Elderly Woman Shoots And Kills Intruder

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: Tab

Tell him to sit down, cross his legs, put his hands behind his back and interlock his fingers.

If he doesn't comply, shoot him in an limb. Repeat, until subject complies.

Exactly. You're the one with the gun; you're in control of the situation.

If you two are joking around, you are being extremely funny. I cant stop laughing. Seriously, it hurts.

I dont think they are...🙁

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: slash196
Exactly. You're the one with the gun; you're in control of the situation.

The local news said she shot him through a door. Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you're in control, especially if you're within arm's reach of a young whippersnapper who is 8 times your size.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
An objection to that, Jaskalas, would be what if some 12 year old kids were "trespassing" on your lawn? Those crazy kids these days, they could be up to anything, better shoot them just to be sure.

Crazy people owning guns is also a danger to society as a whole. Though I'm sure you'll think it's self-defense when your senile next-door neighbor shoots you when she forgets that you deliver her mail to her door as a friendly gesture?

You should understand the differences between being on someone's lawn and breaking into their house. My understanding of the article was that he broke into the house. I would also take into account the weapons or tools they were carrying, preparation of a crime and stuff like that.

You also provided no alternative for self defense for this situation. Are you going to simply deny it with no alternative?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Tab
It is possible that grandma did use execessive force... but that's a another story...

Nope, it is called increasing your odds and anyone who has been trained with a weapon(police officers) will attest that they will suggest 3 rounds minimum aimed center of mass. This lady was trained well and is shows.....the right person in this incidentis dead.

I am just saying that it could be considered use of execessive force, it's not the women's job to be prosecuter,judge,jury and executioner. Also, cops are suppose to save lives NOT take them. When their lives are in danger, they always shoot to kill.

The story says she was beaten and robbed last time. Not this time. Self defense.

 

[TallBill]

Tab, your opinions would change if your mother was attacked and beaten (or worse), or if you yourself had a home breakin.

Can you imagine being beaten, raped, or murdered in your own home over a fvcking dvd player and laptop?

 

[chcarnage]

I'm glad that a life is still of value and that there are laws against excessive self-defense where I live :thumbsup:

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: Tab
So, what do the anti-gun nuts have to say about this?

Well, for one, this is one case in a million. Secondly, I don't think robbery should be punishable by death.

Actually it happens every day.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: Tab
So, what do the anti-gun nuts have to say about this?

Secondly, I don't think robbery should be punishable by death.

What in the hell else is a 87 year old grandmother going to do against a full grown man breaking into her home? Make him milk and cookies? :roll:

Tell him to sit down, cross his legs, put his hands behind his back and interlock his fingers.

If he doesn't comply, shoot him in an limb. Repeat, until subject complies.

You're an idiot who watches too much tv. Please don't give advice about things you know nothing about.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: chcarnage
I'm glad that a life is still of value and that there are laws against excessive self-defense where I live :thumbsup:

How is it excessive when the person she was defending herself from was committing a crime to cause her to defend herself?

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

I see nothing excessive about this incident. She only fired three shots. She excercised exactly enough force to save her life. It's too bad the guy had to die... but then again he didn't have to break into her house either.

Good shot grandma. And thumbs up to the daughter for her actions as well.

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: Tab
So, what do the anti-gun nuts have to say about this?

Write the NRA and ask them what they think of it! They are the anti-gunn nuts after all.

 

[chcarnage]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: chcarnage
I'm glad that a life is still of value and that there are laws against excessive self-defense where I live :thumbsup:

How is it excessive when the person she was defending herself from was committing a crime to cause her to defend herself?

Here's what Swiss law says about intruders and guns:
[*]One is allowed to menace an intruder with a gun.
[*]One is allowed to fire the gun if life-treatening danger exists

[*]One is not allowed to fire the gun if the intruder flees (ends the intrusion)
[*]It is allowed to retain an intruder until the police arrives

In front of a Swiss court, this woman could not proove that her life has been in immediate danger (firing through a door) and would be judged guilty of excessive self-defense.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: chcarnage

Here's what Swiss law says about intruders and guns:
[*]One is allowed to menace an intruder with a gun.
[*]One is allowed to fire the gun if life-treatening danger exists

[*]One is not allowed to fire the gun if the intruder flees (ends the intrusion)
[*]It is allowed to retain an intruder until the police arrives

In front of a Swiss court, this woman could not proove that her life has been in immediate danger (firing through a door) and would be judged guilty of excessive self-defense.

Well, we're not in Switzerland to begin with. And secondly, a man breaking into her door IS a life threatening danger. You may not percieve it that way, but the court would. If someone is entering or in your house against your will, your life is in danger.

And of course, the second that they fall down from being shot, or turn around at the sight of a gun, you cannot fire anymore.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: Tab
So, what do the anti-gun nuts have to say about this?

And where are the stories of people accidentally shot to death for a non-existent robbery?

