EDIT: POLL NOW: Should African Americans get reparations?

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: Childs

Originally posted by: Superself

This would probably cause just as much of a problem. People are just looking for an excuse to reinforce their onesided view. Its not a bad idea, but it will cause problems. Reparations are somewhat like an official government apology, and black people never really received one. The Japanese interminent camp victims did. The Jewish holocost survirors did from the Germans. The Native Americans somewhat did via reservations. Some wil argue Chinese or Irish didn't get anything, but indentured servitude seems like a different animal. Had blacks actually received their 40 acres and a mule this whole issue would have been mute. True civil rights after the Civil War would also make the issue mute. There was no apology, and up to the 1960's it sure didn't look like anyone was actually sorry for what happened in this country, or what was still happening. Sure there were white people who tried to help along the way, but government policy was the problem.

The time for reparations is long gone, and it created a divide in this country that I don't see being overcome for a long, long time. Maybe when they stop teaching American History in schools or switch to an edited version. Or when our parents and grandparents all die off.

Agreed.

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: deldd
Some of you say your not racist, but you are in denial. The words you speak or in this case type, reveal the truth in themselves. When you refer to an entire group of people as them, then you are on the virge of racism. Consequently, referring to a group of people as them, in this case 30 million black people, you deny them their equality. In your mind you or better than 'them' and yet you probably are only familiar with the black people seen on MTV.
Life goes far deeper than what our individual perceptions are. Open your damn eyes, realize that every last one of us are Americans. Black men, like white men fought in the Civil War. Black men, like white men fought in World War I and World War II. Black men, like white men are killed everyday because their President decides that it's time to go to war. Forget about reparations, it's a bunch of crap. What's owed to the dead, is owed by the dead.

LOL. I get my viewpoint from growing up in a community where the majority was black. My school (from K-12) was 85%+ black. In my school years over 80% of my teachers were black. Most black students performed very poorly while the majority of white students excelled. Who denied them equality?

 

[Superself]

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: deldd
Some of you say your not racist, but you are in denial. The words you speak or in this case type, reveal the truth in themselves. When you refer to an entire group of people as them, then you are on the virge of racism. Consequently, referring to a group of people as them, in this case 30 million black people, you deny them their equality. In your mind you or better than 'them' and yet you probably are only familiar with the black people seen on MTV.
Life goes far deeper than what our individual perceptions are. Open your damn eyes, realize that every last one of us are Americans. Black men, like white men fought in the Civil War. Black men, like white men fought in World War I and World War II. Black men, like white men are killed everyday because their President decides that it's time to go to war. Forget about reparations, it's a bunch of crap. What's owed to the dead, is owed by the dead.

LOL. I get my viewpoint from growing up in a community where the majority was black. My school (from K-12) was 85%+ black. In my school years over 80% of my teachers were black. Most black students performed very poorly while the majority of white students excelled. Who denied them equality?

If 85% of the school is black, I wouldn't expect the majority of them to excell. I'd expect the ones who did excel with you to be treated as fairly as you did while growing up and not get treated like the others who did not excel....but usually that does NOT happen.

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: Superself

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: deldd
Some of you say your not racist, but you are in denial. The words you speak or in this case type, reveal the truth in themselves. When you refer to an entire group of people as them, then you are on the virge of racism. Consequently, referring to a group of people as them, in this case 30 million black people, you deny them their equality. In your mind you or better than 'them' and yet you probably are only familiar with the black people seen on MTV.
Life goes far deeper than what our individual perceptions are. Open your damn eyes, realize that every last one of us are Americans. Black men, like white men fought in the Civil War. Black men, like white men fought in World War I and World War II. Black men, like white men are killed everyday because their President decides that it's time to go to war. Forget about reparations, it's a bunch of crap. What's owed to the dead, is owed by the dead.

LOL. I get my viewpoint from growing up in a community where the majority was black. My school (from K-12) was 85%+ black. In my school years over 80% of my teachers were black. Most black students performed very poorly while the majority of white students excelled. Who denied them equality?

