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Indus

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Oh, and apparently my suicide risk is higher since transitioning because someone said it is. 🙄

Let's see, what have I accomplished since transitioning...

I am a practicing well known and respected internal medicine physician practicing in one of the countries largest Healthcare systems. I am also adjunct faculty at a local university and teach medical students regularly. I got attending of the year last year. I give medical lectures. I am active in 5 medical committees. I have served our veterans working at the local VA. I was chief resident of my medical program and rewrote the training program.

I am married to my wife. We have 4 kids. I am active in my local church. I donate to local charities. I play the piano, organ, violin, percussion and guitar. I have been in plays and musicals. I have performed at the university level. I speak Spanish.

I am a transgender woman and have had "surgeries." Last I checked I am happier as a consequence. I see it. My family sees it. Apparently, I am required to prove it to the world with my accomplishments and prove I am not some freak.

BTW, I have genetics that point to intersex conditions. Wouldnt have known that by looking at me.

I think the suicide risk is high for those who don't love themselves and find themselves in a deep depression because of the need of validation or love from others.

My wife is trans. When I met her she was depressed mainly due to her dad hating the fact she's trans and repeatedly trying to kill her. However being with me and some good friends who accept her have helped her mental well being immensely.

Sadly we know about the suicides all too well. One of her friends who transitioned had a job where she was verbally abused to the point that it became toxic and she killed herself.
:(

Non toxic positive environment is the key not just for trans people but for everyone!

I think Elon personally is just mad at LGBT because his own child is trans! It's hard for people to accept their own kid is born in the wrong body.. I dunno I guess it questions their Manhood.
 

TheVrolok

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Oh, and apparently my suicide risk is higher since transitioning because someone said it is.

Let's see, what have I accomplished since transitioning...

I am a practicing well known and respected internal medicine physician practicing in one of the countries largest Healthcare systems. I am also adjunct faculty at a local university and teach medical students regularly. I got attending of the year last year. I give medical lectures. I am active in 5 medical committees. I have served our veterans working at the local VA. I was chief resident of my medical program and rewrote the training program.

I am married to my wife. We have 4 kids. I am active in my local church. I donate to local charities. I play the piano, organ, violin, percussion and guitar. I have been in plays and musicals. I have performed at the university level. I speak Spanish.

I am a transgender woman and have had "surgeries." Last I checked I am happier as a consequence. I see it. My family sees it. Apparently, I am required to prove it to the world with my accomplishments and prove I am not some freak.

BTW, I have genetics that point to intersex conditions. Wouldnt have known that by looking at me.

For some reason I thought you were EM. Instead, just another academic internist in it for the money! ;)
 

Lanyap

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More Twitter drama.

Twitter apparently repealed the policy of banning links to other social platforms. That lasted less than 24 hrs. Instead they've put up another poll - they really love those polls - asking whether or not they should “have a policy preventing the creation of or use of existing accounts for the main purpose of advertising other social media platforms.”




This is just too much drama for me. I'm going to have to take a xanax and lay down.
 
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kitkat22

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I'll have to read the entire study when I have a moment, as the first page is contrary to everything I've ever read about the subject.
Do you know right off hand if there will be a follow up in five years? I would find it very surprising if the results weren't positive the first year, and would expect those results to trend down over the next few years to fall in line with other similar work.

I anticipate a lot of additional studies. this isn't the first or the last. My favorite line in the abstract "These data add to existing evidence suggesting that gender-affirming care may be associated with improved well-being"
 

kitkat22

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For some reason I thought you were EM. Instead, just another academic internist in it for the money! ;)

I am actually not academic, really. I don't do research nor have I been paid by any pharmaceutical company. I am a hospitalist at 2 local hospitals that I alternate shifts. I essentially go where I am needed and typically work about 1.5-2x the average hospitalist. It's just part of my nature. I'm gonna laugh at the "money" part. Internists make money!? That should result in excessive LOL's!
 
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MrSquished

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Musk blames anybody but himself. Interest rates did go to but comparing Tesla's performance to its peers, Tesla is severely underperforming them, who also have to deal with the same interest rates

 

Amused

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Apparently you've done this study already, is it published? I'd like to read it.

I don't know the answers here, I'm not even sure if I know the right questions, but I am curious, so I read what information is available. What I find to be a complete waste of time are the people like yourself that declare the "facts" and claim seeking information is bigotry.

