EDIT: Multiple large airports delaying flights due to Shutdown

[Hayabusa Rider]

Nailed it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1088868836860968961

Do not bet on Trump backing down.

 

[K1052]

Do not bet on Trump backing down.

I'm old enough to remember when he told the Senate he would sign the original CR weeks ago then decided not to after they passed it.

 

[Blackjack200]

Government workers go hungry for weeks: no deal

Rich travelers mildly inconvenienced: DEAL! DEAL! DEAL!

Class warfare exists, and it is being waged by the rich.

 

[theeedude]

Folding like a cheap suit into TSA approved suitcase.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Government workers go hungry for weeks: no deal

Rich travelers mildly inconvenienced: DEAL! DEAL! DEAL!

Class warfare exists, and it is being waged by the rich.

One of your better false statements. Rich travellers? The bloody economy collapses without air traffic. It is a guaranteed recession and likely depression.

 

[Blackjack200]

One of your better false statements. Rich travellers? The bloody economy collapses without air traffic. It is a guaranteed recession and likely depression.

First of all, there was zero air traffic for what.. a week? ...after 9/11 and the economy did not collapse. Second of all, we had delays of 45 minutes, that's not a collapse.

 

[UNCjigga]

So...Coulter was on Twitter today suggesting that Trump fire all the ATCers not showing up to work. Wanted him to channel Reagan or something. How delusional are these people???

 

[UNCjigga]

First of all, there was zero air traffic for what.. a week? ...after 9/11 and the economy did not collapse. Second of all, we had delays of 45 minutes, that's not a collapse.

Trading was suspended until 9/17...so that limited the impact somewhat. When markets reopened they lost 7% in a single day and lost 15% in the first week. Airlines lost over 40% of their market value.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

First of all, there was zero air traffic for what.. a week? ...after 9/11 and the economy did not collapse. Second of all, we had delays of 45 minutes, that's not a collapse.

Reliance on air traffic has vastly increased since then and only because trump folded for a few weeks collapse didn't happen. Try that for a few months or more. The reason there were delays was because people are breaking down which puts more stress on the remainder who then drop out which continues to a vicious cycle until there is no one left.

A whole economy depends on air traffic, and you think it's "rich people being mildly inconvenienced"? That's a Wilbur Ross level statement. Last year the air transportation sector spent 3% of the US GDP. That's just moving stuff. Then this wasn't random flying around. Things have value added as supplies become available and as air costs more than truck, it's of a high value to ship that way. In all we're looking at a fantastic amount of money, greater than the wealth of every billionaire added together, in one year. Dollars? Almost certainly transport isn't a third the cost of production, but let's say it is. That's two trillion dollars, conservatively, added to the economy. "A few rich people" indeed.

Next, we go back to carts and oxen.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So...Coulter was on Twitter today suggesting that Trump fire all the ATCers not showing up to work. Wanted him to channel Reagan or something. How delusional are these people???

He couldn't if he wanted to.

 

[JSt0rm]

lol trump is gonna sign a continuing resolution. This ended the gov shutdown. Fucking moron. How much money do we have to spend on his retard crusade?

 

[Blackjack200]

Trading was suspended until 9/17...so that limited the impact somewhat.

Uhh, what?

When markets reopened they lost 7% in a single day and lost 15% in the first week. Airlines lost over 40% of their market value.

1. That's not the same as the economy collapsing
2. That wasn't only due to the suspension of air travel

 

[Blackjack200]

Reliance on air traffic has vastly increased since then and only because trump folded for a few weeks collapse didn't happen. Try that for a few months or more. The reason there were delays was because people are breaking down which puts more stress on the remainder who then drop out which continues to a vicious cycle until there is no one left.

A whole economy depends on air traffic, and you think it's "rich people being mildly inconvenienced"? That's a Wilbur Ross level statement. Last year the air transportation sector spent 3% of the US GDP. That's just moving stuff. Then this wasn't random flying around. Things have value added as supplies become available and as air costs more than truck, it's of a high value to ship that way. In all we're looking at a fantastic amount of money, greater than the wealth of every billionaire added together, in one year. Dollars? Almost certainly transport isn't a third the cost of production, but let's say it is. That's two trillion dollars, conservatively, added to the economy. "A few rich people" indeed.

Next, we go back to carts and oxen.

LMAO, that's one of the most incoherent rants I've read here in a while.

 

[Zorba]

Reportedly a 3 week CR with current funding.

I just went through TSA and they all seemed pretty happy.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

LMAO, that's one of the most incoherent rants I've read here in a while.

Trumpian level explanation then, it's the economics stupid.

 

[Zorba]

Trading was suspended until 9/17...so that limited the impact somewhat. When markets reopened they lost 7% in a single day and lost 15% in the first week. Airlines lost over 40% of their market value.

The airlines has already been planning to do layoffs and remove capacity before 9/11. After 9/11, people were scared shitless about flying for quite a while. 9/11 happened at a time we were already headed into a recession and it gave a big push. On top of the wider economy issues, oil prices shot up and legacy costs came home to roost.

That being said, if air travel stopped for any amount of time we would be headed into a recession.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I just went through TSA and they all seemed pretty happy.

I’ve traveled every week since the shutdown. Definitely fewer TSA lines, but still operating smoothly. The northeast just suffered through a week of intense weather events that probably pushed things over the edge.