If 85% of the school is black, I wouldn't expect the majority of them to excell. I'd expect the ones who did excel with you to be treated as fairly as you did while growing up and not get treated like the others who did not excel....but usually that does NOT happen.

No I wouldn't expect them to excel but I would not expect them to do poorly given the same oppurtunity yet they did. The school was not filled with white teachers who do not understand what it is to black or any of the others excuses that have become common. The overwhelming majority of blacks in the school scored far below the national average on math test while the white minority scored at or above average. This is not biased material (another excuse). The blacks that did excel are treated fairly (many of them are still friends of mine), lead successful lives and in general share my beliefs. There is a problem within the black community and it has nothing to do with whites, slavery, or discrimination.

 

[deldd]

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: Superself

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: deldd
Some of you say your not racist, but you are in denial. The words you speak or in this case type, reveal the truth in themselves. When you refer to an entire group of people as them, then you are on the virge of racism. Consequently, referring to a group of people as them, in this case 30 million black people, you deny them their equality. In your mind you or better than 'them' and yet you probably are only familiar with the black people seen on MTV.
Life goes far deeper than what our individual perceptions are. Open your damn eyes, realize that every last one of us are Americans. Black men, like white men fought in the Civil War. Black men, like white men fought in World War I and World War II. Black men, like white men are killed everyday because their President decides that it's time to go to war. Forget about reparations, it's a bunch of crap. What's owed to the dead, is owed by the dead.

LOL. I get my viewpoint from growing up in a community where the majority was black. My school (from K-12) was 85%+ black. In my school years over 80% of my teachers were black. Most black students performed very poorly while the majority of white students excelled. Who denied them equality?

If 85% of the school is black, I wouldn't expect the majority of them to excell. I'd expect the ones who did excel with you to be treated as fairly as you did while growing up and not get treated like the others who did not excel....but usually that does NOT happen.

No I wouldn't expect them to excel but I would not expect them to do poorly given the same oppurtunity yet they did. The school was not filled with white teachers who do not understand what it is to black or any of the others excuses that have become common. The overwhelming majority of blacks in the school scored far below the national average on math test while the white minority scored at or above average. This is not biased material (another excuse). The blacks that did excel are treated fairly (many of them are still friends of mine), lead successful lives and in general share my beliefs. There is a problem within the black community and it has nothing to do with whites, slavery, or discrimination.

This is where your wrong my friend, and if you were a black man then you would understand. I agree with you that there is a problem with the black society, but I disagree with you when you say it has nothing to do with slavery and discrimination. 400 years of slavery and opression can do some extreme lasting damage to the psyche of any people. Then when your free your not really free, because you have no knowledge of what the concept of freedom means. Your placed into a society in which you lack the essential tools to operate.
Knowledge is power as everyone knows. Those that have the knowledge most likely succeed, those that don't, don't. I have had first hand experience with discrimination. You go to school, where the instructors teach that all you have to do is apply yourself and you can be whatever you want, do whatever you want. That was and still is in some cases a bunch of bull. Do you know what it feels like to have someone stab you in the back? Well that's how it felt to me the first time I was discriminated against. It felt like they had all lied to me, I thought man they don't have a clue how the real world is. Do you know what it feels like to know no matter how hard you try or how smart you are, it will never be enough for some people because your skin is a different shade than theirs? This is how my father, uncles and grandfather felt. They tell me the stories of how their young adult lives were. The scars are still there, they don't go away.
Discrimination breeds resentment, frustation and it crushes the human spirit. Some people handle it better than others, but the truth is they shouldn't have to be exposed to it at all.
That 85% number that you threw out means absolutely zilch. I just recently moved to Wyoming, the population is overwhelmngly white. Out of about 500,000 people only 50,000 are not white and only about 10,000 are black. One huge discrepancy I notcied when I came here was the percentage of black students in college. Out of the 13,000 students at the University of Wyoming about 2,000 are black. that's a huge percentage of the black population.
Being from California, I was shocked. It is not as simple as numbers. Especially here since the majority of white students are far below the national average in reading , writing and arithmetic. Society, family and identity are the main keys to success.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: deldd

