Elizabeth Warren rips the Donald-

[michal1980]

Just a thought but that was 20 years ago at a point in time when aboriginal/first nation populations around the world were starting to seriously reassess who they were within the context of their larger societies. It was also a time when they were just beginning to form global connections between various groups.

I suspect that if asked again the figures would probably be a bit different. Even then almost 50% did not identify with that term to the point of wanting to self identify with a different term.

While not a direct poll, its similar enough to the beloved patriot question.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...a11cfa-161a-11e6-924d-838753295f9a_story.html

same results 12 years ago as today - not offended.

Seems like bleeding hearts are once against looking to be triggered.

 

[jackstar7]

Just saw it on the tweets:
Elizabeth Warren purchased http://pocahontas.com and redirected it to her own official website, just to screw with Donald Trump.

Made me chuckle.

 

[trenchfoot]

Trump preaching to the choir and Trump preaching to those who see him at face value are two wholly different scenarios that will result in two wholly different results.

Trump's big disadvantage is that he has to fight hard to sustain the illusion (and the votes that go with it) that the RNC first alchemized and of which Trump then took for his own from them.

All the Dems have to do is incessantly expose the illusion that Trump has exploited for what it really is to everyone but the far right hard core base who would rather believe in the illusion than face reality.

Sure, there are those Repubs who would treat Trump as if he were Typhoid Mary yet still vote for him purely out loyalty to party, and then there are those who would vote for him simply because they, for one reason or another, have a seething hatred for Hillary.

But that won't be enough to hand Trump the White House. Not by a long shot.

When it comes down to it, it seems to me this election is going to play out the same way as the last, with the same end result. Different players, different styles, same game plans, same final score.

Warren firing the opening shots is merely the start of an intense withering barrage that Trump is going to have to somehow survive. He may be mercurial, but a miracle maker he is not.

As stated earlier, winning a Primary whose electors are party sympathizers is a wholly different story when attempting to win a general that's rife with voters who def don't see Trump through Rove tinted glasses.

The one thing I do give credit to Trump for is how he got around this Conservative sponsored juggernaut:

edit - http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...sidential-election-super-pac-donors.html?_r=0

 

[bozack]

After looking at your thread about "illegals getting getting subsidized health insurance in CA" and how incorrect you were "transcribing" the article to this forum, which you failed miserably, I have little faith you accurately portrayed the above situation, if it ever happened in the first place.

oh it did, yes it did. I could give you the town, location, and time if you like...but just north of the city, at 6:45PM, it was a party of four, two older couples and they were the only others in the place besides us.

Even here people feel she is a phony who exaggerated or lied about her lineage for personal gain, what was she making for a single class at harvard again? 300k or more...and now can somehow "relate" with the working class...

 

[Fanatical Meat]

oh it did, yes it did. I could give you the town, location, and time if you like...but just north of the city, at 6:45PM, it was a party of four, two older couples and they were the only others in the place besides us.

Even here people feel she is a phony who exaggerated or lied about her lineage for personal gain, what was she making for a single class at harvard again? 300k or more...and now can somehow "relate" with the working class...

Does every person in Massachusetts support Warren, absolutely not. Will she win her next election by a large margin, absolutely likely.
I've met a couple of birther guys in Massachusetts. People have different opinions.

 

[Painman]

Jesus feckin' Christ... Seriously people

She's like 1/8 Cherokee or something, same as a lot of folks from Oklahoma. She noted it on a college application form at one time or the other, so the 2012 Scott Brown For Senate campaign latched onto that, and we actually saw (here in MA) people wearing mock headdresses and making whooping noises.

Scotty ended up losing that race, BTW. I believe I pointed that out here not too long ago.

 

[bozack]

Jesus feckin' Christ... Seriously people

She's like 1/8 Cherokee or something, same as a lot of folks from Oklahoma. She noted it on a college application form at one time or the other, so the 2012 Scott Brown For Senate campaign latched onto that, and we actually saw (here in MA) people wearing mock headdresses and making whooping noises.

Scotty ended up losing that race, BTW. I believe I pointed that out here not too long ago.

Warren listed herself as a minority in the Harvard Law School directory among other places...just another example of her honesty...

"Warren, who graduated from the University of Houston in 1970 and got her law degree from Rutgers University in 1976, did not seek to take advantage of affirmative action policies during her education, according documents obtained by the Associated Press and The Boston Globe. On the application to Rutgers Law School she was asked, “Are you interested in applying for admission under the Program for Minority Group Students?” “No,” she replied.

While a teacher at the University of Texas, she listed herself as “white.” But between 1986 and 1995, she listed herself as a minority in the Association of American Law Schools Directory of Faculty; the University of Pennsylvania in a 2005 “minority equity report” also listed her as one of the minority professors who had taught at its law school."

 

[TheGardener]

And it used to be perfectly mainstream and acceptable to call African Americans "Negro" and "******".

I'd wager that Indian is closer to Negro, and Squaw being closer to the latter. Either way, still fucked up, especially when ya consider the roots o' the term and how it disenfranchises the Native Americans.

I wonder what Indian Americans think of Native Americans being called Indian Americans.

The fact that you don't know means you should show some restraint in trying to throw barbs at those who you have don't share a political view point with on other issues. As pointed out American Indian or Indian is an acceptable term to majority of that race and to their leaders. It not likely acceptable to vocal pasty white progressives in the USA who you get your view points from. Try not to be confused.

