EIR Investigating: Sharon and Hamas Collaborating Against Road Map?

[KAMAZON]

Most of this confusion can be taken from a assumption on by behalf. Of course, childish insecurities which some people such as trolls leads them to 'arguing on the internet just to argue' is quite impotent lol. I like how LaRouche said it better tho:

"All really important dangers to society arise, like self-inflicted mental illnesses, from popularized, axiomatic delusions, especially official ones"
--Lyndon Larouche

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: KAMAZON
Most of this confusion can be taken from a assumption on by behalf. Of course, childish insecurities which some people such as trolls leads them to 'arguing on the internet just to argue' is quite impotent lol. I like how LaRouche said it better tho:

"All really important dangers to society arise, like self-inflicted mental illnesses, from popularized, axiomatic delusions, especially official ones"
--Lyndon Larouche

Well if anyone is an expert on mental illness it would be LaRouche.....

 

[KAMAZON]

He did write "Beyond Psychoanalysis: The psycho-sexual imptence of the Puerto Rican Socialist Party". Anyone who masters the works of Gottfried Willhelm Liebniz and many other great renaissance men, can deffinatly tell you if you're crazy.

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
Read some quotes by Larouche.

Cuckoo

Also remember this is a man who served five years of a fifteen year sentence after being convicted of mail fraud cospiracy and tax evasion. It seems he was selling worthless securities to the elderly under the guise of political fundraising and living in a mansion in VA while conveniently forgetting to pay his taxes.

To be fair, our admisistration has a thing for felons who sell illegal things for "fundraising". You just need to look at the all seeing eye.

 

[KAMAZON]

With LaRouche, the official charges were: "CONSPIRACY to commit tax and mail fraud", he didn't even do it.

 

[Bulk Beef]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Not to worry KAMAZON, etech has too small a mind to take me at my word. You tried to straighten me out on LL being somebody on the left not right as you assumed I meant from this post:

"I'm finding Lyndon LaRouche to be a refreshing change of venue in the usual right winged wacko garbage."

I wasn't saying that LL is just a new twist to the usual right winged garbage we get here, but that LL's wackiness of a refreshingly different kind. Poor etech, like you misinterpreted my meaning, probably with your help, and used it to take a swipe at me. He thought my point had backfired because LL's on the left and I didn't know it. But I wasn't saying or assuming he was on the right or left, only that LL is refreshingly different than the usual dominatingly right winded wacko garbage we're inundated with here.

etech doesn't like to be wrong and can't admit when he is. You have to get used to it. He needs to think I tried to back out of a mistake because he's desperate to try to make me look bad. But I'm already a nobody. That will have to do.

The mistake was his.

Well, I understood what you were saying, Moonie.







Crap, I must be off my meds.

 

[KAMAZON]

Why do you all call "Moonbeam" a "Moonie"?

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: KAMAZON
Why do you all call "Moonbeam" a "Moonie"?

Kama, he was simply addressing him.

 

[KAMAZON]

Thanks, I thought they were refering to "Rev. Moon" lol.

 

[Piano Man]

Ther should be a limit to the amount of posts you can have per day.

 

[KAMAZON]

Ther should be a limit to the amount of posts you can have per day

I see you have a quote from Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. The Vice Presidents of LaRouches "Schiller Institute" is Amelia Boynton Robinson. If you ever studied the Civil Rights movement, you will know Amelia Boynton Robinson was the lady who invited Dr. King to her home in Alabama, and organized the Civil Rights Movement from her home. Lyndon LaRouches runningmate, Rev. James Bevel, also lived with Amelia Boynton Robinson and Dr. King in Amelias home. Amelia Boynton Robinson led the march down Edmund Pettis Bridge which led to a massacre in which the KKK (police) tried to kill Amelia and the others. She also passed the 1965 Voters Acts Rights, and has been working With LaRouche ever since then. Why would you ever want to silence the fight for sovergnty and the continuation of the Civil Rights Movement, like the KKK tried doing to leaders of our movement back in the 60s? Are you really a slave that is ready to put on his own shackles at the whim of it's master, "Popular Opinion" or "Mass Media"?




