Elderly Woman Shoots And Kills Intruder

[TallBill]

www.fox2ktvi.com/

For the second time in two months, an intruder breaks into the home of an elderly East St. Louis woman. The first time, she was beaten and robbed. This time, however, the woman was ready. 87-year-old Jacksie King fired three times and shot the intruder dead. The woman worked for a living up until she retired as a doctor's office receptionist just four years ago. She was a crime victim in December and her daughter got her a gun to protect herself.

Around 2:00am, she fired three rounds from the revolver, walked into the kitchen and waited for her daughter to get there. Her daughter Pamela said, "When I got here she was in the kitchen and the gun was on the kitchen table, and I asked her way the gun was there, and she said, 'We had guests'." The break-in was similar to the one in December. The intruder cut the phone line, removed bars from a side porch window and tried to crash through the front door of the modest home in the 2100 block of Gaty. 49-year-old Larry Tillman was killed in the incident. He had a long criminal history of residential burglaries and lived just six blocks from Jacksie's home.

Jacksie's daughter is protecting her from the glare of the spotlight, but she's obviously proud of the way her mother conducted herself. "People work all their lives for what little they have, and it's not fair for anyone to try to take that away from them." The Illinois state police investigated the shooting. They say they will not seek any charges against the gun-toting grandmother. During the last break-in, she ended up in Barnes-Jewish Hospital. Records show Tillman also had numerous armed robbery and drug charges.

Lucky shot! Unlucky bad guy.

 

[RichardE]

From the way they phrased it, it was probally the same guy who did it in December, figured she would still be easy pickings. +1 for the right to arms 🙂

 

[CycloWizard]

This was on the local news tonight... It turns out that her daughter and the daughter's husbands are both deputies in the local police department. They gave her the gun and taught her how to use it after the last break-in. It's a shame that East St. Louis is in such bad shape that such things are in the news nearly every day. The only reason this is exceptional is because the woman doing the shooting was older. 🙁 The good news is that much of the East St. Louis PD has been taken out on corruption charges in the past 6-9 months, so maybe they can bring in some new people and turn things around.

 

[Tab]

So, what do the anti-gun nuts have to say about this?

 

[Kadarin]

That's awesome 🙂

 

[slash196]

Originally posted by: Tab
So, what do the anti-gun nuts have to say about this?

Well, for one, this is one case in a million. Secondly, I don't think robbery should be punishable by death.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: Tab
So, what do the anti-gun nuts have to say about this?

Well, for one, this is one case in a million. Secondly, I don't think robbery should be punishable by death.

Yes, it should be.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: Tab
So, what do the anti-gun nuts have to say about this?

Well, for one, this is one case in a million. Secondly, I don't think robbery should be punishable by death.

It should be if the victim is saving her own life

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: Tab
So, what do the anti-gun nuts have to say about this?

Well, for one, this is one case in a million. Secondly, I don't think robbery should be punishable by death.

Robbery in a person's home unquestionably should be.

What do you recommend if you find someone breaking in your door? Ball up in the corner and piss yourself?

 

[tommywishbone]

I say, "Nice shootin' Granny!" :thumbsup:

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: Tab
So, what do the anti-gun nuts have to say about this?

Well, for one, this is one case in a million. Secondly, I don't think robbery should be punishable by death.

You think someone who breaks into someone's house who has a history of crime is just going to leave grandma alone? Robbery shouldn't be punishable by death, but I do have a right to defend my property and myself.

It is possible that grandma did use execessive force... but that's a another story...

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: Tab
So, what do the anti-gun nuts have to say about this?

Well, for one, this is one case in a million. Secondly, I don't think robbery should be punishable by death.

You think someone who breaks into someone's house who has a history of crime is just going to leave grandma alone? Robbery shouldn't be punishable by death, but I do have a right to defend my property and myself.

It is possible that grandma did use execessive force... but that's a another story...

Meh, 3 shots is not excessive force to someone who just entered your home forcibly and cut the phone lines, she should have finished off the mag.

 

[Agrooreo]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: Tab
So, what do the anti-gun nuts have to say about this?

Well, for one, this is one case in a million. Secondly, I don't think robbery should be punishable by death.

You think someone who breaks into someone's house who has a history of crime is just going to leave grandma alone? Robbery shouldn't be punishable by death, but I do have a right to defend my property and myself.

It is possible that grandma did use execessive force... but that's a another story...

