Edmunds Comparison Test: 2007 Half-Ton Pickup Trucks

[compuwiz1]

So, the yuppy suburbanites are the only ones who will buy them. No self respecting good ol boy, redneck, or farmer, is gonna get caught dead driving one of those. They prefer to buy their "made in merica" GMC, Chevy, Dodge and Fords.

 

[theeedude]

I think Toyota is going to have the same problem that Nissan had with the Titan. It's going to be the favorite truck of non-truck buyers.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Black88GTA

Originally posted by: ElFenix
*snip*...build an HD pickup with LD pricing and HD ride and market it as a half ton.

Fixed...for what any Japanese / Korean maker would have to do in order to tear the good ol' boys away from domestic trucks.

A V8+ pickup with HD capabilities, priced comparably to a much less capable light/medium duty truck from GM, Ford or Dodge is one of the only ways I can see any asian competitor breaking significantly into that market.

Originally posted by: Tom
This thread and the article are misnamed.

It isn't a comparison test if you leave out the Ford, and I would say the Dodge too.

But leaving out the Ford makes it useless as a "comparison".

link

Look at the table.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Tom
This thread and the article are misnamed.

It isn't a comparison test if you leave out the Ford, and I would say the Dodge too.

But leaving out the Ford makes it useless as a "comparison".

Do I have to say it again? In the last comparison test, the Titan beat the F-150 and the Dodge RAM. And neither have had any significant powertrain or structural changes that would change the outcome of the test. Edmunds invited back the winner of the old test to compete against the two new entries.

If two teams get beat in the Sweet Sixteen, how are they going to make it to the Elite Eight or Final Four?

In the end, it comes down to consolidating their testing.

Comparing across different tests isn't the same as comparing vehicles at the same time. Different testers, different weather, different model years, all of these make it a different matter than a real comparison test. Doesn't mean you can't do what you are doing, draw conclusions from different tests, but it doesn't make this article into a real comparison test of 1/2 ton pickups.

And my point is, it isn't correct to call an article a comparison of 2007 1/2 ton pickups, and leave out 2 of the main players.

On another tangent, this test is a real mixed bag of conflicting info, most of which has nothing to do with what people do with pick up trucks, and why they buy them.

Toyota pushes their speed, because they can't talk about 20 year old trucks that are still doing their job. But speed isn't all that relevant for the vast majority of pick-up buyers.

I would say utility, comfort, and reputation count for a lot more.

 

[ballmode]

Go Tundra

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Black88GTA

Originally posted by: ElFenix
*snip*...build an HD pickup with LD pricing and HD ride and market it as a half ton.

Fixed...for what any Japanese / Korean maker would have to do in order to tear the good ol' boys away from domestic trucks.

A V8+ pickup with HD capabilities, priced comparably to a much less capable light/medium duty truck from GM, Ford or Dodge is one of the only ways I can see any asian competitor breaking significantly into that market.

Originally posted by: Tom
This thread and the article are misnamed.

It isn't a comparison test if you leave out the Ford, and I would say the Dodge too.

But leaving out the Ford makes it useless as a "comparison".

link

Look at the table.

Umm, that test is from 2004. It isn't relevant to the short-comings of the article I am commenting about.

Too bad they didn't conduct a test like that this time though.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Tom
This thread and the article are misnamed.

It isn't a comparison test if you leave out the Ford, and I would say the Dodge too.

But leaving out the Ford makes it useless as a "comparison".

Do I have to say it again? In the last comparison test, the Titan beat the F-150 and the Dodge RAM. And neither have had any significant powertrain or structural changes that would change the outcome of the test. Edmunds invited back the winner of the old test to compete against the two new entries.

If two teams get beat in the Sweet Sixteen, how are they going to make it to the Elite Eight or Final Four?

In the end, it comes down to consolidating their testing.

Comparing across different tests isn't the same as comparing vehicles at the same time. Different testers, different weather, different model years, all of these make it a different matter than a real comparison test. Doesn't mean you can't do what you are doing, draw conclusions from different tests, but it doesn't make this article into a real comparison test of 1/2 ton pickups.

And my point is, it isn't correct to call an article a comparison of 2007 1/2 ton pickups, and leave out 2 of the main players.

On another tangent, this test is a real mixed bag of conflicting info, most of which has nothing to do with what people do with pick up trucks, and why they buy them.

Toyota pushes their speed, because they can't talk about 20 year old trucks that are still doing their job. But speed isn't all that relevant for the vast majority of pick-up buyers.

I would say utility, comfort, and reputation count for a lot more.

[*]Utility and comfort are a given for any new pickup truck. These are no-brainers.
[*]Toyota pickups have always been quite reliable AFAIK -- granted we're talking about the Tacoma and earlier compact pickups mostly b/c the T100 didn't come around until the mid 90s. That and Toyotas have the highest resale value of trucks on the market. That "reputation" must account for something.
[*]Toyota plays up the acceleration b/c that's one of its trump cards in this field. For the most part, these trucks are all plenty capable in all other categories.
[*]The Toyota's 5.7 also has good fuel economy

That being said, the Tundra is just another warm body in a field of other great contenders.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Tom
This thread and the article are misnamed.

It isn't a comparison test if you leave out the Ford, and I would say the Dodge too.