In the time it took you to NOT read the study she posted, I did.

Your answer shows you didn't read it AT ALL, or you would understand what I was saying was SUPPORTED BY THE FUCKING STUDY YOU DIDN'T READ.
 
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kitkat22

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I think the suicide risk is high for those who don't love themselves and find themselves in a deep depression because of the need of validation or love from others.

My wife is trans. When I met her she was depressed mainly due to her dad hating the fact she's trans and repeatedly trying to kill her. However being with me and some good friends who accept her have helped her mental well being immensely.

Sadly we know about the suicides all too well. One of her friends who transitioned had a job where she was verbally abused to the point that it became toxic and she killed herself.
:(

Non toxic positive environment is the key not just for trans people but for everyone!

I think Elon personally is just mad at LGBT because his own child is trans! It's hard for people to accept their own kid is born in the wrong body.. I dunno I guess it questions their Manhood.

There are a lot of people in positions of authority who feel it is their "devine" right to push their viewpoints on others. The echo chambers speak very loudly and even when offered medical evidence and literature, they look at it as an "agenda." Or say things like, "the researchers were biased" or "this wasn't a randomized controlled trial." They will even look at my credentials and background and just claim I'm a "loony-bin." That's fine. My work speaks for itself.

I get frustrated when the news flashes up "this person detransitioned! see! see! it's all false! My answer is "duh" of course people have and will detransition. The goal is to try to minimize the need for that which is why there are clinics designed for this. We want to do the right thing for the individual not politicians.

It sucks being a target. Elon doesn't help the situation and seems to be bitter about his current situation and frustrated. He sees he is currently a mockery and his decisions are having a downward spiraling effect. The current public perception of him is not good and he is losing a ton of "goodwill" because of his rather random and haphazard decisions.
 
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kitkat22

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In the time it took you to NOT read the study he posted, I did.

Your answer shows you didn't read it AT ALL, or you would understand what I was saying was SUPPORTED BY THE FUCKING STUDY YOU DIDN'T READ.

"she/her"

BTW, just to add to his frustration - the journal references 37 journal articles in support of the reference that gender affirming care is supported by the literature. It is currently cited 17 times in other journals. Basically, this study is pivotal and again adds to the vast supportive information we already have.
 
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Amused

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"she/her"

BTW, just to add to his frustration - the journal references 37 journal articles in support of the reference that gender affirming care is supported by the literature. It is currently cited 17 times in other journals. Basically, this study is pivotal and again adds to the vast supportive information we already have.

Apologies.
 
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woolfe9998

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Musk blames anybody but himself. Interest rates did go to but comparing Tesla's performance to its peers, Tesla is severely underperforming them, who also have to deal with the same interest rates


Yes and as that article says, the stocks hit hardest by the increase in interest rates are the ones that were already overvalued.

Shares of fast-growing companies such as Tesla have been hit especially hard this year, as they're primarily valued based on their future cash flows.

Tesla is doing fine in a relative sense, but so much of its value was/is based on future expectations rather than current profits.
 

cytg111

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I think the suicide risk is high for those who don't love themselves and find themselves in a deep depression because of the need of validation or love from others.

My wife is trans. When I met her she was depressed mainly due to her dad hating the fact she's trans and repeatedly trying to kill her. However being with me and some good friends who accept her have helped her mental well being immensely.

Sadly we know about the suicides all too well. One of her friends who transitioned had a job where she was verbally abused to the point that it became toxic and she killed herself.
:(

Non toxic positive environment is the key not just for trans people but for everyone!

I think Elon personally is just mad at LGBT because his own child is trans! It's hard for people to accept their own kid is born in the wrong body.. I dunno I guess it questions their Manhood.

Yea, that needs get taught to the parents, your child's suicide risk is directly correlated with the job you're about to do.
 
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Vic

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Meanwhile, Elon and TSLA's share price today are doing their best impersonation of Fry's speech near the end of Futurama's Future Stock episode.
 
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Meanwhile, Elon and TSLA's share price today are doing their best impersonation of Fry's speech near the end of Futurama's Future Stock episode.

He made comments he likely won't leave Twitter and it plunged back down. He's his own worst enemy. when I checked this morning they were up around $5 in pre market. then he spoke.....
 