You find 1 story similar to this, and there are probably other similar tragic stories of accidental death.

 

[chcarnage]

Originally posted by: TallBill
Well, we're not in Switzerland to begin with. And secondly, a man breaking into her door IS a life threatening danger. You may not percieve it that way, but the court would. If someone is entering or in your house against your will, your life is in danger.

And of course, the second that they fall down from being shot, or turn around at the sight of a gun, you cannot fire anymore.

I know that this didn't happen in Switzerland but I can assure you that Swiss courts in similar cases came to the conclusion that firing an arm was excessive self-defense. And I agree with them. I am aware of the fact that gun laws are very different from this in the US, p.e. the new one in Florida.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: chcarnage

Originally posted by: TallBill
Well, we're not in Switzerland to begin with. And secondly, a man breaking into her door IS a life threatening danger. You may not percieve it that way, but the court would. If someone is entering or in your house against your will, your life is in danger.

And of course, the second that they fall down from being shot, or turn around at the sight of a gun, you cannot fire anymore.

I know that this didn't happen in Switzerland but I can assure you that Swiss courts in similar cases came to the conclusion that firing an arm was excessive self-defense. And I agree with them. I am aware of the fact that gun laws are very different from this in the US, p.e. the new one in Florida.

What does this have to do with Switzerland? That is like saying I am legally allowed to kill my wife is she was raped because they do it in Iran.

 

[chcarnage]

I just stated my opinion and that it corresponds with Swiss law. I explained Swiss law because the concept of exaggerated self-defence apparently is not common among the forum users here.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: chcarnage
I just stated my opinion and that it corresponds with Swiss law. I explained Swiss law because the concept of exaggerated self-defence apparently is not common among the forum users here.

Someone breaks into your home, cuts the phone lines, the same action of the month before when another intruder broke into your home and beat you up. No, this was not exagerated self defence. Furthermore, the criminal had a choice whether to break into this home or not, knowing the risks that the deffender might be armed, this being the US, and knowing the laws which all the deffender can use lethal force, and the perp lost.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: Tab
So, what do the anti-gun nuts have to say about this?

Well, for one, this is one case in a million. Secondly, I don't think robbery should be punishable by death.

It should be if the victim is saving her own life

Break into my house and as a threat to me and my family - they will need a forklift to pick up the body
since there will be so much lead in it.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Tab
So, what do the anti-gun nuts have to say about this?

This elderly woman is a rare exception to the rule. Very rare in fact. For every story like hers, there are a hundreds like these 2. Its not about rights or hating guns, but the situations involving guns 9 times out of 10 end up like these two examples.


PORT ARTHUR ? An 11-year-old boy was accidentally shot and killed by his 15-year-old brother, who was playing with a gun he found in their home, police said Thursday.
No charges have been filed in the Wednesday night shooting.
Bradley Tran, who was struck in the back, was rushed to the Medical Center of Southeast Texas, where he was pronounced dead.
The brothers as well as two other boys were in the bedroom where two of the boys were playing video games when the 15-year-old found a .40 caliber semiautomatic handgun in a case stored inside a curio cabinet, Port Arthur police Maj. Raymond Clark said in a story in Friday's Port Arthur News. While the teenager was playing with the gun, it fired and struck his younger brother in the back, Clark said.
Several people were in the home when the shooting happened, including the boy's mother, Clark said.
Under Texas law, people can be prosecuted for providing juveniles access to their weapons through negligence if the firearm causes injury or death, the Jefferson County District Attorney's Office said.


The son of a Salinas police officer and Monterey County sheriff's commander was killed Saturday in an apparent accidental shooting in Aromas.
About 3:15 p.m., sheriff's deputies discovered the body of Christopher Gray, 15, after responding to a report of a shooting in north Monterey County near the border of San Benito County.
Monterey County sheriff's Chief Deputy Mike Brassfield said the responding deputies recognized Gray as the son of sheriff's Cmdr. Malcolm Gray and Salinas police Sgt. Victoria Gray.
"This has been tough on the agency," Brassfield said. Counselors have been made available for deputies, he said.
Christopher apparently went into the hills near his Aromas home to practice target shooting with another 15-year-old boy, a classmate at San Benito High School. The two were sharing a .22-caliber rifle.
"The young man explained that he had made certain movements and the gun went off and struck his friend," Brassfield said.
Christopher was hit in the head. His friend called 911 immediately.
The shooting is under investigation, though it appears in all likelihood it was an accident, Brassfield said.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Tab
So, what do the anti-gun nuts have to say about this?

This elderly woman is a rare exception to the rule. Very rare in fact. For every story like hers, there are a hundreds like these 2. Its not about rights or hating guns, but the situations involving guns 9 times out of 10 end up like these two examples.


