Eli Manning is NOT an elite quarterback and anyone who says otherwise is...

[Cuda1447]

So it took Eli Manning 5000 yards to just get the Giants into the playoffs. And you said that the Giants won because they had a better team? No, Eli willed the Giants into the playoffs with his 5000 yards. Bring in Tony Romo and his 4000 yards and the giants would be 7-9, not 9-7.

What the hell do you base that off of? That's pure conjecture. Eli threw the ball more than Romo, so you would expect him to have more yards. That aside, you can't just say that if Romo was on the Giants they would have lost 2 more games and thrown for 1000 less yards. That statement is based on nothing. Its just a guess. The circumstances could be totally different.

I don't think anyone here said Tony Romo was elite though, did we?

 

[Hacp]

Just did some quick research. Here's a bit more impactful stat for you. During the Packers 19 game win streak leading up to their week 13 loss this year, guess how many times the Packers trailed going into the 4th quarter?

NONE!!! 0 TIMES IN 19 GAMES. That means that up until week 13, of this year, Rodgers didn't even have a chance to have a 4th quarter comeback due to his excellent play. That's an Elite QB. Not a QB who is constantly in the position to win/loss a game based on a dropped pass here, or a missed field goal there.

Good for the packers. Now I did some research too. The Giants defense was horrible, Ranked 29th at some point in the season. Manning managed to get his team a superbowl victory with one of the worst defenses in the league.

Its good that Aaron Rodgers had all those one sided victories, but an Elite Quarterback is about both stats and performance under pressure. Rodgers had the stats but couldn't perform under pressure against the Giants. Manning has the stats AND he performs well under pressure.

 

[Hacp]

What the hell do you base that off of? That's pure conjecture. Eli threw the ball more than Romo, so you would expect him to have more yards. That aside, you can't just say that if Romo was on the Giants they would have lost 2 more games and thrown for 1000 less yards. That statement is based on nothing. Its just a guess. The circumstances could be totally different.

I don't think anyone here said Tony Romo was elite though, did we?

No, Romo isn't elite. Thats why he threw for less yards than manning, and thats why he isn't the superbowl MVP. You put an average QB like romo in Mannings place and he fails. You put an Elite QB like Manning in there and he wins a SB.

 

[purbeast0]

How many 4th quarter comebacks did Rodgers have in the playoffs this year? ZERO! Giants had 9 wins in the regular season. Eli Manning had almost 5k yards. You take a couple hundred yards away and the Giants wouldn't even be in the playoffs.

wow really? do we have to do this again?

rodgers is so good that his team is VERY RARELY losing in the 4th quarter. he doesn't NEED to have a 4th quarter comeback cause he has scored 30 or 40 points already.

and on top of that, they got a bye week in round 1 of the playoffs since they were the #1 seed.

fuck some of you people know dick about football but think you do because the fairweather fans come out when their local team starts doing well come january.

 

[Kev]

Ok, what I want to know is if Brady is still considered elite after tonight?

Seems like when New England can't score, it's because people can't catch but when the Giants score, it's because their receivers are good.

The Giants receivers caught passes they should have dropped, while the Patriots receivers dropped passes they should have caught. That, and the fact that almost every lucky break went in the Giants favor, were the deciding factors in this game.

 

[Cuda1447]

Good for the packers. Now I did some research too. The Giants defense was horrible, Ranked 29th at some point in the season. Manning managed to get his team a superbowl victory with one of the worst defenses in the league.

Its good that Aaron Rodgers had all those one sided victories, but an Elite Quarterback is about both stats and performance under pressure. Rodgers had the stats but couldn't perform under pressure against the Giants. Manning has the stats AND he performs well under pressure.

Dude, its difficult debating with you because you just don't get it. You say good for the Packers, like your point is still valid. Its completely invalid and you proved your point even more. It's to be expected that Eli would have more comebacks when he has a chance nearly every game. And Rodgers never had a chance, so why would he have 4th QB comebacks.

Furthermore, the Giants D did suck at the beginning of this year. They also had a ton of injuries. But look at them from about week 12 on. They got healthy and got significantly better. I'd go as far as saying that they had one of the better D's in the league the last quarter of the season and playoffs. Don't be fooled. Eli didn't light the world on fire to get them into the playoffs. He won games with 20 points multiple times. That's not the sign of an elite QB. That's the sign of a good QB that managed the game well and had the help of his entire team, including his defense, to win. You don't say a baseball team that won games 3-2 has a terrific offense, do you? No, they have good pitching and just enough hitting to get the job done. Regardless of how many world series they win, they aren't a great hitting team.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I find myself agreeing with you, at least in the sense that Eli is not as critical to the success of the Giant's offense as Brady, Rodgers, or his brother are to their respective teams.

I don't look forward to hearing the "elite QB" claims of Eli's over-the-top fans.

It'll be almost as painful as listening to the rabid Tebou fans who claim he is a legitamite starting QB.

That's normally true, but I think that changed this year.

 

[Kev]

Dude, its difficult debating with you because you just don't get it. You say good for the Packers, like your point is still valid. Its completely invalid and you proved your point even more. It's to be expected that Eli would have more comebacks when he has a chance nearly every game. And Rodgers never had a chance, so why would he have 4th QB comebacks.