National Black Caucus: "LAROUCHE Must Be Included in the Upcoming Debate"

SIGNATURES:

Assemblyman Mervyn Dymally, former Chairman, Congressional Black Caucus, Los Angeles, CA

Hon. Joycelyn Elders, former Surgeon-General of U.S., Little Rock, AR

Senator Eugene McCarthy, former U.S. Senator, and former candidate for President, MN

Senator Joseph Neal, Chair, Nevada Legislative Black Caucus, 2002 Democratic Nominee for Governor of Nevada, Las Vegas, NV

Amelia Boynton Robinson, Vice-President, Schiller Institute, Recipient, Martin Luther King, Jr. Foundation Medal of Freedom, Tuskegee Institute, AL

JL Chestnut, Esq., Author, "Black in Selma," Selma, AL

J.E. "Billy" McKinney, former member, GA House of Representatives, Atlanta, GA

Dr. Abdul Alim Muhammad, National Spokesman, Nation of Islam, Washington, D.C.

Rep. Earle Banks, MS House of Representatives, Jackson, MS

Rep. Erik Fleming, MS House of Representatives, Jackson, MS

Rep. Alexander Lipsey, Michigan House of Representatives, Kalamazoo, MI

Senator Alma Wheeler Smith, former member, MI State Senate, S. Lyon, MI

Rep. James Thomas, Alabama House of Representatives, former president, National Black Caucus of State Legislators, Selma, AL

Barbara Lett Simmons, Democratic National Committeewoman, Washington, D.C.

Mary Rasmussen, Democratic National Committeewoman, Boyceville, Wisconsin

Rep. Harold James, PA House of Representatives, former Chair, Pennsylvania Legislative Black Caucus, Philadelphia, PA

Rep. Howard Kenner, former member, Illinois State Legislature, Chicago, IL

Senator L. Louise Lucas, Virginia State Senate, Portsmouth, VA

Senator Maggie Wallace Glover, South Carolina Senate, Florence, SC

Senator Daryl Jones, former President, Florida State Senate, Miami, FL

Senator Henry "Hank" Wilkins IV, Chairman, Arkansas Legislative Black Caucus, Pine Bluff, Arkansas

Rep. Demetrius Newton, Speaker Pro Tem, Alabama House of Representatives, Birmingham, AL

Senator Charles Steele, Chair, AL Senate Legislative Black Caucus, State President, Alabama Southern Christian Leadership Conference, Tuscaloosa, AL

Rep. Thomas Jackson, Vice-Chair, Democratic Caucus, Alabama State House; Chairman, Agriculture Committee, NBCSL, Thomasville, AL

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: KAMAZON

Ther should be a limit to the amount of posts you can have per day

I see you have a quote from Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. The Vice Presidents of LaRouches "Schiller Institute" is Amelia Boynton Robinson. If you ever studied the Civil Rights movement, you will know Amelia Boynton Robinson was the lady who invited Dr. King to her home in Alabama, and organized the Civil Rights Movement from her home. Lyndon LaRouches runningmate, Rev. James Bevel, also lived with Amelia Boynton Robinson and Dr. King in Amelias home. Amelia Boynton Robinson led the march down Edmund Pettis Bridge which led to a massacre in which the KKK (police) tried to kill Amelia and the others. She also passed the 1965 Voters Acts Rights, and has been working With LaRouche ever since then. Why would you ever want to silence the fight for sovergnty and the continuation of the Civil Rights Movement, like the KKK tried doing to leaders of our movement back in the 60s? Are you really a slave that is ready to put on his own shackles at the whim of it's master, "Popular Opinion" or "Mass Media"?

That's quite the leap you made there chuckles....he isn't trying to "silence the fight for sovergnty and the continuation of the Civil Rights Movement" he's telling you to STFU!!! He, like the rest of us are getting sick of your LaRouche posts....give it a rest man.....step away from the PC....then do yourself a favor and try coming up with an original thought.

 

[KAMAZON]

That's quite the leap you made there chuckles....he isn't trying to "silence the fight for sovergnty and the continuation of the Civil Rights Movement" he's telling you to STFU!!! He, like the rest of us are getting sick of your LaRouche posts....give it a rest man.....step away from the PC....then do yourself a favor and try coming up with an original thought.

