EIR Investigating: Sharon and Hamas Collaborating Against Road Map?

[KAMAZON]

Just because HAMAS was started by Sharons funding, doesn't mean that they are fully in control of HAMAS. Most of the supporters think it is a movement against Sharon and a continuation of the "jihad" (Struggle). They feel that like Hezbullah who kicked Israel out of it's illegal occupation of Lebanon (with more war crimes purporated by Sharon which the IDF found him guilty of by the way in the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps) was a good model. What they don't see is that everytime they do attack, Sharon using a arsenal of the most modern weapons just annialates or levels a whole town, literally. This again, prompts another response and more outrage, and a bigger call for "Jihad" against them. What they don't see They can control key operatives whom are given 'clearance' to enter Israel, then cause havoc, and thus, give Sharon the excuse it needs to launch a new offensive. This has happened before when people who shouldn't even be anywhere near somewhere (such as the British suicide bombers recently), are allowed access through numerous strict checkpoints after which they blow themselves up. The PA has absolutly no secuirty. Withen these past 30 months, Israel under Sharon has killed almost all of the security men that the PA had, so the PA can't do anything to stop HAMAS.

HAMAS is almost more powerfull than the PA today, this is thanks to Sharons funding and his 'response' to terrorism. With every more 'assassination' the IDF or 'raid' the IDf does in the 'occupied territories', the stronger HAMAS gets in terms of support and potential recruits. In other words, the more war crimes (and yes, they are fully certified war crimes, from the settlements to the IDF millitary tactics) Israel commits against the Palestanians, the stronger HAMAS gets.

 

[KAMAZON]

I have some knowledge of the Psyche of the 'common israeli people'. The majority of them do not wish this to happen, but what can they do? When someone rose up who fought this Likud tradition and made peace with the Palestanians based on teh treaty of westphailia, Yitzhak Rabin, he was assassinated by the supporters of Sharon and the even more extreme Netenyahou. It has been all downhill since the assassinatoin of Yitzak Rabin by the extreme likudniks.

 

[Alistar7]

The Hamas leader Sharon dares not assassinate

"Sharon thinks he can destroy Hamas so that his puppet, Abu Mazen (Mr Abbas), will let the Jews take more land," said an angry young militant, Musa Habib. "But he should know that they can kill Yassin, they can kill Rantissi (the leader of Hamas's military wing), they can kill whoever, and for every martyr there will be 10 - no, 100 - fighters to take their place. And we will not only kill the Zionists but their collaborators."

Despite the hardline rhetoric on the ground, and the Hamas atrocities on Jerusalem's buses, a more pragmatic view prevails at the top that may explain why the Israelis have so far refrained from attacking Sheik Yassin.

A commander of Hamas's military wing, Abu Sabbah, said the Islamic resistance movement was ready for dialogue, but not as hostages to Israeli demands.

"The Israelis are trying to impose peace terms and they want a weak Palestinian leadership that will accept whatever scrap of land Sharon wants to herd the Palestinians into," he said. "For that, they have to destroy Hamas.

"But if they want a just peace, a peace that can last, Hamas is not inflexible. It is our goal to return all of Palestine to its rightful owners but we recognise that this must come in stages.

" End the occupation (of land taken in 1967) and the struggle will become a political one. We can leave the issue of 1948 land to the next generation."

 

[Alistar7]

Hamas was started by funding through the nation of Israel, and were not a terrorist group at the time. I know Sharon's history and Israel's, and personally feel they should give all the land back. I agree their actions have increased the resentement and fostered the environment that allows terrorism to exist, what other choice do they realistically have though? What I don't see is any reason Hamas would deal with Sharon now? What is it they are getting from that deal that is better than the road map?

 

[Alistar7]

Hamas is considered one of Israel's greatest threats, but the Islamic terrorist organization found its beginnings in the misguided Israeli effort to encourage the rise of a religious alternative that would undermine the popularity of the Palestine Liberation Organization and Yasir Arafat

The strategy resulted in the birth of Hamas which rose from these Islamic roots. Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was a member of the government when the policy was developed in the late 1970s.

Although Sharon and his Likud (formerly Herut Party) government colleagues could not anticipate that the Islamic leaders they backed would eventually evolve into Hamas and suicde bombings, the two have benefited from each other's extremism over the years.

