Elke's Warning

[fskimospy]

Please. Why do you feel the need to defend Jhhnn's post? He always does the same routine anytime anyone raises a conservative concern. In this instance, I disagree with Boomerang but that doesn't mean Jhhnn's post isn't the same-old garbage.

I didn't defend his post, in fact my post implicitly called Jhhnn's nonsense.

 

[IronWing]

OP: America is overrun by corporatists and fascists and you're seriously worried about socialists and communists? The fascists actually held the White House for eight years and immediately plunged us into ten years of war and counting, pissing on the Constitution every step of the way. The bogeyman is here and he ain't wearing a red scarf. It wasn't the socialists who passed the Patriot Act, set up DHS, established secret courts with secret evidence, authorized "extraordinary rendition" and hired contract torturers. That was all accomplished by fascists and their craven conservative bootlicks in Congress afraid to speak out in defense of American values.

Meanwhile the socialists are too busy critiquing each other's essays on textual analysis to worry about real world politics.

 

[Moonbeam]

boomerang: One casual mention in OT and you've been resurrected yet again! How exciting! I'm not sure which mod's alt account you are but I learned to ignore your ramblings a long, long time ago.

M: You realize, I hope, that I know which mod account I actually am and therefore actually do know the real accuracy with which you speak. So, while I can't prove to you what an idiot you are, I do actually know myself.

b: I will give you credit if it's due. Unlike eskimospy, there is a chance you actually listened to what Elke had to say. Of course you summarily dismissed it like the good comrade that you are.

M: I did listen and I did dismiss as did every other rational person that listened. As I said, she appealed to you because her limited world view matches your own. Remember that no person with a limited world view can have that fact demonstrated to them by somebody with a more expansive one because of the fact that the limited person's world view by definition limited.

b: The essence of your message is always the same. Moonbeam the thinker, thinking he's thinking better than anyone else could possibly think. You're a hoot.

M: The message is always the same. Fools always feel as if others are making fools of them. By saying that others are out to claim their superiority you demonstrate your own inferiority and nothing more. Your conviction of your own stupidity makes you deaf.

 

[Moonbeam]

Doesn't it say a lot that some ego-stroking made him come back? For the people that cried for him to come back, be careful for what you wish for. He's supposed to the wise Sufi mystic account but if he posts long enough he devolves into the underlying fury and ego-driven nonsense.

Yes, if I post long enough I'll eventually get around to you and provoke you to feel your underlying fury and ego-driven nonsense. You will not make a single step on the path to self understanding until you realize that all you see and can see is your own hidden inner truth.

But what really interests me is how I was able to experience that ego stroking that was going on here while at the same time not being here. You see that when you think like an idiot you come up with idiotic ideas.

Do you make me angry. Yes, because you piss all over yourself.

 

[CallMeJoe]

I agree with the OP; unless we're very, very careful the United States could easily end up another Socialist Democratic Hell like Sweden, Finland or Norway.

 

[piasabird]

Welcome to the United Socialist Republic. A place where everyone in America is wrong.

 

[Infohawk]

I agree with the OP; unless we're very, very careful the United States could easily end up another Socialist Democratic Hell like Sweden, Finland or Norway.

But that's not what OP is about. It's about the Eastern bloc. There is a big difference between that and Western / Northern Europe.

 

[gingermeggs]

She was born under Hitler, raised under the USSR's sovereignty in East Germany, and came to America as a young adult. LISTEN to her.

Is there anything to be learned from folks like Elke?

I think we've got too many people in the nation that were not taught history, believe that we're a bad nation, with bad people and that Socialism is just misunderstood and has gotten a bad rap. I think we're doomed to repeat the mistakes of history.

I'm glad I've got enough years under my belt that should the Socialists/Communists/Occupiers win out, that I won't have to live too long under the society that they so desperately wish to force upon the nation. The transition is going to be a bitch, but by the time it's completed I won't have many more years left.

Yeah, I know, I'm a nut. Remember that it happens slowly, under the guise of what is just and good and with the full support of many.

The guns though, they've got to get the guns. That's going to be the real interesting part. What comes after the failure of Fast and Furious?

Poor woman 3 types of political systems all failed, if she had of stuck it out in Germany she be a high flyer by now!

Shows that a little national loyalty is a good thing, when the the going gets tough the tough don't bail out, like stupid whingie lill' bitches.

 

[CallMeJoe]

But that's not what OP is about. It's about the Eastern bloc. There is a big difference between that and Western / Northern Europe.

Battery check...

 

[gingermeggs]

Yes, if I post long enough I'll eventually get around to you and provoke you to feel your underlying fury and ego-driven nonsense. You will not make a single step on the path to self understanding until you realize that all you see and can see is your own hidden inner truth.