I generally post on my own threads, so if you don't like my posts, guess what, stop reading my threads! Regardless the posts I have on the other threads are factual and well researched. I challenge you to find some or one that is not. Untill then, I will continue to practice my freedom of speech, even if it makes you uncomfortable.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: KAMAZON

That's quite the leap you made there chuckles....he isn't trying to "silence the fight for sovergnty and the continuation of the Civil Rights Movement" he's telling you to STFU!!! He, like the rest of us are getting sick of your LaRouche posts....give it a rest man.....step away from the PC....then do yourself a favor and try coming up with an original thought.

I generally post on my own threads, so if you don't like my posts, guess what, stop reading my threads! Regardless the posts I have on the other threads are factual and well researched. I challenge you to find some or one that is not. Untill then, I will continue to practice my freedom of speech, even if it makes you uncomfortable.

I, along with burnedout and others, have found several of your posts to be made up of 1/2 truths and twisted facts. We have posted researched rebuttals to your delusions but you refuse to consider them because they come from academia which you, via LaRouche's hand up you ass, hate. Your speech does not make me uncomfotable....it makes me life. Your/Larouche's writing border on the insane.

 

[Moonbeam]

Hum, I haven't read any of the LL stuff. A lazy bastard am I. But when I see somebody being called insane, that always gets my curiosity up. Of one thing I'm certain, you don't know nutten if people don't call you insane.

 

[KAMAZON]

I, along with burnedout and others, have found several of your posts to be made up of 1/2 truths and twisted facts. We have posted researched rebuttals to your delusions but you refuse to consider them because they come from academia which you, via LaRouche's hand up you ass, hate. Your speech does not make me uncomfotable....it makes me life. Your/Larouche's writing border on the insane.

I have done my research and seen You have posted BULLSHIT. Presscott Bush was the MANAGING DIRECTOR of the "Nazi Bank" in 1942 when it was shut down, he was never kicked out in 1932 before the Nazis took over. The reason he had 1 share was because as a managing director, his bosses brother, Roland Harriman was the main shareholder (3900 shares total). YOU are the one posting half truths, to excuse a Nazi funder in the USA since you have some kind of desire to keep his families name clean.

 

[Piano Man]

Originally posted by: KAMAZON

Ther should be a limit to the amount of posts you can have per day

I see you have a quote from Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. The Vice Presidents of LaRouches "Schiller Institute" is Amelia Boynton Robinson. If you ever studied the Civil Rights movement, you will know Amelia Boynton Robinson was the lady who invited Dr. King to her home in Alabama, and organized the Civil Rights Movement from her home. Lyndon LaRouches runningmate, Rev. James Bevel, also lived with Amelia Boynton Robinson and Dr. King in Amelias home. Amelia Boynton Robinson led the march down Edmund Pettis Bridge which led to a massacre in which the KKK (police) tried to kill Amelia and the others. She also passed the 1965 Voters Acts Rights, and has been working With LaRouche ever since then. Why would you ever want to silence the fight for sovergnty and the continuation of the Civil Rights Movement, like the KKK tried doing to leaders of our movement back in the 60s? Are you really a slave that is ready to put on his own shackles at the whim of it's master, "Popular Opinion" or "Mass Media"?




National Black Caucus: "LAROUCHE Must Be Included in the Upcoming Debate"

SIGNATURES:

Assemblyman Mervyn Dymally, former Chairman, Congressional Black Caucus, Los Angeles, CA

Hon. Joycelyn Elders, former Surgeon-General of U.S., Little Rock, AR

Senator Eugene McCarthy, former U.S. Senator, and former candidate for President, MN

Senator Joseph Neal, Chair, Nevada Legislative Black Caucus, 2002 Democratic Nominee for Governor of Nevada, Las Vegas, NV

Amelia Boynton Robinson, Vice-President, Schiller Institute, Recipient, Martin Luther King, Jr. Foundation Medal of Freedom, Tuskegee Institute, AL

JL Chestnut, Esq., Author, "Black in Selma," Selma, AL

J.E. "Billy" McKinney, former member, GA House of Representatives, Atlanta, GA

Dr. Abdul Alim Muhammad, National Spokesman, Nation of Islam, Washington, D.C.

