Wow. That's a pretty huge generalization, but I can't say I disagree entirely. Many religious people are resistant to social change because they feel like they would be betraying their religion.
Elton John says religion promotes homophobia
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Wow. That's a pretty huge generalization, but I can't say I disagree entirely. Many religious people are resistant to social change because they feel like they would be betraying their religion.
KLin
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mrSHEiK124
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If he thinks he can freely say religion should be banned entirely, how is that any different from homophobes who want to eliminate homosexuality? Fvcking hypocrite...
Gays are an easy target. It isn't cool to hate on Jewish people any more. Get this - it was actually the Catholic Church who initiated the tradition of forcing all Jewish people in a village to wear yellow stars. After WWII they couldn't get way with their Jew hatred any more.
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I'm not the most religious person in the world, but you can't simply ban religion, people will believe what they wish. 'Banning' it will only force it under ground, nothing more.
Secondly, many charitable groups are religious based, so they are responsible for a lot of good in the world.
Secondly, many charitable groups are religious based, so they are responsible for a lot of good in the world.
IAteYourMother
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really? vietnam, iraq, iraq ii, wwi, wwii, civil war, korean war, falkland islands, mexican war, revolutionary war, war of 1812, 100 years war, ...
banning organized religion is like banning the nuclear bomb - it benefits everyone.
whereas criminalizing homosexuality doesn't benefit anyone.
edit: it is idiotic to think Elton John actually wants all religion to be banned. it is quite obvious that his comments are an expression of his frustration at the perverted, corrupting influence that christianity has on the lives of its adherents and the harmful effects christianity has on the lives of lesbians and gays. People tend to make exaggerated, extreme statements when they are frustrated. I am 100% certain that if you were to ask him if he SERIOUSLY thinks it would be a good idea, or even feasible, to completely ban religion, on reflection he would say no.
I know lot's of really good people who consider themselves Christians.
Most of them are also terribly intolerant of things that fall outside of their concept of how things "should be". I can manage to be around them without incident because I avoid politics in conversation and I never EVER talk religion with them. To most of them my silence is the same as approval and that allows me to be fit neatly somewhere their world view.
I often wonder what they'd say if I told them that I am an agnostic who couldn't care less what the gay population did. I somehow think that these "good" people wouldn't be so nice to me anymore...
Most of them are also terribly intolerant of things that fall outside of their concept of how things "should be". I can manage to be around them without incident because I avoid politics in conversation and I never EVER talk religion with them. To most of them my silence is the same as approval and that allows me to be fit neatly somewhere their world view.
I often wonder what they'd say if I told them that I am an agnostic who couldn't care less what the gay population did. I somehow think that these "good" people wouldn't be so nice to me anymore...
IAteYourMother
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banning homosexuality would allow us to lock up an idiot like you.
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And banning you would allow us to be rid of one more bigot.
Lighten up, or go elsewhere. If you cannot manage the first option, we can enforce the second one.
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mrSHEiK124
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Sorry to tell you buddy, you're just as big of a hypocrite as Sir Elton John here. The right to follow a religion, and the right to be homosexual, are both choices anyone is free to make. The difference between you and I is that I have absolutely no problem with you being gay, although I might not agree with it, I'm not going to try and stop you. You on the other hand, seem to have a big problem with religion. Well, you can bite me for all I care, because you're a hypocrite and have the reasoning of a homophobic 5 year old.
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mrSHEiK124
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Where do you get this stuff? I'm not saying the Catholic Church was blameless, but they didn't come up with the idea, either.
Yellow Star
who is Abbassid caliph Haroun al-Raschid?
doesn't your link confirm that the first time this occurred on a major scale (or at least, the first time that we know of, that is well documented) was on account of catholic church policy in Europe in the middle ages..?
mrSHEiK124
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Uh, no; the proper comparison is as follows:
Religion: Point of view, philosophy
Homosexuality: Point of view, sexual orientation
You have to compare apples to apples, not to oranges. If you wanted to say Homosexual, you'd have to use.....Religious Person.
blah blah blah
it is idiotic to think Elton John actually wants all religion to be banned. it is quite obvious that his comments are an expression of his frustration at the perverted, corrupting influence that christianity has on the lives of its adherents and the harmful effects christianity has on the lives of lesbians and gays. People tend to make exaggerated, extreme statements when they are frustrated. But I am 100% certain that if you were to ask him if he SERIOUSLY thinks it would be a good idea, or even feasible, to completely ban religion, on reflection he would say no it is not a good idea.
I'm always interested to hear what he has to say. He's grown into the role of elder statesman of the gay community, and he is representative of a certain (older) generation of gay men. I'm much more interested in his opinion than say the opinion of some kook like the Pope.
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