Egypt Riots

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zinfamous

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True. Look at how easily Obama won even though people didn't want it.

:)

I had to say it. You had to know it was coming.


But a very large majority did, so...what is your point?




Bit problem in Egypt is that the people that wanted new leadership were not nearly as well organized as the MB who were, for decades, castrated by the Mubarack regime. All it took was the impetus, and they simply became the de-facto power structure simply by virtue of having an established infrastructure.

The students and profession educated class that prompted the uprising, I think, begrudgingly accepted the Brotherhood's promises to maintain a secular base, but as soon as they wrested power from the military their true goals became apparent.

This is probably a good thing for Egypt, hopefully. If they can get this dude out and manage to allow the Brotherhood to remain a part of Egypt without conceding their theocratic goals, Egypt could become a powerful partner in that part of the world.
 

Zebo

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Yep - Our march wont start until we are broke and cant continue the anti riot payments anymore. Welfare/food-stamps/disability - gonna be fun.
 

Kadarin

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Yep - Our march wont start until we are broke and cant continue the anti riot payments anymore. Welfare/food-stamps/disability - gonna be fun.

People here in the US are generally pretty comfortable. The quality of life has to go down considerably before we protest en masse.

If we get to the point where welfare checks don't cash, that's when SHTF.
 

lagokc

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The students and profession educated class that prompted the uprising, I think, begrudgingly accepted the Brotherhood's promises to maintain a secular base, but as soon as they wrested power from the military their true goals became apparent.

Isn't that pretty much what happened in Iran when the Ayatollah came to power? Hopefully the Egyptians learn from the Persians' mistakes.
 

Doppel

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Maybe it will be Egypt's turn for a civil war if enough war mongering Muslims can get ito the middle of it.
 
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I remember warning about the failure of the Arab Spring and how radicals like the MB would get elected. This guy Morsi must go.

Hopefully they replace him with someone who respects freedom and small government but I'm not too sure what will happen.
 

Zebo

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Typical fundi. Called it he was going to "martyr" himself. Doesnt care how many die even calls out what limited supporters he has left so more can die. This is problem with electing these fundi guys, god on thier side who cares. They have no plan other than gods plan which is outdated - They don't do anything they said they'd do when they get there - then are will to ANYTHING to keep power.
 

lagokc

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I remember warning about the failure of the Arab Spring and how radicals like the MB would get elected. This guy Morsi must go.

Hopefully they replace him with someone who respects freedom and small government but I'm not too sure what will happen.

Anyone that wasn't completely ignorant predicted the Islamists winning Egypt's elections before the elections were even announced.

My prediction is the military will remove Morsi and either appoint a new dictator or call another election. If they call an election another Islamist will become President and there will be riots again, go back back to step 1. Repeat until either someone in the military manages to become dictator or the Egyptian people run out of energy at protesting and accept an Islamist President.

Even if Egyptians weren't going to vote for Islamists, Islamists will happily commit voter fraud in the name of Allah.
 

Zebo

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There wont be another islamist. Issue was it was either morsi or Mubaraks man. No way they were going to vote for another murbarak so Morsi was all that was left. They even kept all other parties out thinking they could beat Morsi ez. Times have changed there is a good opposition now.

Egypt will be fine as long as mosri/supporter doesnt turn transition into a blood bath
 

moonbogg

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Its inspirational to watch this to be honest. Whatever their reasons may be, their unity and resolve make me envious. It must be great to be a part of something like that. The glory! The honor! VICTORY!!!
 

lothar

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Egypt's president, top general ready to die as power struggle enters 'final hours'
The president and the top general in Egypt both signaled Wednesday that they were prepared to fight to the death for power, edging the country closer to chaos as the final hours ticked down before a military deadline.

In a call to arms, the military put up a Facebook post titled “The Final Hours” and quoted its leader, Gen. Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, as saying that it would be an honor to die rather than subject the Egyptian people to threats or terror.

“We swear to God to sacrifice with our blood for Egypt and its people against any terrorist, extremist or ignoramus,” the statement said. “Long live Egypt and its proud people.”

In a televised speech overnight, President Mohammed Morsi clung to control and said: “I am prepared to sacrifice my blood for the sake of the security and stability of this homeland.”

Protesters again massed by the thousands in Tahrir Square in Cairo, demanding that Morsi step down and call a new election. The government said at least 16 people had been killed and about 200 injured in clashes with security forces at Cairo University.

The military gave Morsi until roughly 5 p.m. local time, or 11 a.m. ET, to meet the demands of the protesters. The ultimatum, issued Monday, has been denounced by supporters of Morsi as a military coup.

Hours ahead of the deadline, civilian political leaders were summoned to meet with the top generals. Those civilian leaders included Mohamed ElBaradei, the former head of the U.N. nuclear weapons agency and a critic of Morsi.

The Associated Press reported that a leading Muslim cleric and the head of Egypt’s Coptic Christians were also at the meeting.
The army appeared to have taken control of the state television building. Non-essential staff were told to go home early, sources told NBC News, and Reuters reported that the building was being guarded by armored vehicles.

There were other signs that support for Morsi was slipping. A senior member of a hardline Islamist party allied with the president told Reuters that the party was trying to broker a peaceful transfer of power to avoid bloodshed.

“We find ourselves faced with the necessity of convincing the president to accept a referendum on early presidential elections,” Tarek al-Zumar of Gamaa Islamiya said in a telephone interview. “This is what we hope will be reached in the next few hours.”

The military controlled Egypt from February 2011, when protesters forced the ouster of President Hosni Mubarak, until June 2012, when Morsi won a competitive election and was sworn in.