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I got accepted into the Post beta. Looking forward to watching it evolve.

I’ll check out the Spoutable beta as soon as that’s available (probably sometime next month).

Thanks for all of the hilarious and embarrassing memories Elon 🫶🫶🫶
 
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Bullshit. If you actually believed this then you wouldn't be pushing your "but the children" lies. Your agenda is for LGBT to be labelled a mental illness and then outlawed. Probably executed as criminals. You can lie to yourself but that ends there.

It won't end there, as that's all he does, and that's all he's been doing for like over a decade now on here.
 

Greenman

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I anticipate a lot of additional studies. this isn't the first or the last. My favorite line in the abstract "These data add to existing evidence suggesting that gender-affirming care may be associated with improved well-being"
As reasonable a response as one could ask for, thank you.
 

kitkat22

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As reasonable a response as one could ask for, thank you.

You are welcome. I love discussion and really try to be reasonable in my responses. One of the advantages I have is access to a ton of medical literature and databases. The general population does not have ready access to this time. The article above is freely available through JAMA, but I suspect that was because it has pretty widespread implications. It does indeed reference 37 other articles, but getting access to all of them would be a challenge without institutional access. Same with the cited articles. It then doesn't come as a surprise that many have not heard of these, primarily because they can be behind a paywall. It's a fault of how the journal system is set up. Journals need subscribers and articles, but the good ones know they can't just take garbage research because they will lose subscribers. Peer reviewers do a surprisingly good job of being very critical of research.

Having said all that, I love answering honest questions. There are a lot of questions out there and a lot of frustration, anger and just bitterness. It's frustrating on my part because I get viewed as "less than" or a "mental illness." I also happen to have an incredible support group from family, work, friends and church. I also happen to be able to be a voice for an incredibly vulnerable population. I advocate for appropriate medical care and I tend to be relatively conservative with my approach to transgender issues. At the same time, I also recognize I don't have all the answers.

I will offer what I offer to everyone who sincerely asks. I will be happy to answer questions. If I don't immediately have the answer, I will be happy to research it.
 

Zorba

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Musk blames anybody but himself. Interest rates did go to but comparing Tesla's performance to its peers, Tesla is severely underperforming them, who also have to deal with the same interest rates

"Tesla is firing on all cylinders..." considering they have no firing cylinders, this seems to imply they are failing at everything.
 

UNCjigga

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someone lock this individual up in a padded room, clearly not fit for society /s

I was going to make a sarcastic joke of “yeah but which of the 72 pronouns do you use and how many kids have you groomed??” to make fun of those whose sole experience with trans issues is asking these questions—or worse, making policy assuming the answers to these asinine questions. But I don’t think the dangerous environment people like csc have to deal with is a joking matter.
 
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MrSquished

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When you are a shithead and many of your customers are anti-shitheads, this is what happens. Please Elon, stay at Twitter and keep tweeting!

the url is broken, here is the article from cnet

Tesla Buyers Are Bailing Because of Elon Musk, the 'Worst Troll'
Tesla salespeople say "a lot" of customers canceling orders blame Musk's Twitter behavior.

The last straw for Heather was Elon Musk's vitriolic attacks on Anthony Fauci, one of the world's most respected immunologists and the outgoing director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. For Logan, it was when Musk, days after taking over Twitter, ordered employees to stop paying bills to vendors for services they'd already rendered.

For Tom, Musk's corrosive and erratic leadership of Twitter since he bought the social media site at the end of October was just too much.


And when each of them called to cancel their Tesla car preorders or to terminate their car leases over the past few months, saying Musk's toxic behavior was the reason, they were told pretty much the same thing from the Tesla salesperson on the other end of the line: "We're hearing a lot of that."

For the past two months, Musk, 51, has been managing Twitter as its new owner and CEO, after paying $44 billion to buy the company. Now it seems the toll of his chaotic leadership style, while also splitting his time, is wearing on his other companies. The world's second-richest person is also CEO of electric car manufacturer Tesla and rocket maker SpaceX.

On Sunday, Musk initiated a poll asking users whether he should step down as CEO of Twitter. When the poll closed early Monday morning, 57% of 17.5 million accounts that voted said he should go. Musk said he would abide by the vote, though as primary owner he'll still have a say in how the company's run. He hasn't said who he's considering to replace him.