PORT ARTHUR ? An 11-year-old boy was accidentally shot and killed by his 15-year-old brother, who was playing with a gun he found in their home, police said Thursday.
No charges have been filed in the Wednesday night shooting.
Bradley Tran, who was struck in the back, was rushed to the Medical Center of Southeast Texas, where he was pronounced dead.
The brothers as well as two other boys were in the bedroom where two of the boys were playing video games when the 15-year-old found a .40 caliber semiautomatic handgun in a case stored inside a curio cabinet, Port Arthur police Maj. Raymond Clark said in a story in Friday's Port Arthur News. While the teenager was playing with the gun, it fired and struck his younger brother in the back, Clark said.
Several people were in the home when the shooting happened, including the boy's mother, Clark said.
Under Texas law, people can be prosecuted for providing juveniles access to their weapons through negligence if the firearm causes injury or death, the Jefferson County District Attorney's Office said.


The son of a Salinas police officer and Monterey County sheriff's commander was killed Saturday in an apparent accidental shooting in Aromas.
About 3:15 p.m., sheriff's deputies discovered the body of Christopher Gray, 15, after responding to a report of a shooting in north Monterey County near the border of San Benito County.
Monterey County sheriff's Chief Deputy Mike Brassfield said the responding deputies recognized Gray as the son of sheriff's Cmdr. Malcolm Gray and Salinas police Sgt. Victoria Gray.
"This has been tough on the agency," Brassfield said. Counselors have been made available for deputies, he said.
Christopher apparently went into the hills near his Aromas home to practice target shooting with another 15-year-old boy, a classmate at San Benito High School. The two were sharing a .22-caliber rifle.
"The young man explained that he had made certain movements and the gun went off and struck his friend," Brassfield said.
Christopher was hit in the head. His friend called 911 immediately.
The shooting is under investigation, though it appears in all likelihood it was an accident, Brassfield said.

In other news...a kid was killed in a car accident...oh...another kid was just killed in a car accident..oh look and another! There dropping like flies out here, let us ban cars.

 

[jrenz]

This elderly woman is a rare exception to the rule. Very rare in fact. For every story like hers, there are a hundreds like these 2. Its not about rights or hating guns, but the situations involving guns 9 times out of 10 end up like these two examples.

You going to provide some hard evidence to support your claim?

 

[RichardE]

(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.

(Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept. of Health Human Services)

Guns
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
Yes, that is 80 million.

(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188.

Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
Remember, "Guns don't kill people, doctors do."

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.

Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!

Out of concern for the public at large, I have withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention.


😀

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: RichardE

(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.

(Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept. of Health Human Services)

Guns
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
Yes, that is 80 million.

(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188.

Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
Remember, "Guns don't kill people, doctors do."

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.

Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!

Out of concern for the public at large, I have withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention.


😀

I wonder how many people have died from reading this so many times 😛

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Tab
So, what do the anti-gun nuts have to say about this?

This elderly woman is a rare exception to the rule. Very rare in fact. For every story like hers, there are a hundreds like these 2. Its not about rights or hating guns, but the situations involving guns 9 times out of 10 end up like these two examples.


PORT ARTHUR ? An 11-year-old boy was accidentally shot and killed by his 15-year-old brother, who was playing with a gun he found in their home, police said Thursday.
No charges have been filed in the Wednesday night shooting.
Bradley Tran, who was struck in the back, was rushed to the Medical Center of Southeast Texas, where he was pronounced dead.
The brothers as well as two other boys were in the bedroom where two of the boys were playing video games when the 15-year-old found a .40 caliber semiautomatic handgun in a case stored inside a curio cabinet, Port Arthur police Maj. Raymond Clark said in a story in Friday's Port Arthur News. While the teenager was playing with the gun, it fired and struck his younger brother in the back, Clark said.
Several people were in the home when the shooting happened, including the boy's mother, Clark said.
Under Texas law, people can be prosecuted for providing juveniles access to their weapons through negligence if the firearm causes injury or death, the Jefferson County District Attorney's Office said.


The son of a Salinas police officer and Monterey County sheriff's commander was killed Saturday in an apparent accidental shooting in Aromas.
About 3:15 p.m., sheriff's deputies discovered the body of Christopher Gray, 15, after responding to a report of a shooting in north Monterey County near the border of San Benito County.
Monterey County sheriff's Chief Deputy Mike Brassfield said the responding deputies recognized Gray as the son of sheriff's Cmdr. Malcolm Gray and Salinas police Sgt. Victoria Gray.
"This has been tough on the agency," Brassfield said. Counselors have been made available for deputies, he said.
Christopher apparently went into the hills near his Aromas home to practice target shooting with another 15-year-old boy, a classmate at San Benito High School. The two were sharing a .22-caliber rifle.
"The young man explained that he had made certain movements and the gun went off and struck his friend," Brassfield said.
Christopher was hit in the head. His friend called 911 immediately.
The shooting is under investigation, though it appears in all likelihood it was an accident, Brassfield said.

No, actually you have it backwards. There are far more correct firearm uses per year than there are accidents. Even if you discount Lott's figures, it's still infinately weighted in favor of correct usages.