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: Superself

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: deldd
Some of you say your not racist, but you are in denial. The words you speak or in this case type, reveal the truth in themselves. When you refer to an entire group of people as them, then you are on the virge of racism. Consequently, referring to a group of people as them, in this case 30 million black people, you deny them their equality. In your mind you or better than 'them' and yet you probably are only familiar with the black people seen on MTV.
Life goes far deeper than what our individual perceptions are. Open your damn eyes, realize that every last one of us are Americans. Black men, like white men fought in the Civil War. Black men, like white men fought in World War I and World War II. Black men, like white men are killed everyday because their President decides that it's time to go to war. Forget about reparations, it's a bunch of crap. What's owed to the dead, is owed by the dead.

LOL. I get my viewpoint from growing up in a community where the majority was black. My school (from K-12) was 85%+ black. In my school years over 80% of my teachers were black. Most black students performed very poorly while the majority of white students excelled. Who denied them equality?

If 85% of the school is black, I wouldn't expect the majority of them to excell. I'd expect the ones who did excel with you to be treated as fairly as you did while growing up and not get treated like the others who did not excel....but usually that does NOT happen.

No I wouldn't expect them to excel but I would not expect them to do poorly given the same oppurtunity yet they did. The school was not filled with white teachers who do not understand what it is to black or any of the others excuses that have become common. The overwhelming majority of blacks in the school scored far below the national average on math test while the white minority scored at or above average. This is not biased material (another excuse). The blacks that did excel are treated fairly (many of them are still friends of mine), lead successful lives and in general share my beliefs. There is a problem within the black community and it has nothing to do with whites, slavery, or discrimination.

This is where your wrong my friend, and if you were a black man then you would understand. I agree with you that there is a problem with the black society, but I disagree with you when you say it has nothing to do with slavery and discrimination. 400 years of slavery and opression can do some extreme lasting damage to the psyche of any people. Then when your free your not really free, because you have no knowledge of what the concept of freedom means. Your placed into a society in which you lack the essential tools to operate.
Knowledge is power as everyone knows. Those that have the knowledge most likely succeed, those that don't, don't. I have had first hand experience with discrimination. You go to school, where the instructors teach that all you have to do is apply yourself and you can be whatever you want, do whatever you want. That was and still is in some cases a bunch of bull. Do you know what it feels like to have someone stab you in the back? Well that's how it felt to me the first time I was discriminated against. It felt like they had all lied to me, I thought man they don't have a clue how the real world is. Do you know what it feels like to know no matter how hard you try or how smart you are, it will never be enough for some people because your skin is a different shade than theirs? This is how my father, uncles and grandfather felt. They tell me the stories of how their young adult lives were. The scars are still there, they don't go away.
Discrimination breeds resentment, frustation and it crushes the human spirit. Some people handle it better than others, but the truth is they shouldn't have to be exposed to it at all.
That 85% number that you threw out means absolutely zilch. I just recently moved to Wyoming, the population is overwhelmngly white. Out of about 500,000 people only 50,000 are not white and only about 10,000 are black. One huge discrepancy I notcied when I came here was the percentage of black students in college. Out of the 13,000 students at the University of Wyoming about 2,000 are black. that's a huge percentage of the black population.
Being from California, I was shocked. It is not as simple as numbers. Especially here since the majority of white students are far below the national average in reading , writing and arithmetic. Society, family and identity are the main keys to success.

So you think you are due a check?

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: Childs

Originally posted by: Superself

In addition. Everyone seems to think that reparations means a monetary compensation. It does NOT have to be cash in hand but a grant to a University paid for by a company that BENEFITED from slavery....not by individual taxpayers. There are many options for reparations, but simply flat out NO because you didn't have anything to do with it personally is just wrong.