Rep. Earle Banks, MS House of Representatives, Jackson, MS

Rep. Erik Fleming, MS House of Representatives, Jackson, MS

Rep. Alexander Lipsey, Michigan House of Representatives, Kalamazoo, MI

Senator Alma Wheeler Smith, former member, MI State Senate, S. Lyon, MI

Rep. James Thomas, Alabama House of Representatives, former president, National Black Caucus of State Legislators, Selma, AL

Barbara Lett Simmons, Democratic National Committeewoman, Washington, D.C.

Mary Rasmussen, Democratic National Committeewoman, Boyceville, Wisconsin

Rep. Harold James, PA House of Representatives, former Chair, Pennsylvania Legislative Black Caucus, Philadelphia, PA

Rep. Howard Kenner, former member, Illinois State Legislature, Chicago, IL

Senator L. Louise Lucas, Virginia State Senate, Portsmouth, VA

Senator Maggie Wallace Glover, South Carolina Senate, Florence, SC

Senator Daryl Jones, former President, Florida State Senate, Miami, FL

Senator Henry "Hank" Wilkins IV, Chairman, Arkansas Legislative Black Caucus, Pine Bluff, Arkansas

Rep. Demetrius Newton, Speaker Pro Tem, Alabama House of Representatives, Birmingham, AL

Senator Charles Steele, Chair, AL Senate Legislative Black Caucus, State President, Alabama Southern Christian Leadership Conference, Tuscaloosa, AL

Rep. Thomas Jackson, Vice-Chair, Democratic Caucus, Alabama State House; Chairman, Agriculture Committee, NBCSL, Thomasville, AL

Woah, tiger. I actually am probably on the same side as you are on with just about everything in this forum, but for the love of god, settle down with the mass posting. I remember the days when TexMaster and Tominator would post nothing but sh!t on the right side of the issue, and I don't want to see it happen on the left side of the issue.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Not to worry KAMAZON, etech has too small a mind to take me at my word. You tried to straighten me out on LL being somebody on the left not right as you assumed I meant from this post:

"I'm finding Lyndon LaRouche to be a refreshing change of venue in the usual right winged wacko garbage."

I wasn't saying that LL is just a new twist to the usual right winged garbage we get here, but that LL's wackiness of a refreshingly different kind. Poor etech, like you misinterpreted my meaning, probably with your help, and used it to take a swipe at me. He thought my point had backfired because LL's on the left and I didn't know it. But I wasn't saying or assuming he was on the right or left, only that LL is refreshingly different than the usual dominatingly right winded wacko garbage we're inundated with here.

etech doesn't like to be wrong and can't admit when he is. You have to get used to it. He needs to think I tried to back out of a mistake because he's desperate to try to make me look bad. But I'm already a nobody. That will have to do.

The mistake was his.

Well, besides your normal insults moonie, I have to agree with you. Since it appears that you and KAMAZON are on the same wavelength I took his interpertation of your post as the most likely. In that I was wrong and admit it.
Yes, LL with his racism and twisted views is quite different than the right side views posted on this board. I don't find it strange at all that you find his views "refreshing"

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: KAMAZON

I, along with burnedout and others, have found several of your posts to be made up of 1/2 truths and twisted facts. We have posted researched rebuttals to your delusions but you refuse to consider them because they come from academia which you, via LaRouche's hand up you ass, hate. Your speech does not make me uncomfotable....it makes me life. Your/Larouche's writing border on the insane.

I have done my research and seen You have posted BULLSHIT. Presscott Bush was the MANAGING DIRECTOR of the "Nazi Bank" in 1942 when it was shut down, he was never kicked out in 1932 before the Nazis took over. The reason he had 1 share was because as a managing director, his bosses brother, Roland Harriman was the main shareholder (3900 shares total). YOU are the one posting half truths, to excuse a Nazi funder in the USA since you have some kind of desire to keep his families name clean.

You cannot conclusively prove that Prescott Bush was a "Nazi funder".

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: KAMAZON

I, along with burnedout and others, have found several of your posts to be made up of 1/2 truths and twisted facts. We have posted researched rebuttals to your delusions but you refuse to consider them because they come from academia which you, via LaRouche's hand up you ass, hate. Your speech does not make me uncomfotable....it makes me life. Your/Larouche's writing border on the insane.