 

[KAMAZON]

With all the evidence right now, at a bare minimum, we can state that Sharon is using HAMAS as an excuse to continue attacks on the Palestanian population. Sharon goes in and kills some people (mostly civilians), HAMAS responds, sharon responds, hamas responds, sharon responds, hamas responds. Eventually Sharon will get the extremists in the US to allow him to kick out teh Palestanians from the west bank and sieze that land too. He already has the settlers that have broken Palestine up into little pieces of prison camps wiht no real way out or in.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: KAMAZON

I never said Prescott Bush was kicked out of the Harriman business, what I said was that he resigned in 1931....see that resigned in 1931...that's a historical fact. He was still on the board, but did not attend regular meetings and stayed on the board as more of a gesture of friendship than anything else.

How convienent, he 'resigned' in 1931, but was still the Managing Director on the board of Directors, and of course, he didn't want to hurt poor little Harrimans feelings so he stayed on 'to show he is a friend'. A "gesture of Friendship" to a company that was funding the Nazis.

. You also keep ignoring the fact that the Nazis seized the bank fro themselves in 1938....a good 4 years before it's business in the U.S. was seized and shut down.

The Nazis siezed Bush and Harrimans "Union Bank" for themselves in 1938? I think you have your facts messed up. How the hell did the Nazis sieze a NY Bank in 1938 when FDR shut it down in 1942? I think you mean to say that htey siezed THYSSIN STEEL, not the bank in 1938, which by the way, doesn't make your argument any better that 'well, thyssin didn't own it, the Nazi party owned it'.




Finally, I will research the dealing of Bushes bank with the Nazis after 1938 to see if htey continued supporting them even after the war started. Regardless, at a bare minimum, their dealings and fascination with the Eugenics rascist "Master Race" movement, working with the Nazi war companies who carried out Eugenics policies and ideologies even before the war started should not be made 'light' of, unless of course, you're a shmuck.

The company that I DID find which DID continue to work with the Nazis in 1942 without a doubt, was Standard Oil. William Farrish was the collaberator with Presscott Bush in this Rockefeller/Standard Oil crowd which caused a congressoinal investigation in 1942, since the war started, and this company was still working with the Nazis. Farrish 'commited suicide' and his grandson took over. Farrishes grandson is the handler for the Bush family money now, and was made Ambassador to Britain under the first (maybe the present) Bush administrator, so it is still a 'family ran business'.


Do you dare to excuse these acts of rascism of sponsering the Eugenics movement, working with teh Nazis directly upto the war (And dont give me this crap that 'they didn't know the Nazis were bad', everyone knew the Nazis were rascist extremists), then at a bare minimum, continuing to do oil contracts with the Naizs through Standard Oil with William Farrish? Even if you throw up some kind of lame defence for working for Farrish with working with the Nazis, Presscotts own actions as manager of that bank are damning.

The funny thing is, here you have someone with direct links to the Nazis before and after the war started, while LaRouche was training american soldiers to fight the Nazis, then LaRouche fought for Indian Independance; yet "LaRouche is supposidly a fascist rascist". You must live in the world of Laputa in Gullivers Travels where everything is backwards.

Ok chuckles....see if you can understand this. After Thyssen fled Germany in 38 his assets were seized by the German govt. Among those assets was his controlling interest in UBC bank. Understand that now or do I need to draw you a picture? It cracks me up every time you call UBC "Bush's bank" Why? Because he wasn't even anywhere near the majority in UBC, a fact you continue to ignore.

Secondly....do you even know how a Board of Directors works and how little they have to do with actual day to day business of a company? Probably not....let me just say one thing about that....it is not uncommon for a Board to have one or several positions that are nothing more than ceremonial. For instance my Dad retired from a Board of Directors back in 1995 but he is still on the Board with the title of Vie President. Why? because he served for a long time and even after his retirement they chose to keep a position for him. He no longer attends meetings or has anything to do with the business, yet he still has a title on the Board. Happens all the time.....

As for Standard Oil....here are some facts for you:

The oil giant developed and financed Germany's synthetic fuel program in partnership with the German chemical giant, I.G. Farben in the 1920's and early 1930's.

As late as 1934, Germany was forced to import as much as 85% of it's petroleum from abroad. This meant that a worldwide fuel embargo could stop Hitler's army overnight. To get around this threat, Nazi Germany began converting domestic coal into synthetic fuel using processes developed jointly by Standard Oil and I.G. Farben.
(notice it says "as late as 1934, meaning it didn't happen after 34. Hitler didn't seize full power in Germany until 1934)

Yeah...that's pretty damning....NOT! Try doing some none LaRouche based research and getting your facts straight before you post again.