This would probably cause just as much of a problem. People are just looking for an excuse to reinforce their onesided view. Its not a bad idea, but it will cause problems. Reparations are somewhat like an official government apology, and black people never really received one. The Japanese interminent camp victims did. The Jewish holocost survirors did from the Germans. The Native Americans somewhat did via reservations. Some wil argue Chinese or Irish didn't get anything, but indentured servitude seems like a different animal. Had blacks actually received their 40 acres and a mule this whole issue would have been mute. True civil rights after the Civil War would also make the issue mute. There was no apology, and up to the 1960's it sure didn't look like anyone was actually sorry for what happened in this country, or what was still happening. Sure there were white people who tried to help along the way, but government policy was the problem.

The time for reparations is long gone, and it created a divide in this country that I don't see being overcome for a long, long time. Maybe when they stop teaching American History in schools or switch to an edited version. Or when our parents and grandparents all die off.

They all ready do and that is part of the problem.

 

[fredtam]

This is where your wrong my friend, and if you were a black man then you would understand. I agree with you that there is a problem with the black society, but I disagree with you when you say it has nothing to do with slavery and discrimination. 400 years of slavery and opression can do some extreme lasting damage to the psyche of any people. Then when your free your not really free, because you have no knowledge of what the concept of freedom means. Your placed into a society in which you lack the essential tools to operate.

I will leave this alone and also my race (and their history) out of this until you dig yourself a deep enough hole.

Knowledge is power as everyone knows. Those that have the knowledge most likely succeed, those that don't, don't. I have had first hand experience with discrimination. You go to school, where the instructors teach that all you have to do is apply yourself and you can be whatever you want, do whatever you want. That was and still is in some cases a bunch of bull. Do you know what it feels like to have someone stab you in the back? Well that's how it felt to me the first time I was discriminated against. It felt like they had all lied to me, I thought man they don't have a clue how the real world is. Do you know what it feels like to know no matter how hard you try or how smart you are, it will never be enough for some people because your skin is a different shade than theirs? This is how my father, uncles and grandfather felt. They tell me the stories of how their young adult lives were. The scars are still there, they don't go away.

Of course I know what that feels like. The problem is you think it is because you are black. I was told I could be an astronaut, a pilot, and even the President. The fact is most things like that you are told are false and it has nothing to do with skin color yet it is much easier to say it is discrimination. That is a lot of the problem. I get followed in the mall. I've been turned down for jobs I thought I was the best qualified for. I have been given the third degree by police. People are rude to me. The difference is I don't immediately think it is racism.

That 85% number that you threw out means absolutely zilch. I just recently moved to Wyoming, the population is overwhelmngly white. Out of about 500,000 people only 50,000 are not white and only about 10,000 are black. One huge discrepancy I notcied when I came here was the percentage of black students in college. Out of the 13,000 students at the University of Wyoming about 2,000 are black. that's a huge percentage of the black population.

I'm glad you brough that up because that lends more weight to the numbers I posted. Wyoming is a great example. When I was there (Big Horn and a few other places) I was completely surprised by the black community there. It was completely opposite of my past experiences. I have also found this in many places I have visited since. I'll tell you what I think later but what is your reasoning for blacks being successful in places like that?


Again I am the black man's biggest advocate but if he continues to try to bear the weight of his forefathers it is going to be an even harder climb.

On a side note I once had a black woman from Vermont tell me she could see why people were racist in the south. That has stuck in my mind for a long time.

 

[Childs]

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: Childs

Originally posted by: Superself
The time for reparations is long gone, and it created a divide in this country that I don't see being overcome for a long, long time. Maybe when they stop teaching American History in schools or switch to an edited version. Or when our parents and grandparents all die off.

They all ready do and that is part of the problem.

I mean don't teach about slavery at all till maybe high school. I believe the sooner you find out you're ancestors were slaves in this country the more screwed up you might be. The things you learn as a child shape the person you are, and you may not be able to deal with it properly. I'm not sure how a child processes the fact that his ancestors were slaves, and people like MLK had to fight for basic civil rights. Just like you don't want to necessarily want to tell an adopted kid they're adopted...they may never feel like a real part of the family ever again.

Anyways, just one possible solution.

 

[deldd]

Hello, once again no one is due a check.