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After paying $44 billion to buy Twitter, Elon Musk asked users whether he should step down as its leader.
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If Musk's tenure as CEO may be drawing to an end, it comes after his work over the past couple months was punctuated by his outspoken embrace of extremist right-wing reactionaries, his attacks on former staff from marginalized communities, his spreading of homophobic lies about an attack on the husband of Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and his haphazard pronouncements of new policies at one of the world's most influential communications platforms.

Twitter is no longer a publicly traded company, but Tesla is. And investors there appear unhappy.

Tesla's shares have plummeted more than 33% since the deal was finalized Oct. 27, with Musk reportedly pulling engineers from projects at the carmaker to help keep the lights on at Twitter after he unceremoniously fired half of Twitter's employees a week into his takeover. Big name advertisers, who account for nearly 90% of Twitter's sales, have bailed. Those who've spoken publicly say his corrosive behavior, in addition to poorly planned changes to the site that led to a proliferation of fake accounts, are too much.

On Monday, Oppenheimer was among the first major analyst firms to issue a downgrade for Tesla's stock, CNBC reported, rating it at "perform" from "outperform" before.

The South African entrepreneur has sold nearly $40 billion worth of his Tesla shares to help fund Twitter, even as an estimated $1.2 billion interest payment comes due over the next year. His personal fortune has dropped by about half, to $156 billion, according to Bloomberg's Billionaires Index, which tracks real-time net worth of the world's richest people.

Elon Musk speaking, dressed in a black sport coat and open-neck white shirt

Elon Musk became the world's richest man primarily through his work at Tesla.
Screenshot by CNET

And the man who loves to create memes and hashtags has become the subject of many, with detractors calling him out with #ElonTheSnowflake, #ElonIsDestroyingTwitter and #ElonMuskIsaGiantTurd. Last week, the Twittersphere dubbed him "Space Karen" for pulling the plug on a Twitter's Spaces discussion after he failed to answer questions by some of the journalists who he'd banned temporarily from the site after they wrote stories about him he didn't like.

"His personality is absolutely tanking the Tesla brand," said Heather, a biotech executive who's nearing the end of her lease for an extended-range Model S. "I'm looking forward to having an Elon-free existence."

Heather and other Tesla owners have increasingly been telling family, friends and posting on social media that they no longer want to be associated with him. More than a dozen accounts have tweeted seeming cancellations for Tesla cars in response to the billionaire's tweets, often to mocking responses from Musk defenders.

Three customers whose lease payments were finishing or were about to take delivery on a car spoke with CNET on the condition of anonymity because they worried that they might be harassed online and, potentially, in real life by the online mobs that endorse Musk and are now emboldened to say whatever they want on his platform. CNET gave them pseudonyms for this story and in one case changed the gender of a Tesla customer because they were so concerned about the possible backlash. They have good reason to be worried.

Yoel Roth, Twitter's former head of trust and safety, and his family were forced to flee their home for fear of their physical safety, the Washington Post reported, after Musk attacked him in a series of tweets. Musk misrepresented Roth's academic writing about sexuality and children, which led to a flood of harassment and threats toward the Twitter executive, his family and professors who reviewed his earlier work. (Roth resigned from Twitter after Musk declared himself "chief twit," making clear he'd be calling the shots rather than deferring to trust and safety teams focused on "principled development.")

Ultimately, those online mobs, have added complexity to the swirl of emotions people have around Twitter, Musk and Tesla. For example, Logan, a Tesla Model 3 lessee from southern California who works in real estate services, was drawn to Tesla and its battery-powered cars because he didn't want to support oil companies and also because he really liked the car. "It's comfortable and it drives great."

But Musk's behavior since taking over Twitter, including his short-lived defense of rapper Kanye West's antisemitic comments disparaging Jews and praising Nazi leader Adolph Hitler, was too much.

"I don't want to support a company or anyone who acts that way," Logan said.

Tom, a former Tesla investor who owned a car and had put down a deposit with SpaceX's Starlink satellite internet service, said he's walking away from endeavors by Musk's companies altogether.

Once impressed with Musk and his businesses, Tom now says of Musk that he's "the worst troll in my feed."

"If he wants to be CEO of social media company, he should really focus on that and let this other company go," Tom added. "If he stepped down from Tesla, I would definitely reconsider keeping the car."