Furthermore, the Giants D did suck at the beginning of this year. They also had a ton of injuries. But look at them from about week 12 on. They got healthy and got significantly better. I'd go as far as saying that they had one of the better D's in the league the last quarter of the season and playoffs. Don't be fooled. Eli didn't light the world on fire to get them into the playoffs. He won games with 20 points multiple times. That's not the sign of an elite QB. That's the sign of a good QB that managed the game well and had the help of his entire team, including his defense, to win. You don't say a baseball team that won games 3-2 has a terrific offense, do you? No, they have good pitching and just enough hitting to get the job done. Regardless of how many world series they win, they aren't a great hitting team.

stop using facts and statistics to prove your point. Eli won the game herp derp

 

[Hacp]

Dude, its difficult debating with you because you just don't get it. You say good for the Packers, like your point is still valid. Its completely invalid and you proved your point even more. It's to be expected that Eli would have more comebacks when he has a chance nearly every game. And Rodgers never had a chance, so why would he have 4th QB comebacks.

Furthermore, the Giants D did suck at the beginning of this year. They also had a ton of injuries. But look at them from about week 12 on. They got healthy and got significantly better. I'd go as far as saying that they had one of the better D's in the league the last quarter of the season and playoffs. Don't be fooled. Eli didn't light the world on fire to get them into the playoffs. He won games with 20 points multiple times. That's not the sign of an elite QB. That's the sign of a good QB that managed the game well and had the help of his entire team, including his defense, to win. You don't say a baseball team that won games 3-2 has a terrific offense, do you? No, they have good pitching and just enough hitting to get the job done. Regardless of how many world series they win, they aren't a great hitting team.

~5000 yards. 6 fourth quarter comebacks. Superbowl MVP. 75% completions in the Superbowl. You wanted stats? Those are the stats. The Giants didn't win the Superbowl despite Eli. The Giants won the Superbowl because of Eli.

 

[Gibson486]

He is a great QB guys. No questions. He is good for the same reason Brady is good. He is a hell of a competitor that doe snot give up. Is he elite? I am willing to consider it now. The only thing he needs to do now is consistently play like he is now.

 

[herrjimbo]

in the packers/giants game only 3 packers showed up: rodgers, driver and kuhn.

i firmly believe the rest of the pack was paid to lose the game.

kind of reminded me of the black sox way way back.

 

[slayer202]

LOL @ OP still denying it...sad

 

[Insomniator]

in the packers/giants game only 3 packers showed up: rodgers, driver and kuhn.

i firmly believe the rest of the pack was paid to lose the game.

kind of reminded me of the black sox way way back.

Are you serious? Did you watch the game? Rodgers was off the entire time. He missed throws he made his entire career before.

 

[Gibson486]

Are you serious? Did you watch the game? Rodgers was off the entire time. He missed throws he made his entire career before.

Actually, I am questioning if you watched that game....

 

[purbeast0]

Actually, I am questioning if you watched that game....

makes two of us. i don't think i've ever seen so many dropped passes as i did that game. i can recall only 1 pass rodgers missed by a lot where he had a wide open receiver that probably would have been a td. but that was after like 5 drops by his teammates.

 

[MiniDoom]

rooted for the giant, cant stand eli's goofy ass. but yeah, he has to be considered in the elite class now. probably will be hof qb one day...

 

[darkswordsman17]

He is a great QB guys. No questions. He is good for the same reason Brady is good. He is a hell of a competitor that doe snot give up. Is he elite? I am willing to consider it now. The only thing he needs to do now is consistently play like he is now.

My thoughts exactly.

Speaking of dropped passes, the Giants were up there. In spite of that, a much worse offensive line than Brees/Rodgers/Brady had, and them being last in rushing, he had the Giants as a top 10 offense in pts/game and yds/game. The defense wasn't even good all year. Eli set the tone for the team, and played up to it consistently all season. That was his problem in the past, consistency, and that will be what he has to do to become elite.

 

[Rockinacoustic]

From the original post...

An elite QB to me takes a team that isn't very good and makes them a playoff team.

Hmmm, So what happens when you do this plus win a Super Bowl... and then when you do it again?

 

[Cyco]

From the original post...



Hmmm, So what happens when you do this plus win a Super Bowl... and then when you do it again?

Methinks elite quarterback. And damn fuck do I hate Eli Manning and the Giants.

 

[MiniDoom]

and the redskins swept them this year, dominated last time in december. yeah we suck, but that was nice!

 

[Hacp]

Methinks elite quarterback. And damn fuck do I hate Eli Manning and the Giants.

Yep. 29th ranked defense. No running game. 5000 passing yards from Eli. Superbowl!

 

[Cyco]

and the redskins swept them this year, dominated last time in december. yeah we suck, but that was nice!

At least you have that. As a Broncos fan, I hope you rid yourself of the cancer that is Shanahan. He's one helluva coordinator, but so is Wade Phillips. Broncos have lived through both of them. Just saying.

 

[NeoV]

I would remind you that when you throw for ~5000 yards, your running game is going to have less than stellar stats - what was the Packers running game rated this year? The Patriots? Bradshaw had some injuries this year as well.

I'm amazed at the audacity of the op at this point - I can see having this discussion at least at the start of the playoffs - what else does Eli have to do now?

I'd say, right now - the top QB's in the NFL are Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Peyton (assuming he's able to play) - and I put Eli next on that list.

 

[Rockinacoustic]

Guess I'm just a prisoner of the moment

 

[bradley]

Not only is Eli incredibly modest, but he's smart enough to know stats and ratings mean nothing without the end result. Thirty-one years old and he already has two Vince Lombardi trophies.

The odds of getting to the Super Bowl much less winning it twice are pretty slim; they just don't give them away to nice guys. Certainly Eli easily outplayed Brady the last eight minutes of the game.

Congrats to the Giants and fans who survived their weekly/annual big blue heart attack. lol