I have done my research and seen You have posted BULLSHIT. Presscott Bush was the MANAGING DIRECTOR of the "Nazi Bank" in 1942 when it was shut down, he was never kicked out in 1932 before the Nazis took over. The reason he had 1 share was because as a managing director, his bosses brother, Roland Harriman was the main shareholder (3900 shares total). YOU are the one posting half truths, to excuse a Nazi funder in the USA since you have some kind of desire to keep his families name clean.

What research have you done? Let me guess....you read some more of LaRouche's ranting.....ohhhh that's research all right. Funny how you are willing to accept any kind of research except for the academic kind. Ohh academia...it's soooo bad....you can't trust anyone who has ever stepped foot on a university campus.

I never said Prescott Bush was kicked out of the Harriman business, what I said was that he resigned in 1931....see that resigned in 1931...that's a historical fact. He was still on the board, but did not attend regular meetings and stayed on the board as more of a gesture of friendship than anything else. You also keep ignoring the fact that the Nazis seized the bank fro themselves in 1938....a good 4 years before it's business in the U.S. was seized and shut down. You also keep ignoring the fact that hundreds, if not thousands, of other German businesses were seized in the U.S. Many of them had no ties at all to the Nazi movement and were simply owned by a German company.

 

[KAMAZON]

I never said Prescott Bush was kicked out of the Harriman business, what I said was that he resigned in 1931....see that resigned in 1931...that's a historical fact. He was still on the board, but did not attend regular meetings and stayed on the board as more of a gesture of friendship than anything else.

How convienent, he 'resigned' in 1931, but was still the Managing Director on the board of Directors, and of course, he didn't want to hurt poor little Harrimans feelings so he stayed on 'to show he is a friend'. A "gesture of Friendship" to a company that was funding the Nazis.

. You also keep ignoring the fact that the Nazis seized the bank fro themselves in 1938....a good 4 years before it's business in the U.S. was seized and shut down.

The Nazis siezed Bush and Harrimans "Union Bank" for themselves in 1938? I think you have your facts messed up. How the hell did the Nazis sieze a NY Bank in 1938 when FDR shut it down in 1942? I think you mean to say that htey siezed THYSSIN STEEL, not the bank in 1938, which by the way, doesn't make your argument any better that 'well, thyssin didn't own it, the Nazi party owned it'.




Finally, I will research the dealing of Bushes bank with the Nazis after 1938 to see if htey continued supporting them even after the war started. Regardless, at a bare minimum, their dealings and fascination with the Eugenics rascist "Master Race" movement, working with the Nazi war companies who carried out Eugenics policies and ideologies even before the war started should not be made 'light' of, unless of course, you're a shmuck.

The company that I DID find which DID continue to work with the Nazis in 1942 without a doubt, was Standard Oil. William Farrish was the collaberator with Presscott Bush in this Rockefeller/Standard Oil crowd which caused a congressoinal investigation in 1942, since the war started, and this company was still working with the Nazis. Farrish 'commited suicide' and his grandson took over. Farrishes grandson is the handler for the Bush family money now, and was made Ambassador to Britain under the first (maybe the present) Bush administrator, so it is still a 'family ran business'.


Do you dare to excuse these acts of rascism of sponsering the Eugenics movement, working with teh Nazis directly upto the war (And dont give me this crap that 'they didn't know the Nazis were bad', everyone knew the Nazis were rascist extremists), then at a bare minimum, continuing to do oil contracts with the Naizs through Standard Oil with William Farrish? Even if you throw up some kind of lame defence for working for Farrish with working with the Nazis, Presscotts own actions as manager of that bank are damning.

The funny thing is, here you have someone with direct links to the Nazis before and after the war started, while LaRouche was training american soldiers to fight the Nazis, then LaRouche fought for Indian Independance; yet "LaRouche is supposidly a fascist rascist". You must live in the world of Laputa in Gullivers Travels where everything is backwards.

