EDIT: POLL NOW: Should African Americans get reparations?

[0roo0roo]

http://www.pbs.org/civilwar/war/lincoln_address2.html

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
http://www.pbs.org/civilwar/war/lincoln_address2.html

Lincoln was such an incredible stateman...

 

[ctcsoft]

hells fvcking NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I'm not racist but their just looking for a quick buck as usual. I'm not paying for mistakes made several generations ago.

 

[lMlHuxley]

Originally posted by: tm37
So should you also get your father's speeding tickets?

When Slaves were held it was legal, there is NO legal grounds to make slave owners pay anything.

If I am not mistaken the children of families inherit their wealth or their debt...so...

 

[lMlHuxley]

and once the reperations are paid they can give me reperations for my great great great grandfatheres death fighting for their freedom

 

[oniq]

All I want is White History month 🙁

 

[Venix]

If I am not mistaken the children of families inherit their wealth or their debt...so...

You are mistaken. The deceased's debts can be repayed from his estate, but that just means that his children inherit less. If a poor man dies with $4,000,000 in debt, the debt dies with him.

 

[Rage187]

roflmao look at those results.

 

[wckd]

nope, thats just asking for more tension

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: lMlHuxley

Originally posted by: tm37
So should you also get your father's speeding tickets?

When Slaves were held it was legal, there is NO legal grounds to make slave owners pay anything.

If I am not mistaken the children of families inherit their wealth or their debt...so...

so?

Like I said there is no legal grounds for fining a group or an individual for engaging in an act that regardless of how repulsive was legtal at the time of the act.

If we engage in a transaction lets say I sell you something, I sell you a ticket to a concert for $100 more than face value, and then a year later the congress passes a law making it illegal to sell tickets above face value the law starts THEN not a year ago, You would have ZERO LEGAL GROUND to demand your $100 back.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: wckd
nope, thats just asking for more tension

Precisely. If you asked me to name one thing that would set back relations between blacks and whites, I would say reparations.

 

[Superself]

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: lMlHuxley

Originally posted by: tm37
So should you also get your father's speeding tickets?

When Slaves were held it was legal, there is NO legal grounds to make slave owners pay anything.

If I am not mistaken the children of families inherit their wealth or their debt...so...

so?

Like I said there is no legal grounds for fining a group or an individual for engaging in an act that regardless of how repulsive was legtal at the time of the act.

If we engage in a transaction lets say I sell you something, I sell you a ticket to a concert for $100 more than face value, and then a year later the congress passes a law making it illegal to sell tickets above face value the law starts THEN not a year ago, You would have ZERO LEGAL GROUND to demand your $100 back.

That is a ridiculous comparison. Did the profit you gained from your ticket cause inhumane damage to many generations?? We are talking about 400 years here.
FOUR HUNDERD FVCKING YEARS!!

 

[Bumrush99]

I don't think the US government should pay reperations. HOWEVER, some of the rhetoric and anger in this post is unwarranted. Its not as one sided as many of you would like to believe, proponents of reperations do have some valid arguments. Forget about the far reaching effects of slavery for one moment. Segregation, which was a direct response to the new "freedoms" given to blacks was just as effective in limiting black growth as slavery. Brown vs. Board of Education happened in 1954. Until that point, "Seperate but equal" was legally acceptable in the US! Lets not forget the blacks were segregated less than 50 years ago! Rosa Parks, MLK and other figures that worked hard to eliminate segregation at the state level still have many supporters that are still alive and have suffered from the effects of poor schooling and the legal measures that were in place to prevent their advancement. The freaking national guard had to be called in to allow students in school!

Lets not forget that the institution of slavery led to segregation that maintained itself well through the 20th century. Blacks to this day still live in segregated communities. Understanding these truths doesn't force you to think reparations must be given. However, stating that blacks are ignorant or lazy without taking in to account the far reaching affects of segregation and slavery is ignorant.

 

[Ranger X]

My friend who is Caucasian was harrassed when he was in Chicago by a black bum.