But leaving out the Ford makes it useless as a "comparison".

Do I have to say it again? In the last comparison test, the Titan beat the F-150 and the Dodge RAM. And neither have had any significant powertrain or structural changes that would change the outcome of the test. Edmunds invited back the winner of the old test to compete against the two new entries.

If two teams get beat in the Sweet Sixteen, how are they going to make it to the Elite Eight or Final Four?

In the end, it comes down to consolidating their testing.

Comparing across different tests isn't the same as comparing vehicles at the same time. Different testers, different weather, different model years, all of these make it a different matter than a real comparison test. Doesn't mean you can't do what you are doing, draw conclusions from different tests, but it doesn't make this article into a real comparison test of 1/2 ton pickups.

And my point is, it isn't correct to call an article a comparison of 2007 1/2 ton pickups, and leave out 2 of the main players.

On another tangent, this test is a real mixed bag of conflicting info, most of which has nothing to do with what people do with pick up trucks, and why they buy them.

Toyota pushes their speed, because they can't talk about 20 year old trucks that are still doing their job. But speed isn't all that relevant for the vast majority of pick-up buyers.

I would say utility, comfort, and reputation count for a lot more.

[*]Utility and comfort are a given for any new pickup truck. These are no-brainers.
[*]Toyota pickups have always been quite reliable AFAIK -- granted we're talking about the Tacoma and earlier compact pickups mostly b/c the T100 didn't come around until the mid 90s. That and Toyotas have the highest resale value of trucks on the market. That "reputation" must account for something.
[*]Toyota plays up the acceleration b/c that's one of its trump cards in this field. For the most part, these trucks are all plenty capable in all other categories.
[*]The Toyota's 5.7 also has good fuel economy

That being said, the Tundra is just another warm body in a field of other great contenders.

I'm not arguing against the Toyota. However, I don't agree with you that comfort and utility can be considered equal across all models. The Edmunds test gives the edge to the GMC over the others in comfort, for example.

Testing utility would involve things like actually towing things, actually loading and unloading various loads, and considering acceptable levels of wear and tear, versus style and cost.

My comment about 20 years of trucks isn't really about reliability, it's about image. And why Toyota advertises speed, and designed that into their truck. That factor ought to be pointed out, in an objective test.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Do I have to say it again? In the last comparison test, the Titan beat the F-150 and the Dodge RAM. And neither have had any significant powertrain or structural changes that would change the outcome of the test. Edmunds invited back the winner of the old test to compete against the two new entries.

If two teams get beat in the Sweet Sixteen, how are they going to make it to the Elite Eight or Final Four?

In the end, it comes down to consolidating their testing.

all i know is the inside of the toyota is complete crap while the F150 is like a luxury car in comparison. the new GMs aren't as nice as the F150 (though, they're probably more usable than the toyota's... that radio feels like it's for passenger use only).

Originally posted by: NFS4
[*]The Toyota's 5.7 also has good fuel economy

it's not really any better than anyone else's

 

[Gamingphreek]

Toyota pushes their speed, because they can't talk about 20 year old trucks that are still doing their job. But speed isn't all that relevant for the vast majority of pick-up buyers.

My car is 15 years old this year. 1992 Toyota 4x4 Extended Cab. It is still running like a charm. Haven't had a problem. I have taken it out on Sand Dunes, I have done a bunch of aesthetic modifications. Not once have I had to say, "My truck is in the shop" or "My truck is broken right now".

Also, those of you that say the F150 has a better interior than the Tundra are IMO crazy.

Now lets see a review of the Tacoma ...the truck I am most interested in.

-Kevin

Edit:
it's not really any better than anyone else's

It is a point higher than the Nissan and absolutely kills the GMC. Not only that, it delivers more power at the same time as doing this. The GMC even cuts cylinders and STILL can't come close.

 

[MasonLuke]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Contractors, good ol' boys, and anyone else that has a job to do, are still going to buy domestic trucks. The Japanese have a tough job ahead, in capturing that market. I work for a GMC dealership, and our truck sales are brisk.

They're luving the new body style, and we've had some people trade in trucks they've just bought less than a year ago, to get it.

I hear that toyota will not refuse any buyers for the tundra;only the head honcho from the dealer can. They are trying to crash the party and flood the market with their tundras. it will be interesting to see if "they" stay loyal to GM Ford & Dodge.

"They" refers to people in the construction industry and the like.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

I just read a popular mechnics article, and they gave the Titan first place, and Tundra 2nd place. next came silverado, F150, and Ram last.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Also, those of you that say the F150 has a better interior than the Tundra are IMO crazy.

get in one after the other than then tell me that. i've done it. the F150 was way ahead. it was like a luxury car in comparison. the tundra had all sorts of flexing plastic everywhere. great.

Now lets see a review of the Tacoma ...the truck I am most interested in.

-Kevin

Edit:
it's not really any better than anyone else's

It is a point higher than the Nissan and absolutely kills the GMC. Not only that, it delivers more power at the same time as doing this. The GMC even cuts cylinders and STILL can't come close.

i don't see how 16/20 kills 16/21, but hey, it's your math.

and it doesn't get more power at the same time. it has the capability for more power, but fuel mileage is about driving around with partial throttle. both are getting craptastic mileage at WOT. then again, so is every other car on the planet.