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: Childs

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: Childs

Originally posted by: Superself
The time for reparations is long gone, and it created a divide in this country that I don't see being overcome for a long, long time. Maybe when they stop teaching American History in schools or switch to an edited version. Or when our parents and grandparents all die off.

They all ready do and that is part of the problem.

I mean don't teach about slavery at all till maybe high school I believe the sooner you find out you're ancestors were slaves in this country the more screwed up you might be. The things you learn as a child shape the person you are, and you may not be able to deal with it properly. I'm not sure how a child processes the fact that his ancestors were slaves, and people like MLK had to fight for basic civil rights. Just like you don't want to necessarily want to tell an adopted kid they're adopted...they may never feel like a real part of the family ever again.

Anyways, just one possible solution.

Well, ignorance is NOT bliss when it comes to history. Teaching students about their heritage and their ability to overcome the past can be a very positive influence on them. Jews, the Chinese, Cuban Americans and many other ethnic groups have had terrible experiences and have used those experiences as a catalyst to succed. If slavery and desegregation can be put in a context that is positive (the battle was won) that knowledge can be a positive force in the inner cities.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: deldd
Hello, once again no one is due a check.

What is it you want then?

Because You seem to be thinking I as a white male owe you something. I fail to see how I do.

The really funny thing is that my family came over as INDENTURED SERVENTS which of course was the equivelent of a white slave.

I have been the brunt of discrimination, and yes I have been unjustly questioned by the cops, because I was YOUNG. Now having said all of that I don't ask for a damn thing.

The problem is that the BLACK leadership (Jackson, sharpton, clinton) have spent the last quarter century telling the black youtrh they cannot succeed because of the hurdles in front of them. Yet thoose that choose to ignore their "heritage" have usually found success. Thoose who simply decide that they cannot succeed never will.

Desire is a powerful tool. All too often we seem to think that the black man cannot succeed with out the help of the white man. This is a farce. EVERYONE HAS OPPORTUNITIES, they may be different. I joined the military and got a job skill. I have used this skill, along with my charm and pleasent dispostion, to do quite well for myself. Sure I will never be a millionaire and I work hard everyday but I got mione. The difference is that many black youth feel they will never gert theirs because they are taught from a very young age they can't do it on their own.

Instead of rewarding false achievement the bar needs to be raised not lowered. You never learn from or gain anything from gifts. Make these kids learn or fail. Hold them to the same standard. Let them be all they can and tell them as such. There is no shame in failure and yet the black community leaders have done a very good job of placing the failure of the Black youth solely on the shoulder of White america.

If the case was simply racisim then please explain this to me. In the 1950's the Asian community was POORER than the Blacks in general. They werew MORE discriminated due to the fact we had just had a war with Japan, and Yet today the exceed Whites in education and income. If racisim was your only hurdle then They would be there with the blacks slamming into some glass Ceiling. They aren't and that group is an example of how to overcome racism.

 

[Superself]

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: deldd
Hello, once again no one is due a check.

What is it you want then?

Because You seem to be thinking I as a white male owe you something. I fail to see how I do.

The really funny thing is that my family came over as INDENTURED SERVENTS which of course was the equivelent of a white slave.

I have been the brunt of discrimination, and yes I have been unjustly questioned by the cops, because I was YOUNG. Now having said all of that I don't ask for a damn thing.

The problem is that the BLACK leadership (Jackson, sharpton, clinton) have spent the last quarter century telling the black youtrh they cannot succeed because of the hurdles in front of them. Yet thoose that choose to ignore their "heritage" have usually found success. Thoose who simply decide that they cannot succeed never will.

Desire is a powerful tool. All too often we seem to think that the black man cannot succeed with out the help of the white man. This is a farce. EVERYONE HAS OPPORTUNITIES, they may be different. I joined the military and got a job skill. I have used this skill, along with my charm and pleasent dispostion, to do quite well for myself. Sure I will never be a millionaire and I work hard everyday but I got mione. The difference is that many black youth feel they will never gert theirs because they are taught from a very young age they can't do it on their own.