 

[TheGardener]

Anybody think that a deal was struck with Obama, Warren and Clinton, to later name Warren as her running mate, in exchange for endorsements and enough super delegates to allow Clinton to announce victory before the California vote? Clinton had to badly want to end this delay and avoid further embarrassment. Warren was skipping after her meeting with Clinton. Not bad for a mid-60 year old.

 

[jackstar7]

I don't see the value in Warren giving up her seat to be a powerless VP...

But who knows, maybe, as usual, the Dems have no real strategy for success and will at best stumble into it.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I don't see the value in Warren giving up her seat to be a powerless VP...

But who knows, maybe, as usual, the Dems have no real strategy for success and will at best stumble into it.

She stated if she was asked she wold join in an interview pretty recently

 

[Victorian Gray]

Anybody think that a deal was struck with Obama, Warren and Clinton, to later name Warren as her running mate, in exchange for endorsements and enough super delegates to allow Clinton to announce victory before the California vote? Clinton had to badly want to end this delay and avoid further embarrassment. Warren was skipping after her meeting with Clinton. Not bad for a mid-60 year old.

No.

 

[jackstar7]

She stated if she was asked she wold join in an interview pretty recently

She could say that knowing they won't be asking though.

 

[Jhhnn]

Anybody think that a deal was struck with Obama, Warren and Clinton, to later name Warren as her running mate, in exchange for endorsements and enough super delegates to allow Clinton to announce victory before the California vote? Clinton had to badly want to end this delay and avoid further embarrassment. Warren was skipping after her meeting with Clinton. Not bad for a mid-60 year old.

Sweet & pointless conspiracy theory, huh?

Mainstream Dems have held off endorsing Clinton so as not to give the impression that they're ganging up on Bernie.

After California, it's now mathematically impossible for Bernie to catch up. Endorsements can't color the outcome. Barring a miracle, Clinton had it in the bag after super Tuesday.

Compare & contrast with the happenings among Republicans. They created & nurtured a voter base of low hanging fruit, ripe for a demagogue like Trump.

At least they're not going on about how "We built this!"

 

[Fanatical Meat]

She could say that knowing they won't be asking though.

or she could just say no...

 

[jackstar7]

or she could just say no...

There is a reason you don't hear many people decline to serve in such positions. They're courted before it ever gets to that part to make sure they'll be on board and not embarrass the one asking.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

There is a reason you don't hear many people decline to serve in such positions. They're courted before it ever gets to that part to make sure they'll be on board and not embarrass the one asking.

I meant no during the TV interview. Just seems weird to say I'd do it but not really mean that.
The big sticky point is MA currently has a Republican Governor. He would name her successor then a special election would take place but that's how we got Scott Brown as a replacement for Kennedy.

 

[Painman]

Warren listed herself as a minority in the Harvard Law School directory among other places...just another example of her honesty...

"Warren, who graduated from the University of Houston in 1970 and got her law degree from Rutgers University in 1976, did not seek to take advantage of affirmative action policies during her education, according documents obtained by the Associated Press and The Boston Globe. On the application to Rutgers Law School she was asked, “Are you interested in applying for admission under the Program for Minority Group Students?” “No,” she replied.

While a teacher at the University of Texas, she listed herself as “white.” But between 1986 and 1995, she listed herself as a minority in the Association of American Law Schools Directory of Faculty; the University of Pennsylvania in a 2005 “minority equity report” also listed her as one of the minority professors who had taught at its law school."

Not going say you're wrong; just that it's probably academic at this point. Warren has blown her credibility with progressives by endorsing Clinton and trying to out-shitpost Trump on Twitter.

 

[Painman]

I meant no during the TV interview. Just seems weird to say I'd do it but not really mean that.
The big sticky point is MA currently has a Republican Governor. He would name her successor then a special election would take place but that's how we got Scott Brown as a replacement for Kennedy.

MA governors don't get to make appointments to empty Senate seats anymore, aside from seat-warmers.

And besides, Charlie Baker is probably to the left of Hillary Clinton.

 

[Jhhnn]

Not going say you're wrong; just that it's probably academic at this point. Warren has blown her credibility with progressives by endorsing Clinton and trying to out-shitpost Trump on Twitter.

Since when did you assume the right to speak for progressives?

 

[buckshot24]

She's like 1/8 Cherokee or something, same as a lot of folks from Oklahoma.

There is no evidence of this and even she doesn't claim this. She lied about her heritage.

 

[Painman]

Since when did you assume the right to speak for progressives?

...Roughly 4 minutes before you did?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

There is no evidence of this and even she doesn't claim this. She lied about her heritage.

She's said its an old family story, I have a similar family story, is it true I'm not sure. I look pretty Irish.

 

[Painman]

There is no evidence of this and even she doesn't claim this. She lied about her heritage.

WHO FUCKING CARES. We've got one presumptive nominee on one side who is more or less the Approved Corporatist Candidate, and an evil orange clown on the other.

I'm not even really tuned into that particular show any more.

 

[FerrelGeek]

She's said its an old family story, I have a similar family story, is it true I'm not sure. I look pretty Irish.

I have one of those as well. I'm tempted to do the ancestry.com DNA thing.