But what really interests me is how I was able to experience that ego stroking that was going on here while at the same time not being here. You see that when you think like an idiot you come up with idiotic ideas.

Do you make me angry. Yes, because you piss all over yourself.

An that piss my friend is of course he's own self-hate manifested in a golden shower down the inside of his left leg.

 

[JEDIYoda]

boomerang: She was born under Hitler, raised under the USSR's sovereignty in East Germany, and came to America as a young adult. LISTEN to her.

Is there anything to be learned from folks like Elke?

M: Think about your question. Surely what any one person can learn from Elke depends totally on what he or she already knows. But what I think your real point is, my personal take on your post so far and to come, is that your real feeling is that she has supported a feeling about the meaning of communism and socialism that you already believe and that your real hope is that her words will inculcate in others that same point of view. But the real point, if I may suggest the one I see, is that the truth of what she has experienced, the disastrous system in which she grew up in, her fear of it and her vision of it happening exactly the same way here, the equivalence, for example, of universal health care here and under Hitler and the assumption that the arrow of history between the two separated by time and very different cultures, imply a similar fate for us today, is, I believe, a mistake in logic and simply a hallucination produced by fear.

b: I think we've got too many people in the nation that were not taught history, believe that we're a bad nation, with bad people and that Socialism is just misunderstood and has gotten a bad rap. I think we're doomed to repeat the mistakes of history.

M: Again, I believe you are applying the delusions of fear, a kind of insanity of thought, magical thinking, really, to simple facts that do not, to a calmer or more balanced mind, perhaps we could even say a better educated mind, and yet one still agreeing with many of the same facts, lead to the same conclusions, that some imminent danger lurks in the direction our culture is taking. Imagine for a second that you took a wrong turn somewhere that led you into a ghetto that was pretty scary. Would you be terrified if somebody else in the car, with a good sense of direction, took the wheel and headed back to the place where the wrong turn was taken. Would you feel, as you approached that intersection, that now some new disaster was in store?

b: I'm glad I've got enough years under my belt that should the Socialists/Communists/Occupiers win out, that I won't have to live too long under the society that they so desperately wish to force upon the nation. The transition is going to be a bitch, but by the time it's completed I won't have many more years left.

M: Do not be so sure. When the robots take over, programmed with a massive AI to bring socialism to all, they will resurrect you and keep you young and safe forever, in a paradise of communal bliss. You must never thing there is any place that is truly safe from the insanity of fear. If you are in for a penny, you are in for a pound.

b: Yeah, I know, I'm a nut. Remember that it happens slowly, under the guise of what is just and good and with the full support of many.

M: Indeed so. Communism and socialism enforced by state power are a nightmare brought about by fear, fear that without a leveling control, others will take everything and the disadvantaged will linger, which is exactly what did happen when the haves, fearing the have nots would take everything from them, had the upper hand.

b: The guns though, they've got to get the guns. That's going to be the real interesting part. What comes after the failure of Fast and Furious?

M: There is a huge economy that runs on fear, fear of anything and everything and those who work in that economy have as their task to make you frightened so they can get something from you in exchange for some delusional safety. The NRA is one such organization, the church another. Then there are the survivalists, the politicians, the news media, it is really endless. You must never fall behind the Mr and Mrs Jones next door in any way. You have to wear the right clothes, find the right friends, get the right job, run your little tread mill.

Fear is death. The frightened are dead. We have lost our lives and our way. You have lived long enough in fear that it really is time to die. Do it. Know that everything you fear happened long ago when you were a child and all your terrors are the terrors of a little child controlled by the monsters who gave birth to you. But you do not remember and your terror is that you will. Let yourself feel what you really feel. The road to heaven is found by those who make a wrong turn into hell. The only place that's truly safe is in a state of love.

As somebody once told me: I am the Divinely Beloved who loves you more than you can possibly ever love yourself. Relax and be happy.

Thank God the voice of reason is back!!!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[Moonbeam]

Thank God the voice of reason is back!!!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Thank you. I don't know anything but it does seem to help a bit at least to know that. The more you dump your own garbage out the more instinctively you can recognize folk who are full of shit.

 

[Jhhnn]

Please, please come up with something other than this tired old schtick that nobody listens too anymore.

We get it, really we do. We need a government. Everyone but anarchists thinks so.

Sometimes, ridicule is the answer, which is why you got some.

Tired old Schtick? Yours is the tired old shtick, the usual paranoid fear mongering rant that hasn't really changed for decades.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...re-still-crazy-after-all-these-years-20120316

 

[DominionSeraph]

Jesus fucking Christ.

Learn the difference between a planned economy and simple regulation.