Instead of rewarding false achievement the bar needs to be raised not lowered. You never learn from or gain anything from gifts. Make these kids learn or fail. Hold them to the same standard. Let them be all they can and tell them as such. There is no shame in failure and yet the black community leaders have done a very good job of placing the failure of the Black youth solely on the shoulder of White america.

If the case was simply racisim then please explain this to me. In the 1950's the Asian community was POORER than the Blacks in general. They werew MORE discriminated due to the fact we had just had a war with Japan, and Yet today the exceed Whites in education and income. If racisim was your only hurdle then They would be there with the blacks slamming into some glass Ceiling. They aren't and that group is an example of how to overcome racism.

I disagree that the Asian community suffered as much as Blacks did. Did the Asian communty suffer 400 years too? Did every single Asian who came to the US get this treatment? Were they routinely beaten and told they would get killed if they were smart? Were they denied voting rights and chased down by police dogs? Were Asians routinely lynched and hung from trees on a regular basis? Did they have to sit at the back of the bus or have separate stalls for bathrooms?
I just don't think it was as bad for the whole Asian population and for as such a long period of time.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: Superself


I disagree that the Asian community suffered as much as Blacks did. Did the Asian communty suffer 400 years too? Did every single Asian who came to the US get this treatment? Were they routinely beaten and told they would get killed if they were smart? Were they denied voting rights and chased down by police dogs? Were Asians routinely lynched and hung from trees on a regular basis? Did they have to sit at the back of the bus or have separate stalls for bathrooms?
I just don't think it was as bad for the whole Asian population and for as such a long period of time.

Yes in the west the asain whiule they were not slaves. Hell just 50 years ago Japaneese were locked up because they were they were japanese.

To say that The black Man is still being held down is at a disadvantage because of slavery is just plain silly. It's always easier to fail when it is not your fault.

 

[Childs]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Originally posted by: Childs

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: Childs

Originally posted by: Superself
The time for reparations is long gone, and it created a divide in this country that I don't see being overcome for a long, long time. Maybe when they stop teaching American History in schools or switch to an edited version. Or when our parents and grandparents all die off.

They all ready do and that is part of the problem.

I mean don't teach about slavery at all till maybe high school I believe the sooner you find out you're ancestors were slaves in this country the more screwed up you might be. The things you learn as a child shape the person you are, and you may not be able to deal with it properly. I'm not sure how a child processes the fact that his ancestors were slaves, and people like MLK had to fight for basic civil rights. Just like you don't want to necessarily want to tell an adopted kid they're adopted...they may never feel like a real part of the family ever again.

Anyways, just one possible solution.

Well, ignorance is NOT bliss when it comes to history. Teaching students about their heritage and their ability to overcome the past can be a very positive influence on them. Jews, the Chinese, Cuban Americans and many other ethnic groups have had terrible experiences and have used those experiences as a catalyst to succed. If slavery and desegregation can be put in a context that is positive (the battle was won) that knowledge can be a positive force in the inner cities.

You learn it later when you can process it better. I don't think the topic is covered in depth enough in pre high school education, and the only thing you hear is the incomplete black people were slaves bit, MLK was great because he fought for civil rights, etc. Its a fairly complex issue, but they only teach highlights, so your view of the world and your place in it can change. Jews, the Chinese, Cubans, etc aren't taught that the way they came to America was as slaves. They don't learn that it took people like MLK to fight for your basic civil rights, in the country you call your home, and thats the only reason you're sitting in an integrated classroom. Children might not be able to but it in the proper perspective. Its not an ignorance is bliss solution, but start out fresh then get the details when you're ready. I think the way education teaches this subject does more harm than good.

 

[tm37]

Actually the topic is never covered in depth.

If you were to ask 90% of all high school graduates wiould believe that lincoln was an abolishonist, The civil war was entirely about slavery (or at least mostly), and that LINCOLM was one of the most compasionate men ever to hold office.

Of course none of that is true but it sure makes a good story.