As for Lyndon's military service....he was stationed in Australia from 1944-1946 and was in Burma for a time. Indian war of Independence? Where did you dream that up? After WWII he attended Boston University from 1946-1947 but withdrew in 47 to take a job in the footwear industry. It was in 1947 that India became independent. How did LaRouche manage to be involved in that if he was working in the footwear industry? I guess he made them superpower sandals or something.

Oh....your boy LaRouche is married to a German, Helga Zepp-LaRouche, by your logic that makes him a Nazi.

Once again....please work on your spelling.....

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: KAMAZON
With all the evidence right now, at a bare minimum, we can state that Sharon is using HAMAS as an excuse to continue attacks on the Palestanian population. Sharon goes in and kills some people (mostly civilians), HAMAS responds, sharon responds, hamas responds, sharon responds, hamas responds. Eventually Sharon will get the extremists in the US to allow him to kick out teh Palestanians from the west bank and sieze that land too. He already has the settlers that have broken Palestine up into little pieces of prison camps wiht no real way out or in.

no, you stated they were working together, right now, to create the tension and to plan terrorist atacks on US soil. I only asked why Hamas would work with him, I didn't even ask for evidence to back those claims up, but you still shouldn't back off them.

so why is Hama's working with Sharon to basically exterminate their people and occupy their land? The same thing they gladly blow themselves up to fight for they are now willing to give to their biggest enemy, and they get killed in return, sounds way more efficent, but I am not buying it.......

 

[Alistar7]

"Heres a reality check, Sharon and Hamas would never deal with each other, you honestly think Hamas would trust him or vice versa?"


KAMAZON:
"If you are actually serious about this, I will give you some information for you to actually verify yourself independantly:

1.) Arial Sharon acting as finance minister of Israel in the 1980s had full control of funds given to the 'occupied territories' (Palestine). Any funds that came into the PA, would have to go through the finance minister of Israel. It isn't much different today, when Bush had to forecefully tell Sharon to release teh funds to the PA so they can help their humanitarian problem."

Funding started in the 70's, and it was done by Israel, not Sharon who was a low level official at the time.

I was serious, and I thought you were too......

Why would Hamas trust Sharon?

 

[KAMAZON]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
"Heres a reality check, Sharon and Hamas would never deal with each other, you honestly think Hamas would trust him or vice versa?"


KAMAZON:
"If you are actually serious about this, I will give you some information for you to actually verify yourself independantly:

1.) Arial Sharon acting as finance minister of Israel in the 1980s had full control of funds given to the 'occupied territories' (Palestine). Any funds that came into the PA, would have to go through the finance minister of Israel. It isn't much different today, when Bush had to forecefully tell Sharon to release teh funds to the PA so they can help their humanitarian problem."

Funding started in the 70's, and it was done by Israel, not Sharon who was a low level official at the time.

I was serious, and I thought you were too......

Why would Hamas trust Sharon?

I never said the funding was started by Sharon. Read my post again. I said Sharon acting as "FINANCE MINISTER" of Israel, which is not a 'low level post' channeled the funds into HAMAS in the 1980s. The officials of the State of Israel could have been funding other movements or HAMAS since then, but I was dealing with the Sharon question specifically.

To answer your "Why would HAMAS trust Sharon" quesiton, take a look at the fight for power. First off again, let me repeat that not every member of HAMAS, or even the head of HAMAS is working with Sharon. What I did say was at a bare minimum "Sharon is using hamas" by provoking them, then the IDF allowes certain people through certain checkpoints which they would normally not be able to get through such as the British Terrorists. Once they blow something up, Sharon then 'uses' hamas, but killing a bunch of people, at which point, HAMAS or another terror group replies, giving Sharon the provecation he needs to attack again. The idea is to ethnically clense the area of the west bank so they can sieze it, and maintain a jewish state. They are not far from doing this at all.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: KAMAZON

Originally posted by: Alistar7
"Heres a reality check, Sharon and Hamas would never deal with each other, you honestly think Hamas would trust him or vice versa?"


KAMAZON:
"If you are actually serious about this, I will give you some information for you to actually verify yourself independantly:

1.) Arial Sharon acting as finance minister of Israel in the 1980s had full control of funds given to the 'occupied territories' (Palestine). Any funds that came into the PA, would have to go through the finance minister of Israel. It isn't much different today, when Bush had to forecefully tell Sharon to release teh funds to the PA so they can help their humanitarian problem."