The bum told him, "Where's my reparation, whiteboy? If you're not going to give me your money, I'll knock you out and take it from you." LOL 😀

 

[deldd]

Some of you say your not racist, but you are in denial. The words you speak or in this case type, reveal the truth in themselves. When you refer to an entire group of people as them, then you are on the virge of racism. Consequently, referring to a group of people as them, in this case 30 million black people, you deny them their equality. In your mind you or better than 'them' and yet you probably are only familiar with the black people seen on MTV.
Life goes far deeper than what our individual perceptions are. Open your damn eyes, realize that every last one of us are Americans. Black men, like white men fought in the Civil War. Black men, like white men fought in World War I and World War II. Black men, like white men are killed everyday because their President decides that it's time to go to war. Forget about reparations, it's a bunch of crap. What's owed to the dead, is owed by the dead.

 

[Superself]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
I don't think the US government should pay reperations. HOWEVER, some of the rhetoric and anger in this post is unwarranted. Its not as one sided as many of you would like to believe, proponents of reperations do have some valid arguments. Forget about the far reaching effects of slavery for one moment. Segregation, which was a direct response to the new "freedoms" given to blacks was just as effective in limiting black growth as slavery. Brown vs. Board of Education happened in 1954. Until that point, "Seperate but equal" was legally acceptable in the US! Lets not forget the blacks were segregated less than 50 years ago! Rosa Parks, MLK and other figures that worked hard to eliminate segregation at the state level still have many supporters that are still alive and have suffered from the effects of poor schooling and the legal measures that were in place to prevent their advancement. The freaking national guard had to be called in to allow students in school!

Lets not forget that the institution of slavery led to segregation that maintained itself well through the 20th century. Blacks to this day still live in segregated communities. Understanding these truths doesn't force you to think reparations must be given. However, stating that blacks are ignorant or lazy without taking in to account the far reaching affects of segregation and slavery is ignorant.

I agree. However many people discount or choose to not believe how deep a wound slavery and segregation cut into Blacks. It seems that if you have not lived it, you choose to not believe its effects.

In addition. Everyone seems to think that reparations means a monetary compensation. It does NOT have to be cash in hand but a grant to a University paid for by a company that BENEFITED from slavery....not by individual taxpayers. There are many options for reparations, but simply flat out NO because you didn't have anything to do with it personally is just wrong.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: Superself

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: lMlHuxley

Originally posted by: tm37
So should you also get your father's speeding tickets?

When Slaves were held it was legal, there is NO legal grounds to make slave owners pay anything.

If I am not mistaken the children of families inherit their wealth or their debt...so...

so?

Like I said there is no legal grounds for fining a group or an individual for engaging in an act that regardless of how repulsive was legtal at the time of the act.

If we engage in a transaction lets say I sell you something, I sell you a ticket to a concert for $100 more than face value, and then a year later the congress passes a law making it illegal to sell tickets above face value the law starts THEN not a year ago, You would have ZERO LEGAL GROUND to demand your $100 back.

That is a ridiculous comparison. Did the profit you gained from your ticket cause inhumane damage to many generations?? We are talking about 400 years here.
FOUR HUNDERD FVCKING YEARS!!

yes but the legal Precendance is the same. You can NOT BE HELD LIBLE FOR COMMITING AN ACT THAT WAS LEGAL AT THE TIME YOU COMMITED THE ACT EVEN IF THAT ACT IS NOW ILLEGAL.

 

[Childs]

Originally posted by: oniq
All I want is White History month 🙁

You have White History year.

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: wckd
nope, thats just asking for more tension

Precisely. If you asked me to name one thing that would set back relations between blacks and whites, I would say reparations.

It appears to me that you can list any numbers of things to set back relations. A lot of people on both sides are just looking for a reason.

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
I don't think the US government should pay reperations. HOWEVER, some of the rhetoric and anger in this post is unwarranted. Its not as one sided as many of you would like to believe, proponents of reperations do have some valid arguments. Forget about the far reaching effects of slavery for one moment. Segregation, which was a direct response to the new "freedoms" given to blacks was just as effective in limiting black growth as slavery. Brown vs. Board of Education happened in 1954. Until that point, "Seperate but equal" was legally acceptable in the US! Lets not forget the blacks were segregated less than 50 years ago! Rosa Parks, MLK and other figures that worked hard to eliminate segregation at the state level still have many supporters that are still alive and have suffered from the effects of poor schooling and the legal measures that were in place to prevent their advancement. The freaking national guard had to be called in to allow students in school!

