Madden gets priority over NCAA because it is a much bigger franchise.
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