Funding started in the 70's, and it was done by Israel, not Sharon who was a low level official at the time.

I was serious, and I thought you were too......

Why would Hamas trust Sharon?

I never said the funding was started by Sharon. Read my post again. I said Sharon acting as "FINANCE MINISTER" of Israel, which is not a 'low level post' channeled the funds into HAMAS in the 1980s. The officials of the State of Israel could have been funding other movements or HAMAS since then, but I was dealing with the Sharon question specifically.

To answer your "Why would HAMAS trust Sharon" quesiton, take a look at the fight for power.First off again, let me repeat that not every member of HAMAS, or even the head of HAMAS is working with Sharon. What I did say was at a bare minimum "Sharon is using hamas" by provoking them, then the IDF allowes certain people through certain checkpoints which they would normally not be able to get through such as the British Terrorists. Once they blow something up, Sharon then 'uses' hamas, but killing a bunch of people, at which point, HAMAS or another terror group replies, giving Sharon the provecation he needs to attack again. The idea is to ethnically clense the area of the west bank so they can sieze it, and maintain a jewish state. They are not far from doing this at all.

Quote from the top of this page by you:
"Just because HAMAS was started by Sharons funding" dont know how i misread that, maybe you should read your pst again....



here is the charge in the title of your own thread
"Sharon and Hamas Collaborating Against Road Map"

and this crap in the first paragraph...

"Mossad chief Meir Dagan, a longtime Sharon accomplice in criminal activities, has reportedly reached a secret deal with some Hamas leaders, to stage a series of terrorist disruptions of President Bush's peace initiative"

so are they collaborating or is Sharon just using them? Do you even know what you said before or are trying to say now, becuase they are two different things....

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: KAMAZON

Originally posted by: Alistar7
"Heres a reality check, Sharon and Hamas would never deal with each other, you honestly think Hamas would trust him or vice versa?"


KAMAZON:
"If you are actually serious about this, I will give you some information for you to actually verify yourself independantly:

1.) Arial Sharon acting as finance minister of Israel in the 1980s had full control of funds given to the 'occupied territories' (Palestine). Any funds that came into the PA, would have to go through the finance minister of Israel. It isn't much different today, when Bush had to forecefully tell Sharon to release teh funds to the PA so they can help their humanitarian problem."

Funding started in the 70's, and it was done by Israel, not Sharon who was a low level official at the time.

I was serious, and I thought you were too......

Why would Hamas trust Sharon?

I never said the funding was started by Sharon. Read my post again. I said Sharon acting as "FINANCE MINISTER" of Israel, which is not a 'low level post' channeled the funds into HAMAS in the 1980s. The officials of the State of Israel could have been funding other movements or HAMAS since then, but I was dealing with the Sharon question specifically.

To answer your "Why would HAMAS trust Sharon" quesiton, take a look at the fight for power.First off again, let me repeat that not every member of HAMAS, or even the head of HAMAS is working with Sharon. What I did say was at a bare minimum "Sharon is using hamas" by provoking them, then the IDF allowes certain people through certain checkpoints which they would normally not be able to get through such as the British Terrorists. Once they blow something up, Sharon then 'uses' hamas, but killing a bunch of people, at which point, HAMAS or another terror group replies, giving Sharon the provecation he needs to attack again. The idea is to ethnically clense the area of the west bank so they can sieze it, and maintain a jewish state. They are not far from doing this at all.

Quote from the top of this page by you:
"Just because HAMAS was started by Sharons funding" dont know how i misread that, maybe you should read your pst again....



here is the charge in the title of your own thread
"Sharon and Hamas Collaborating Against Road Map"

and this crap in the first paragraph...

"Mossad chief Meir Dagan, a longtime Sharon accomplice in criminal activities, has reportedly reached a secret deal with some Hamas leaders, to stage a series of terrorist disruptions of President Bush's peace initiative"

so are they collaborating or is Sharon just using them? Do you even know what you said before or are trying to say now, becuase they are two different things....

Busted yet again....

 

[Alistar7]

I guess I was the only serious one..........:beer:'s for everyone

 

[KAMAZON]

Jee, you guys should work for a Conrad black/Robert Murdoch news outlet to slander LaRouche seeing how you just cut out 1/2 of my title, and post it as if it's the whole thing. First off all, you CHANGED my title thread by only posting HALF of it:

here is the charge in the title of your own thread
"Sharon and Hamas Collaborating Against Road Map"

Anyone can see that the title thread is:
EIR Investigating: Sharon and Hamas Collaborating Against Road Map?