Lets not forget that the institution of slavery led to segregation that maintained itself well through the 20th century. Blacks to this day still live in segregated communities. Understanding these truths doesn't force you to think reparations must be given. However, stating that blacks are ignorant or lazy without taking in to account the far reaching affects of segregation and slavery is ignorant.

Where were you two pages ago!

Originally posted by: deldd
Some of you say your not racist, but you are in denial. The words you speak or in this case type, reveal the truth in themselves. When you refer to an entire group of people as them, then you are on the virge of racism. Consequently, referring to a group of people as them, in this case 30 million black people, you deny them their equality. In your mind you or better than 'them' and yet you probably are only familiar with the black people seen on MTV.

I'm not quite sure racist is the right word, but definitely prejudice.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: Superself

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
I don't think the US government should pay reperations. HOWEVER, some of the rhetoric and anger in this post is unwarranted. Its not as one sided as many of you would like to believe, proponents of reperations do have some valid arguments. Forget about the far reaching effects of slavery for one moment. Segregation, which was a direct response to the new "freedoms" given to blacks was just as effective in limiting black growth as slavery. Brown vs. Board of Education happened in 1954. Until that point, "Seperate but equal" was legally acceptable in the US! Lets not forget the blacks were segregated less than 50 years ago! Rosa Parks, MLK and other figures that worked hard to eliminate segregation at the state level still have many supporters that are still alive and have suffered from the effects of poor schooling and the legal measures that were in place to prevent their advancement. The freaking national guard had to be called in to allow students in school!

Lets not forget that the institution of slavery led to segregation that maintained itself well through the 20th century. Blacks to this day still live in segregated communities. Understanding these truths doesn't force you to think reparations must be given. However, stating that blacks are ignorant or lazy without taking in to account the far reaching affects of segregation and slavery is ignorant.

I agree. However many people discount or choose to not believe how deep a wound slavery and segregation cut into Blacks. It seems that if you have not lived it, you choose to not believe its effects.

In addition. Everyone seems to think that reparations means a monetary compensation. It does NOT have to be cash in hand but a grant to a University paid for by a company that BENEFITED from slavery....not by individual taxpayers. There are many options for reparations, but simply flat out NO because you didn't have anything to do with it personally is just wrong.

You are personally effected By slavery?

Please Explain this. How old are you 200?

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: Childs

Originally posted by: oniq
All I want is White History month 🙁

You have White History year.

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: wckd
nope, thats just asking for more tension

Precisely. If you asked me to name one thing that would set back relations between blacks and whites, I would say reparations.

It appears to me that you can list any numbers of things to set back relations. A lot of people on both sides are just looking for a reason.

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
I don't think the US government should pay reperations. HOWEVER, some of the rhetoric and anger in this post is unwarranted. Its not as one sided as many of you would like to believe, proponents of reperations do have some valid arguments. Forget about the far reaching effects of slavery for one moment. Segregation, which was a direct response to the new "freedoms" given to blacks was just as effective in limiting black growth as slavery. Brown vs. Board of Education happened in 1954. Until that point, "Seperate but equal" was legally acceptable in the US! Lets not forget the blacks were segregated less than 50 years ago! Rosa Parks, MLK and other figures that worked hard to eliminate segregation at the state level still have many supporters that are still alive and have suffered from the effects of poor schooling and the legal measures that were in place to prevent their advancement. The freaking national guard had to be called in to allow students in school!

Lets not forget that the institution of slavery led to segregation that maintained itself well through the 20th century. Blacks to this day still live in segregated communities. Understanding these truths doesn't force you to think reparations must be given. However, stating that blacks are ignorant or lazy without taking in to account the far reaching affects of segregation and slavery is ignorant.

Where were you two pages ago!

LOL, haven't logged in to the Anandtech forum in years, forgot my password and had a long expired email address.. Didn't realize how huge the OT forum is in here, its by far one of the best on the net. I think I'm done with newsgroups forever now.