An image of Elon Musk carrying a sink into Twitter headquarters

Elon Musk carried a sink when he arrived at Twitter's San Francisco headquarters the day before his takeover. His accompanying tweet said, "Let that sink in."
Elon Musk / Getty ImagesCall and response


These Tesla owners aren't alone. A poll by YouGov found that opinions about Tesla among car buyers have radically shifted in the past two months. The company had a net-positive score of 5.9% at the beginning of this year, peaking at 6.7% in May. But in November, it fell to a negative 1.4% reading last month, The Wall Street Journal reported, and that was before Musk tweeted his attack on Fauci. Morning Consult found more people hold a similarly negative view of Tesla than at the start of the year.

Tesla is still the most widely used electric car brand in the US, according to S&P Global Mobility, which tracks automotive industry data. Two years ago, it represented 79% of electric vehicles registered in the US. But that number's dropped to 65% so far this year, as major competitors including GM, Ford, Hyundai and Toyota expand their EV offerings. By 2025, S&P Global Mobility expects Tesla's share of the EV market to plummet to below 20%.

For his part, Musk in October told analysts on a financial earnings conference call that he tracked "excellent demand" for the holiday shopping season. He said he expected to "sell every car that we make for as far into the future as we can see." Those comments were made a week before he took over as Twitter's CEO.

But Tesla sales staff suggest a different story. When Logan called to cancel his order on a new car at the end of his lease early next year, Tesla staff offered him nearly $4,000 to keep the order. The company's entry-level Model 3 sedan starts at $46,990, not including tax incentives and other savings. Prices go up to more than $162,940 for a Model X SUV.

Tesla appended a note to its website in December with an offer, similar to Logan's, of $3,750 off the sticker price and 10,000 miles of free Supercharging to anyone willing to take delivery of a new Model 3 or Model Y crossover before the end of the year.

A tweet from Elon Musk in which he calls himself a free speech absolutist.

Elon Musk has said he wants to allow people to post all tweets that don't break the law.
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Heather, the biotech executive who's a fan of muscle cars, said she got a call from Tesla around the time Musk took over Twitter, asking if she planned to keep her lease on her Model S or trade it in. When she said Musk's behavior had turned her away, the staff tried to distance themselves from their CEO, saying he doesn't represent the whole company.

When sales staff called again, Heather told them it's only gotten worse. Once a regular Twitter user, Heather's decided to move to competing social network Post. "I don't know what's happened to him," she said, asking why the Tesla's board of directors is allowing his behavior.

Tesla, which doesn't have a PR department, didn't respond to a request for comment, nor did its board of directors. Twitter, which also no longer appears to have a PR team, didn't respond to request for comment. Musk, who tweets many times each day, didn't respond to requests for comment either.

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Musk has said if he can't turn Twitter around, it may need to declare bankruptcy.

Tesla owners aren't the only people upset about Musk's behavior. A chorus of analysts and investors on Wall Street have been raising alarms since Musk announced his plans to take over Twitter last April.

Tesla's third-largest individual shareholder, Indonesian billionaire KoGuan Leo, tweeted last week that he believed Musk had abandoned the electric car company. "Tesla needs and deserves to have working full time CEO," he wrote, comparing Musk to Apple CEO Tim Cook, who's helped build the iPhone maker into the titan of industry it is today. "An executioner, Tim Cook-like is needed, not Elon."

When Tesla investor and Motley Fool writer Brian Feroldi tweeted at Musk that shareholders were "concerned that Twitter is consuming too much of your time," Musk defended himself saying he'd "literally just finished" a meeting about Tesla production progress in Texas.

Many investors were not convinced. Tesla's stock has fallen more than 60% so far this year, with the biggest dips coming after Musk announced his Twitter takeover plans and again when he became CEO. And though Musk himself publicly said in April that he didn't plan to sell any more Tesla share sales, he did just that throughout the year, netting near $40 billion. That includes another quiet share sale in mid-December of about $3.6 billion, according to financial filings.

Musk's behavior hasn't just soured investors and customers. They've also hit his fans. Tom, the former Tesla investor who owned a car and reserved a spot with SpaceX's Starlink satellite internet service, said he plans to buy an alternative electric vehicle when his lease expires next year.

"He was someone to look up to," Tom said. "Now, I would rather pay more money to be with a different company."
 
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