Notice the EIR INVESTIGATING:, then the ? at the end of my title? Why did you omit that? What is your malfunction, You made a QUESTION into a declarative statement by omitting the beginning and ending of my title, and presented as my official title. This is just fraud, how serious do you take yourself when you stoop to changing my post titles, just liek they do with LaRouche quotes? My guess would be not very serious. The only one busted is you two for changing my title from a question to a declarative statement pruposly by removing the beginning and end of the title. Get serious.

 

[Alistar7]

done contradicting yourself, moved onto attacking me? used to it by now, better than you have tried and failed, just so you know, your personal opinion of me really has no bearing on me.

I apologize for missing that crucial question mark, lol, but get real, that was an honest mistake when copying and pasting. You definitely stated he funded them and was actively working with them to undermine the peace plan, and then changed your mind, I just want to know which one is what you really think, no need to be defensive, just pick out one purse and a pair of shoes so we can get out of this store Betty....

 

[KAMAZON]

done contradicting yourself, moved onto attacking me? used to it by now, better than you have tried and failed, just so you know, your personal opinion of me really has no bearing on me.

Please show me where I have contradicted myself? I appologize for any personal attacks you felt against yourself directed by me. However, I got suspicious that not only did you omit the ? at the end, but also the EIR Investigating: (which shows that this is a ongoing investigation). Anyways, I stand by what I have always said:

1.) Sharon is using HAMAS as a ways of derailing the peace process by provoking HAMAS (which he helped create in the first place)

2.) The IDF has allowed certain terrorists past crucial and numerous checkpoints which you cannot get through without proper authorization (and their passports would have raised more than enough suspecion), whom later blew themselves up. For example, the 2 british terrorists who came in should have not been able to get anywhere near those areas, and past numerous checkpoitns openly. Also, the 2nd one who got away was found dead a bit later, shot.

Therefore, I find it extremely possible that Sharon or the MOSSAD has people with terrorist ties, probably in teh HAMAS he helped create to derail the peace process at any time it is moving foreward to a Palestanian State (and no, SHarons "Jordan is the true Palestanian state" does not count as a viable state for the Palestanians). I look foreward tot he findings of this investigation.

 

[hagbard]

hickup.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: KAMAZON

done contradicting yourself, moved onto attacking me? used to it by now, better than you have tried and failed, just so you know, your personal opinion of me really has no bearing on me.

Please show me where I have contradicted myself? I appologize for any personal attacks you felt against yourself directed by me. However, I got suspicious that not only did you omit the ? at the end, but also the EIR Investigating: (which shows that this is a ongoing investigation). Anyways, I stand by what I have always said:

1.) Sharon is using HAMAS as a ways of derailing the peace process by provoking HAMAS (which he helped create in the first place)

2.) The IDF has allowed certain terrorists past crucial and numerous checkpoints which you cannot get through without proper authorization (and their passports would have raised more than enough suspecion), whom later blew themselves up. For example, the 2 british terrorists who came in should have not been able to get anywhere near those areas, and past numerous checkpoitns openly. Also, the 2nd one who got away was found dead a bit later, shot.

Therefore, I find it extremely possible that Sharon or the MOSSAD has people with terrorist ties, probably in teh HAMAS he helped create to derail the peace process at any time it is moving foreward to a Palestanian State (and no, SHarons "Jordan is the true Palestanian state" does not count as a viable state for the Palestanians). I look foreward tot he findings of this investigation.

did you miss it the first time? scroll up....

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: KAMAZON

Originally posted by: Alistar7
"Heres a reality check, Sharon and Hamas would never deal with each other, you honestly think Hamas would trust him or vice versa?"


KAMAZON:
"If you are actually serious about this, I will give you some information for you to actually verify yourself independantly:

1.) Arial Sharon acting as finance minister of Israel in the 1980s had full control of funds given to the 'occupied territories' (Palestine). Any funds that came into the PA, would have to go through the finance minister of Israel. It isn't much different today, when Bush had to forecefully tell Sharon to release teh funds to the PA so they can help their humanitarian problem."

Funding started in the 70's, and it was done by Israel, not Sharon who was a low level official at the time.

I was serious, and I thought you were too......

Why would Hamas trust Sharon?