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: Superself

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
I don't think the US government should pay reperations. HOWEVER, some of the rhetoric and anger in this post is unwarranted. Its not as one sided as many of you would like to believe, proponents of reperations do have some valid arguments. Forget about the far reaching effects of slavery for one moment. Segregation, which was a direct response to the new "freedoms" given to blacks was just as effective in limiting black growth as slavery. Brown vs. Board of Education happened in 1954. Until that point, "Seperate but equal" was legally acceptable in the US! Lets not forget the blacks were segregated less than 50 years ago! Rosa Parks, MLK and other figures that worked hard to eliminate segregation at the state level still have many supporters that are still alive and have suffered from the effects of poor schooling and the legal measures that were in place to prevent their advancement. The freaking national guard had to be called in to allow students in school!

Lets not forget that the institution of slavery led to segregation that maintained itself well through the 20th century. Blacks to this day still live in segregated communities. Understanding these truths doesn't force you to think reparations must be given. However, stating that blacks are ignorant or lazy without taking in to account the far reaching affects of segregation and slavery is ignorant.

I agree. However many people discount or choose to not believe how deep a wound slavery and segregation cut into Blacks. It seems that if you have not lived it, you choose to not believe its effects.

In addition. Everyone seems to think that reparations means a monetary compensation. It does NOT have to be cash in hand but a grant to a University paid for by a company that BENEFITED from slavery....not by individual taxpayers. There are many options for reparations, but simply flat out NO because you didn't have anything to do with it personally is just wrong.

You are personally effected By slavery?

Please Explain this. How old are you 200?

Its not about "personally" being affected by slavery. I think the overall consensus is that reperations are wrong and not a feasable option. There are people LIVING TODAY that were effected by slavery due to the incorporation and INSTITUTIONALIZATION of segregation based on race. If you were born in the South anytime before 1960 and were black you felt the direct impact of segregation which was a DIRECT result of slavery and the dehumanization of blacks. Ask the brothers/sisters of children that were firebombed in church bombings by the KKK if institutional segregation has had any impact on their lives..

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: waggy
I'm all for it.

first they have to be able to prove they were slaves. then find the slave owners and make them pay. If said people are dead then well crap that was easy eh?

Though i think in time it will happen. Someone will do it just for the Black vote. But its going to lead to more problems. Such as Who gets it? Not all blacks are directly from slaves. Who is going to pay? My family was after the slave trade stooped. What about family's that fought in the Civil war?

How much are they to get? are they going to get a cash check? etc.

Not to mention the damage ti would do to race relations.

I think it will happen. just not on the scale Blacks want.

so if my great grandparents were slave owners, I'd have to pay money? HAHAHAH, yeah fvcking right

guess i was not clear. if you owned slaves then yes you would have to pay. Have you ever owned slaves (rossman and vic tied up in your basement for sexual pleasure does not count!)? Nope? ok then you do not pay.

 

[dillydobbs]

The thing is if they want money they should go get their money for the people that traded them for sugar and spice

Thats just my 2 cents

 

[Papagayo]

I can't say what I really want to say without getting banned, because this is very sensitive subject for Anandtech members..


There is a reason why most of the physical athletes are black. I think they should pay and share their wealth with the less fortunates....

 

[Childs]

Originally posted by: Superself

In addition. Everyone seems to think that reparations means a monetary compensation. It does NOT have to be cash in hand but a grant to a University paid for by a company that BENEFITED from slavery....not by individual taxpayers. There are many options for reparations, but simply flat out NO because you didn't have anything to do with it personally is just wrong.

This would probably cause just as much of a problem. People are just looking for an excuse to reinforce their onesided view. Its not a bad idea, but it will cause problems. Reparations are somewhat like an official government apology, and black people never really received one. The Japanese interminent camp victims did. The Jewish holocost survirors did from the Germans. The Native Americans somewhat did via reservations. Some wil argue Chinese or Irish didn't get anything, but indentured servitude seems like a different animal. Had blacks actually received their 40 acres and a mule this whole issue would have been mute. True civil rights after the Civil War would also make the issue mute. There was no apology, and up to the 1960's it sure didn't look like anyone was actually sorry for what happened in this country, or what was still happening. Sure there were white people who tried to help along the way, but government policy was the problem.

The time for reparations is long gone, and it created a divide in this country that I don't see being overcome for a long, long time. Maybe when they stop teaching American History in schools or switch to an edited version. Or when our parents and grandparents all die off.