Meh, 3 shots is not excessive force to someone who just entered your home forcibly and cut the phone lines, she should have finished off the mag.

Completely agree with you there!!!

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: Tab
It is possible that grandma did use execessive force... but that's a another story...

Nope, it is called increasing your odds and anyone who has been trained with a weapon(police officers) will attest that they will suggest 3 rounds minimum aimed center of mass. This lady was trained well and is shows.....the right person in this incidentis dead.

 

[Aisengard]

While there are many anti-gun nuts who argue that no one should own a gun (probably just disgruntles hippies), many "anti-gun nuts" are simply calling for increased background checks on people who are about to own a gun, plus liscencing, plus barring the owning of automatic weapons and "cop-killing" bullets. Not so unreasonable, if you actually sit and listen.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Tab
It is possible that grandma did use execessive force... but that's a another story...

Nope, it is called increasing your odds and anyone who has been trained with a weapon(police officers) will attest that they will suggest 3 rounds minimum aimed center of mass. This lady was trained well and is shows.....the right person in this incidentis dead.

I am just saying that it could be considered use of execessive force, it's not the women's job to be prosecuter,judge,jury and executioner. Also, cops are suppose to save lives NOT take them. When their lives are in danger, they always shoot to kill.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: Tab
So, what do the anti-gun nuts have to say about this?

Secondly, I don't think robbery should be punishable by death.

What in the hell else is a 87 year old grandmother going to do against a full grown man breaking into her home? Make him milk and cookies? :roll:

 

[Rommels]

3 is perfect, two to center mass and one in the head ;p
My grandma is a expert shot got 299 out of 300 shot from every possition you can think of, the only one she missed is when her gun jammed.
It would take the cops a little bit to get there so she has got to be good.
She has a few good stories of peoplewho have come up her drive and when she walked out with her gun holstered they turn tail.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: Tab
So, what do the anti-gun nuts have to say about this?

Secondly, I don't think robbery should be punishable by death.

What in the hell else is a 87 year old grandmother going to do against a full grown man breaking into her home? Make him milk and cookies? :roll:

Tell him to sit down, cross his legs, put his hands behind his back and interlock his fingers.

If he doesn't comply, shoot him in an limb. Repeat, until subject complies.

 

[TallBill]

Not excessive force at all. Should the need ever arise that I have to fire a weapon at a person (It is part of my job), I will have a VERY hard time only firing 3 shots.

 

[Jaskalas]

Yes, a home invasion robbery isn?t punishable by death, unless you?re caught in the act. People should ALWAYS be allowed to defend themselves. It?s not about your property, because you?ve no way of knowing if they intend to kill, hurt, or maim you in the processes.

Any law that prevents self defense should be struck down.

 

[Aisengard]

An objection to that, Jaskalas, would be what if some 12 year old kids were "trespassing" on your lawn? Those crazy kids these days, they could be up to anything, better shoot them just to be sure.

Crazy people owning guns is also a danger to society as a whole. Though I'm sure you'll think it's self-defense when your senile next-door neighbor shoots you when she forgets that you deliver her mail to her door as a friendly gesture?

 

[slash196]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: Tab
So, what do the anti-gun nuts have to say about this?

Secondly, I don't think robbery should be punishable by death.

What in the hell else is a 87 year old grandmother going to do against a full grown man breaking into her home? Make him milk and cookies? :roll:

Tell him to sit down, cross his legs, put his hands behind his back and interlock his fingers.

If he doesn't comply, shoot him in an limb. Repeat, until subject complies.

Exactly. You're the one with the gun; you're in control of the situation.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: Tab

Tell him to sit down, cross his legs, put his hands behind his back and interlock his fingers.

If he doesn't comply, shoot him in an limb. Repeat, until subject complies.

Exactly. You're the one with the gun; you're in control of the situation.

If you two are joking around, you are being extremely funny. I cant stop laughing. Seriously, it hurts.

 

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
While there are many anti-gun nuts who argue that no one should own a gun (probably just disgruntles hippies), many "anti-gun nuts" are simply calling for increased background checks on people who are about to own a gun, plus liscencing, plus barring the owning of automatic weapons and "cop-killing" bullets. Not so unreasonable, if you actually sit and listen.

There is no mythical "cop-killing" bullets. Most of those are rifle rounds that are used for hunting.

As for automatic weapons...the ONLY way to own one legally is to get a class-3 federal firearm license...not exactly easy to get.