I never said the funding was started by Sharon. Read my post again. I said Sharon acting as "FINANCE MINISTER" of Israel, which is not a 'low level post' channeled the funds into HAMAS in the 1980s. The officials of the State of Israel could have been funding other movements or HAMAS since then, but I was dealing with the Sharon question specifically.

To answer your "Why would HAMAS trust Sharon" quesiton, take a look at the fight for power.First off again, let me repeat that not every member of HAMAS, or even the head of HAMAS is working with Sharon. What I did say was at a bare minimum "Sharon is using hamas" by provoking them, then the IDF allowes certain people through certain checkpoints which they would normally not be able to get through such as the British Terrorists. Once they blow something up, Sharon then 'uses' hamas, but killing a bunch of people, at which point, HAMAS or another terror group replies, giving Sharon the provecation he needs to attack again. The idea is to ethnically clense the area of the west bank so they can sieze it, and maintain a jewish state. They are not far from doing this at all.

Quote from the top of this page by you:
"Just because HAMAS was started by Sharons funding" dont know how i misread that, maybe you should read your pst again....



here is the charge in the title of your own thread
"Sharon and Hamas Collaborating Against Road Map"

and this crap in the first paragraph...

"Mossad chief Meir Dagan, a longtime Sharon accomplice in criminal activities, has reportedly reached a secret deal with some Hamas leaders, to stage a series of terrorist disruptions of President Bush's peace initiative"

so are they collaborating or is Sharon just using them? Do you even know what you said before or are trying to say now, becuase they are two different things....

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: KAMAZON

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I'm finding Lyndon LaRouche to be a refreshing change of venue in the usual right winged wacko garbage. Could it be the sight of LaRouche is like looking in the mirror?

LaRouche has always ran as a FDR Democrat except in 1976 when he ran as a independent. The real right winger democrats are Joe Lieberman and the DLC who'se official policy is we're going to be more right wing than Bush. Show me just 1 right wing policy of LaRouche. You can't, since he is a FDR Democrat, not some right winger.

BACKFIRE.

Face it moonie, the real wackos are on the left side.

The real wackos are south of the US/Canada border, whatever "wing" they're on, they're wing-nuts.

 

[KAMAZON]

Quote from the top of this page by you:
"Just because HAMAS was started by Sharons funding" dont know how i misread that, maybe you should read your pst again....

HAMAS as a official movement was started during the late or mid 1980s if I remember correctly. I don't believe there was a "HAMAS" in the 1970s. Regardless wether the funding was giong directly to this 1 terror group called HAMAS, or other ones, is a very moot point. If they are funding or organizing ANY terrorist group, or running 'false flag' operations to backup and justify a 'return strike by the idf', is something that is a huge obstacle to peace. I don't care if it is supposidly HAMAS, Al QUEDA (If it even really exists anymore without US support), or whatever they choose to use as an fake excuse! Would you not agree?

 

[KAMAZON]

there is no way Israel could have been funding HAMAS in the 1970s as your source states, because HAMAS didn't even exist. I was correct when I said Sharon helped start HAMAS while he was Finance Minister of Israel in the Late 1980s.

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/media/schanzer/spring2003.htm
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/media/schanzer/spring2003.htm

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Collaborating? No. They hate each other too much. Now their individual behaviors are such that they might as well be. That still does not mean collaboration

Example

Bin Laden wanted the US to attack a muslim country.

Bush attacked a muslim country. Therefore Bush and Bin Laden are collaborating.

Nope I dont believe it. Correlation does not equal causation.

 

[Alistar7]

Bin laden and AQ dont even exist, still waiting for the "real' reason we imperialized Afghanistan lozina.....

 

[Moonbeam]

Bin laden and AQ dont even exist, still waiting for the "real' reason we imperialized Afghanistan lozina.....
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Gas for Pakistan and India. Payback time.
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Well, besides your normal insults moonie, I have to agree with you. Since it appears that you and KAMAZON are on the same wavelength I took his interpertation of your post as the most likely. In that I was wrong and admit it.
Yes, LL with his racism and twisted views is quite different than the right side views posted on this board. I don't find it strange at all that you find his views "refreshing"
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Thanks for that admission, etech. Insults aren?t normal for me at all. I do tend to act a bit testy, though, when for all intents and purposes I'm made out to be a liar. Unless I'm intentionally and more or less obviously being sarcastic, I don't pretend to mean something I didn't. Again I appreciate you acknowledging that even sarcastically. I of course didn't mean refreshing like you did.