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Egypt Riots

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palehorse said:
That's not entirely true. The initial catalyst(s) and focus for the recent protests are not based on religion, but there is certainly still an element of moderate versus conservative (or "more fundamental") beliefs underlying much of the turmoil there.

After decades of moderate reform, the current Turkish regime has been slowly and semi-quietly swinging the pendulum back toward a more conservative system. Resistance against the move toward conservativism has certainly been one aspect of the entire series of protests and confrontations you're now witnessing.
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The protests happening in Turkey has more to do with PM Ergodan's authoritarian rule and loss of many things like freedom of the press and a few others, not because he started allowing women to wear head scarves and burka on state television, nor because of religion.
 
i was watching ealier and i was half expecting nixon's head to pop out and declare "freedom day"

it's all so futurama-esque!
 
lothar said:
The protests happening in Turkey has more to do with PM Ergodan's authoritarian rule and loss of many things like freedom of the press and a few others, not because he started allowing women to wear head scarves and burka on state television, nor because of religion.
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You're just flat out wrong, but ok...
 
Kadarin said:
There is something very very wrong with this statement.

The burka is an abomination.
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What exactly is wrong with my statement?
I do agree with you that the burka is an abomination, but I don't see anything wrong with my statement that you quoted.
 
Arab spring, lols.

The crowd and Morsi deserves each other. Hey, Egyptians next time you vote somebody up there maybe you and your leader might wanna pay attention to trivial things like "separation of religion and state", "freedom of speech", "anti-discrimination" or "minority rights".
 
He actually said he would represent everyone before elected then by May stated losing it:


“The Koran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader, jihad is our path and death in the name of Allah is our goal,” Morsi said in his election speech before Cairo University students on Saturday night.

Today Egypt is close as never before to the triumph of Islam at all the state levels, he said.

“Today we can establish Sharia law because our nation will acquire well-being only with Islam and Sharia. The Muslim Brothers and the Freedom and Justice Party will be the conductors of these goals,” he said.

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IMO this combined with all the stuff such as locking out everyone but MB from Constitution writing, pressuring military to attack Syria, dismissing judges and declaring himself immune from sanction lead to his ousting along with no economic plan but whatever is spelled out in a 1400yr old book which is obsolete in modern world.

I think he hurt MB for a long time I doubt they will win an election for awhile even though most of the country is Muslim. But they will again someday.
 
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Incorruptible said:
Remember people that obama supported the Muslim Brotherhood and wanted Mubarak out. He bears some responsibility for the suffering of the Egyptian people.

Now he didn't back the Egyptian people but supported a radical. The people in Egpyt burned an effigy of the American ambassador.

Obama should be ashamed of himself along with his supporters for what they did.
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Obama did not support MB. You take whats given and MB was only organized party that ran. He did not give aid to MB the military gets our aid we own them and trust me they didnt overthrow Morsi w/o OBAMA's blessing. That why Obama is backing off even calling it a coup because then by law he cant send more arms to his army.
 
Incorruptible said:
Typical from a clueless scumbag like you.

Morsi wanted Sharia law and was an anti-semite. He was part of the MB and is a radical.

You should be ashamed of yourself for defending Morsi and obama.
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Lolz , a racist complaining that Morsi is perhaps racist.....

Anyaway , he was democraticaly elected and could had
been removed of power legaly in four years or so but the
corrupted egyptian army , a bunch of affairists who control
a part of the economy , decided to stage a coup and for the
purpose they organized mass protests that brainless people
like you are branding spontaneous.

First move of this fascist army was to shut down three TV
station and issue an order to jail 300 people , all this without
the slightest legitimacy.

Indeed , egyptians are mediocre , as you are.
 
This was wrong on so many levels. What'll happen next? There will be elections and another conservative muslim will become president. Why? Because it's the will of the people. Why? Because the silent majority of Egyptians are poor and conservative.

If you want democracy you have to accept it, warts and all...
 
Dari said:
This was wrong on so many levels. What'll happen next? There will be elections and another conservative muslim will become president. Why? Because it's the will of the people. Why? Because the silent majority of Egyptians are poor and conservative.

If you want democracy you have to accept it, warts and all...
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Democracy exists as a means to keep government accountable. If it fails to do so then democracy has no purpose other than to put authoritarians in office and be the opiate of the political masses.

An abusive Democracy is something people should not accept.
 
Zebo said:
Obama did not support MB. You take whats given and MB was only organized party that ran. He did not give aid to MB the military gets our aid we own them and trust me they didnt overthrow Morsi w/o OBAMA's blessing. That why Obama is backing off even calling it a coup because then by law he cant send more arms to his army.
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Yes he did. He even spoke to them when he went to Egypt and ignored the secularists.

The MB wants sharia law and are terrorists.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Democracy exists as a means to keep government accountable. If it fails to do so then democracy has no purpose other than to put authoritarians in office and be the opiate of the political masses.