The answer is that each year in high school you go over a AREA of history, history is one of the most important subjects and yet it has become a class where you just need to remember names and date regardless of weather you know the relivance of them.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: deldd
Some of you say your not racist, but you are in denial. The words you speak or in this case type, reveal the truth in themselves. When you refer to an entire group of people as them, then you are on the virge of racism. Consequently, referring to a group of people as them, in this case 30 million black people, you deny them their equality. In your mind you or better than 'them' and yet you probably are only familiar with the black people seen on MTV.
Life goes far deeper than what our individual perceptions are. Open your damn eyes, realize that every last one of us are Americans. Black men, like white men fought in the Civil War. Black men, like white men fought in World War I and World War II. Black men, like white men are killed everyday because their President decides that it's time to go to war. Forget about reparations, it's a bunch of crap. What's owed to the dead, is owed by the dead.

really now. . . .

did i misread or did you also refer to them as them

better luck next time youngster.

 

[LongCoolMother]

ill vote for reparations for blacks as soon as the japanese/european imperialists pay reparations to my ancestors.

thats only if. i wont demand for it, its ridiculous.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Superself


I disagree that the Asian community suffered as much as Blacks did. Did the Asian communty suffer 400 years too? Did every single Asian who came to the US get this treatment? Were they routinely beaten and told they would get killed if they were smart? Were they denied voting rights and chased down by police dogs? Were Asians routinely lynched and hung from trees on a regular basis? Did they have to sit at the back of the bus or have separate stalls for bathrooms?
I just don't think it was as bad for the whole Asian population and for as such a long period of time.

Yes.

but they never used it as an excuse. so others forget it.

 

[LongCoolMother]

Originally posted by: Superself

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: deldd
Hello, once again no one is due a check.

What is it you want then?

Because You seem to be thinking I as a white male owe you something. I fail to see how I do.

The really funny thing is that my family came over as INDENTURED SERVENTS which of course was the equivelent of a white slave.

I have been the brunt of discrimination, and yes I have been unjustly questioned by the cops, because I was YOUNG. Now having said all of that I don't ask for a damn thing.

The problem is that the BLACK leadership (Jackson, sharpton, clinton) have spent the last quarter century telling the black youtrh they cannot succeed because of the hurdles in front of them. Yet thoose that choose to ignore their "heritage" have usually found success. Thoose who simply decide that they cannot succeed never will.

Desire is a powerful tool. All too often we seem to think that the black man cannot succeed with out the help of the white man. This is a farce. EVERYONE HAS OPPORTUNITIES, they may be different. I joined the military and got a job skill. I have used this skill, along with my charm and pleasent dispostion, to do quite well for myself. Sure I will never be a millionaire and I work hard everyday but I got mione. The difference is that many black youth feel they will never gert theirs because they are taught from a very young age they can't do it on their own.

Instead of rewarding false achievement the bar needs to be raised not lowered. You never learn from or gain anything from gifts. Make these kids learn or fail. Hold them to the same standard. Let them be all they can and tell them as such. There is no shame in failure and yet the black community leaders have done a very good job of placing the failure of the Black youth solely on the shoulder of White america.

If the case was simply racisim then please explain this to me. In the 1950's the Asian community was POORER than the Blacks in general. They werew MORE discriminated due to the fact we had just had a war with Japan, and Yet today the exceed Whites in education and income. If racisim was your only hurdle then They would be there with the blacks slamming into some glass Ceiling. They aren't and that group is an example of how to overcome racism.

I disagree that the Asian community suffered as much as Blacks did. Did the Asian communty suffer 400 years too? Did every single Asian who came to the US get this treatment? Were they routinely beaten and told they would get killed if they were smart? Were they denied voting rights and chased down by police dogs? Were Asians routinely lynched and hung from trees on a regular basis? Did they have to sit at the back of the bus or have separate stalls for bathrooms?
I just don't think it was as bad for the whole Asian population and for as such a long period of time.

they didnt suffer everything you listed. but they suffered in ways the blacks didnt either. now whether they suffered as much as the blacks is irrelevent (and they probably didnt) but they were treated extremely poorly as well- moreso than most people probably think. a lot were kidnapped overseas as well. why then were many of them able to become successful? (asian community) they dont complain as much either.