 

[Alistar7]

of course and what better way to extend the ideology of the third reich, especially in the areas of racial engineering, than to have your progeny assume power as head of the worlds only superpower. Now he has complete control to wipe out the entire Jewish race. Now tell me why the US, under his leadership, still is actively Israel's largest and most vocal supporter? Why is it we let them do whatever they want, and threaten anyone with extinction that should even try to do the same to Israel? Why did we not invade Israel and turn it over to the PLO?

Heres a reality check, Sharon and Hamas would never deal with each other, you honestly think Hamas would trust him or vice versa?

 

[KAMAZON]

If you are actually serious about this, I will give you some information for you to actually verify yourself independantly:

1.) Arial Sharon acting as finance minister of Israel in the 1980s had full control of funds given to the 'occupied territories' (Palestine). Any funds that came into the PA, would have to go through the finance minister of Israel. It isn't much different today, when Bush had to forecefully tell Sharon to release teh funds to the PA so they can help their humanitarian problem.

2.) Arial Sharon did not release those funds to ARafats "Fatwa" movement which was a nationalistic movement based on poltiical means of having a state. Arial Sharon released those funds to HAMAS, a religious movement based on religious zeal and a perversion of Islam. HAMAS started building Hospitals, Schools (where they teach their backwards way of Islam), Food Kitchens, and Propoganda outlets. All of this was started by "Seed Money" given by Sharon, to use as a counter against Arafats Nationalistic and Political FATWA movement.

3.) Yitzhak Rabin admitted this as well, during the OSLO negotiations.

4.) Israel led under the Likud (the extremist party that Sharon represents) has had a long history of terrorism, including attacking US targets and trying to blame them on the Arabs (The Lavon Affair, the Attack on the USS Liberty, and other MOSSAD "False Flag" operations, bombing of the king david hotel (ran by Menachim Begin, later Likud Prime Minister of Isarel)

5.) every time there is a push for peace, or negotionations wiht HAMAS nearing a Cease Fire, or there is international preassure on Sharon, HAMAS out of the blue comes in, getting past some of the tightest security into the heart of Israel and blows something up, which prompts a reply by Sharon that kills many civilians, which again, prompts another attack and recruits more 'hopeless' suicide bombers. For example, a few months ago when HAMAS was declaring a end to hostilities past the 1967 greenline (the ' undisclosed borders' of Israel/Palestine) and civilians (not including millitary targets and settlers). As soon as this happened, the IDF launched a bomb weighing over a ton from a jet onto a building where the head of HAMAS was, killing over 20 children and other innocent civilians on that entire block. Right now when Abu Mazen (the current prime minister) was negotiating again with HAMAS to a cease fire, Sharon launched an attack to get the new leader which they could have done AT ANY TIME THEY WANTED. His whereabouts were never a secret and they could have 'liquidated' him whenever they want. They launched another major attack, killing children and bystandards, and missing their target. Again, you had new HAMAS backed suicide bombers and an end to negotiations. Sharon has personally stepped in to stop these peace negotiations, which is why we need an investigation in this matter.

 

[Alistar7]

and hamas gets out of this???????? Killed? thats the deal they made with Sharon?

 

[Alistar7]

JEFFREY STEINBERG: SHARON'S PLAN FOR MIDEAST WAR EXPOSED



Two factors were identified by the sources as key to the "Sharon Plan:" Sharon's ability to use Hamas as a tool for destabilizing Jordan, ultimately overthrowing King Abdullah II and establishing Jordan as a "Palestinian homeland" under Hamas control. To this end, Sharon, who was instrumental
in the launching of the Hamas movement earlier in his career, has dispatched his son as a personal back-channel emissary to the Islamist group. Key Hamas personnel have already been infiltrated into Jordan, in preparation for Sharon's provocation of a new general Mideast war - in the days or weeks ahead, the sources said. In many ways, the Sharon-backed Hamas targetting of Jordan is a replay of the early 1970s "Black September" destabilization which involved Abu Nidal, long suspected of being an asset of British and Israeli intelligence. In the 1970s, Hamas was built up by Israeli
occupying forces as a "countergang" to the PLO of Yasser Arafat. Hamas leaders were granted licenses by Israeli authorities to set up food kitchens, clinics, schools and daycare centers, to create a governing structure alternative


and this was done behind closed doors and did not reflect the will of the people of Israel

at the time?