An abusive Democracy is something people should not accept.
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And? How was the Morsi presidency "abusive"? What did they do that went against the Egyptian constitution? The answer is they did nothing. The people on the streets were the same people that brought down the Mubarak dictatorship. These people are young, educated, and western-oriented. However, they do not represent the majority and, just because their guy did not win the last election they decided to take things to the streets again instead of the ballot box. The Egyptian army, being a pawn of the United States, was in cahoots with them. But the majority of Egyptians wanted someone like them.

What you have here is a minority that prefers violent confrontations rather than put up winnable candidates. Worse, they have an army that's been sucking on Washington's dick/tits for so long they don't know how else to pad their illegal Swiss accounts and influence government other than to play kingmaker.

Fuck the protestors and fuck the army.
 
Dari said:
And? How was the Morsi presidency "abusive"? What did they do that went against the Egyptian constitution? The answer is they did nothing. The people on the streets were the same people that brought down the Mubarak dictatorship. These people are young, educated, and western-oriented. However, they do not represent the majority and, just because their guy did not win the last election they decided to take things to the streets again instead of the ballot box. The Egyptian army, being a pawn of the United States, was in cahoots with them. But the majority of Egyptians wanted someone like them.

What you have here is a minority that prefers violent confrontations rather than put up winnable candidates. Worse, they have an army that's been sucking on Washington's dick/tits for so long they don't know how else to pad their illegal Swiss accounts and influence government other than to play kingmaker.

Fuck the protestors and fuck the army.
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You should take your own advice.

Morsi was a radical Islamist who wanted sharia law. He was also an anti-semite supported by obama. Why do you defend the MB?
 
Incorruptible said:
You should take your own advice.

Morsi was a radical Islamist who wanted sharia law. He was also an anti-semite supported by obama. Why do you defend the MB?
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I defend them because they were elected by the majority of Egyptians. It was the will of the people that he came to power. The Egyptian public knew exactly who they were voting for and they wanted him. End. Of. Story. Fact is, with a democratically elected head of state, the people of Egypt would be wholly responsible for their government's actions. This involves everything, including wars. Now they are not. Why? Because they army and its western backers wanted someone else.

Instead of condemning this and imposing sanctions, Obama and his European puppets are "concerned" and they have "hope" that Egypt's democracy can return. This reminds me of the time when Ireland rejected the Nice Treaty or some other EU treaty. The EU forced them to vote again until they came to the "right" result. Same thing here. It's all bullshit and it's wrong.

Wrong is wrong, no matter how you look at it.
 
Dari said:
I defend them because they were elected by the majority of Egyptians. It was the will of the people that he came to power. The Egyptian public knew exactly who they were voting for and they wanted him. End. Of. Story. Fact is, with a democratically elected head of state, the people of Egypt would be wholly responsible for their government's actions. This involves everything, including wars. Now they are not. Why? Because they army and its western backers wanted someone else.

Instead of condemning this and imposing sanctions, Obama and his European puppets are "concerned" and they have "hope" that Egypt's democracy can return. This reminds me of the time when Ireland rejected the Nice Treaty or some other EU treaty. The EU forced them to vote again until they came to the "right" result. Same thing here. It's all bullshit and it's wrong.

Wrong is wrong, no matter how you look at it.
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These people elected want sharia law which means women have no rights. They are also against Israel. I don't care if the people want this barbarianism, it is wrong.
 
Incorruptible said:
These people elected want sharia law which means women have no rights. They are also against Israel. I don't care if the people want this barbarianism, it is wrong.
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When women lose their right to vote, it's another story.
Did that happen? Nope.
Was it just about to happen? Nope.
Was Sharia Law about to be implemented? Nope.

I don't like the man, his Brotherhood or his policies, but unless the democracy is at risk, the military's actions are questionable at best. Again, just because your guy didn't win doesn't mean you can uproot the government and start over again. That's not how a democracy is supposed to work.
 
PingviN said:
When women lose their right to vote, it's another story.
Did that happen? Nope.
Was it just about to happen? Nope.
Was Sharia Law about to be implemented? Nope.

I don't like the man, his Brotherhood or his policies, but unless the democracy is at risk, the military's actions are questionable at best. Again, just because your guy didn't win doesn't mean you can uproot the government and start over again. That's not how a democracy is supposed to work.
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The guy was a jihadist and the military did the right thing. He was also ANTI-ISRAEL.

It's good that he was kicked out.
 
Incorruptible said:
The guy was a jihadist and the military did the right thing. He was also ANTI-ISRAEL.

It's good that he was kicked out.
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Can you show with links that is what Morsi wanted?
I'm thinking it's more then likely your very active and destructive imagination running wild

Also, why do you support the terrorists?
 
Morsi is out and the chief judge of their supreme constitutional court is interim president. This is great news imo. I look forward to seeing what their new constitution looks like, assuming they get rid of the POS Morsi crafted.
 
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