While Morsi is still supported by Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood, furious protesters are dissatisfied with his performance. The Obama administration and the United Nations have encouraged Morsi to listen to his people.
Tamarod, a protest movement, called for supporters to rally at the headquarters of the Republican Guard, where Morsi was believed to be staying.

The opposition Dustour Party, whose name means Constitution, said Morsi was leading the country toward violence. It asked the army to protect the people “after Morsi lost his mind and incited bloodshed of Egyptians.”
The military has said it will impose its own “road map” for the future if Morsi does not meet the protesters’ demands Wednesday.

In his speech, which was loud and passionate, Morsi blamed loyalists of Mubarak, his predecessor, for fighting against democracy and challenging his leadership through the current wave of protests.

He asked Egyptians not to confront the military or use violence against its forces, the police or the interior ministry. Earlier in the day, he had demanded that the armed forces withdraw their ultimatum.

The Muslim Brotherhood, backing Morsi, called for counter-demonstrations, and a pro-Morsi rally in a Cairo suburb appeared to attract about 100,000 people, journalists for Reuters said.

The U.S. Embassy warned Americans in Egypt to avoid large gatherings and monitor local news. “Even demonstrations or events intended to be peaceful can turn confrontational and possibly escalate into violence,” it said, adding the embassy was closed.

The crisis could have a significant effect on the global economy. The benchmark price of crude oil for delivery in August rose by $2.22 to $101.82 a barrel in electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange, the highest since early May last year.

Egypt is not an oil producer, but its control of the Suez Canal — one of the world's busiest shipping lanes, which links the Mediterranean with the Red Sea — gives it a crucial role in maintaining global energy supplies.
 
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Anyone that wasn't completely ignorant predicted the Islamists winning Egypt's elections before the elections were even announced.

My prediction is the military will remove Morsi and either appoint a new dictator or call another election. If they call an election another Islamist will become President and there will be riots again, go back back to step 1. Repeat until either someone in the military manages to become dictator or the Egyptian people run out of energy at protesting and accept an Islamist President.

Even if Egyptians weren't going to vote for Islamists, Islamists will happily commit voter fraud in the name of Allah.

The problem is that there are idiots who think the MB isn't bad and accuse people who criticize them as being Islamophobe.

It would be nice to see the people of Egypt elect someone who respect freedom and limited government but I think they could just end up more nutjobs and big government.
 

HomerJS

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I remember warning about the failure of the Arab Spring and how radicals like the MB would get elected. This guy Morsi must go.

Hopefully they replace him with someone who respects freedom and small government but I'm not too sure what will happen.

Lesson for all countires. Leadership needs to run secular administrations not religeous
 

HomerJS

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Tell that to obama. I fixed it up for you.

Lesson for all countries. Leadership needs to run small government not big government.

I don't people in the streets are there because of big vs small. One of their beefs they don't want government run by religion.
 

lothar

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I don't people in the streets are there because of big vs small. One of their beefs they don't want government run by religion.
Umm...No.
The beef is that "It's the economy stupid".

Morsi's government ignored the economy and focused solely on religion.
It's quite possible for government to focus on both the economy and religion such as Turkey does which is now coming out from the secularism founded by Ataturk to the Islamic government of Ergodan and their economy is still doing okay compared to the rest of the middle east nations....Neither the economy nor religion have to be mutually exclusive.
 

unokitty

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More photos from Tahrir Square.


Best of luck to the people of Egypt and their pursuit of freedom!

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Reports of Tanks Rolling
Coup Underway?

Uno
 
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werepossum

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Umm...No.
The beef is that "It's the economy stupid".

Morsi's government ignored the economy and focused solely on religion.
It's quite possible for government to focus on both the economy and religion such as Turkey does which is now coming out from the secularism founded by Ataturk to the Islamic government of Ergodan and their economy is still doing okay compared to the rest of the middle east nations....Neither the economy nor religion have to be mutually exclusive.
I suspect you are correct for the great majority of protesters, although someone made a good point earlier that their original choices were another brick from the same wall or the Muslim Brotherhood.

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More photos from Tahrir Square.


Best of luck to the people of Egypt and their pursuit of freedom!

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Reports of Tanks Rolling
Coup Underway?

Uno
:D The first rule of the Presidency: Thou shalt not win.

I wonder if that is a widespread belief or just the occasional nut.
 

PingviN

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Want elections
Get elections
Your guy didn't win
Demand new elections
Repeat ad infinitum

I don't think the Egyptians understand how a democracy works.
 

unokitty

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I don't think the Egyptians understand how a democracy works.

From the Declaration of Independence:

Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

-- 4 July 1776

Best of luck to the Egyptians seeking freedom!

Uno
 

CrackRabbit

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The problem is that there are idiots who think the MB isn't bad and accuse people who criticize them as being Islamophobe.

It would be nice to see the people of Egypt elect someone who respect freedom and limited government but I think they could just end up more nutjobs and big government.

No, everyone calls you an Islamophobe because you are terrified of Muslims.

As for what is going on in Egypt, it sometimes takes a couple of tries to get it right. Look at France, a good example of a western Eruopean democracy, how many times did they have to have a revolution before they got a stable government that didn't dissolve into dictatorship?
 

Kadarin

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Umm...No.
The beef is that "It's the economy stupid".

Morsi's government ignored the economy and focused solely on religion.
It's quite possible for government to focus on both the economy and religion such as Turkey does which is now coming out from the secularism founded by Ataturk to the Islamic government of Ergodan and their economy is still doing okay compared to the rest of the middle east nations....Neither the economy nor religion have to be mutually exclusive.

You do remember that there are also significant protests going on in Turkey, right?