Ebay problem

Muse

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I checked out a seller's multiple purchase policy for DVD's and saw I could get cheap shipping if I won several of his auctions. He had many many DVD auctions going and I found and won 8 DVD's that I wanted. He'd said he took Paypal (middle of each listing) but at the bottom he had a line saying he wouldn't take Paypal for some weird sounding reason (I only figured that out after the auctions were over), so I sent him a personal check. That slowed things down, but I finally got the box.

These appear to be all Blockbuster sell-offs. A few of the DVD's are OK, but there are some problems:

3 of them have a strange and completely (!) pervasive scratch pattern. The pattern goes from the center to the outside, almost perpendicular, but not quite. The effect is somewhat spiral. One of the DVD's will not play in any player I have. One will not play in my computer's DVD drive but will play with occasional momentary freezes and sound dropouts in my standalone DVD player. Of course, that's very annoying. Another of these scratched disks seemed to play OK in both my computer's DVD drive and my standalone player. So, of the 3 scratched disks, one won't play, one plays crappy, the other seems to play.

On top of that, 2 of the DVD's were advertised as "new" and are decidedly not new - they are very obviously used. I actually bought them with the idea that I would resell them on eBay as new, so I'm put out.

All of these were represented as either new or "The case and the disc are in mint condition." In every case, the case was decidedly NOT in mint condition - they have stickers that were only partially removed, so that you couldn't read the sticker, but you can't read what is beneath the sticker on the case. I think these were Blockbuster stickers.

The seller in his listings says that if you have any issues with the merchandise, you should email him and he will provide his telephone number so you can discuss your dissatisfaction before you leave him negative feedback. I emailed him explaining things in detail and asking him what we can do, and got no response. So a week later I emailed him again asking him what he will do. That was 12 days ago and I still have gotten no response.

What are my options? Obviously, I can just dump on him and leave negative feedback, potentially for every one of these 8 DVD's, because not one measures up to his assurances for quality. However, I think I can get him to do something if I'm persistent and patient. Can I get his phone number from eBay?
 

spherrod

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You should be able to get his phone number from Ebay - if you go into their help section you can get a link where you can request their contact information and then take if from there.
 

Muse

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Originally posted by: spherrod
You should be able to get his phone number from Ebay - if you go into their help section you can get a link where you can request their contact information and then take if from there.

I thought I remember seeing that. I'll hunt it down. Thanks!
 

Trader05

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i'd do an ebay claim, he sold merchandise that wasn't as described. if he doesn't respond to them, at least you can get most of your money back.
 

Muse

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Originally posted by: Trader05
i'd do an ebay claim, he sold merchandise that wasn't as described. if he doesn't respond to them, at least you can get most of your money back.

Right, I had that in mind too. Well, I'm not in a hurry. I'll try to deal with him first. I'm willing to let him slide on the disks that play OK that were represented as "mint." I'm not sure I would allow him to get away with supplying me with used DVD's that were represented as new. The disk that doesn't play is obviously totally unacceptable, and the one that plays crappy is also totally unacceptable since it was represented as mint. In the future I think I'll steer clear of sellers who are probably selling rental disks. It's just not worth the trouble.

Thanks for the answers.
 

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Get your money back from eBay AND leave him negative feedback.

It's only fair to let any future potential buyers of his know that his items aren't as they are represented.
 

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Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: Trader05
i'd do an ebay claim, he sold merchandise that wasn't as described. if he doesn't respond to them, at least you can get most of your money back.

Right, I had that in mind too. Well, I'm not in a hurry. I'll try to deal with him first. I'm willing to let him slide on the disks that play OK that were represented as "mint." I'm not sure I would allow him to get away with supplying me with used DVD's that were represented as new. The disk that doesn't play is obviously totally unacceptable, and the one that plays crappy is also totally unacceptable since it was represented as mint. In the future I think I'll steer clear of sellers who are probably selling rental disks. It's just not worth the trouble.

Thanks for the answers.


.... are you careless with your money? NONE OF THAT IS ACCEPTABLE.

You bought something that was described as new that you could have gotten from any other seller and probably gotten a better product.

Push for full return, full refund. The report him to paypal for claiming to accept it, then not taking it.
 

Muse

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In surveying my email correspondence with the seller I just realized that he did email me 10 days ago, responding to my second entreaty for grievance resolution (2 days later). It had slipped my attention. In it he said:
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I apologize for what appears to be bum rap items. Can you do me a favor and
test those that did not function in another DVD player and let me know the
results?

Thanks again for your bid...
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I guess I'll see how the 3 scratched disks play in a second standalone DVD player that I have, although I almost never use it because it's not an upscaling deck. I got my response back from ebay from my request for contact info. I now have the seller's phone number. However, he'd said in his listings that he would furnish buyers with that personally in the event of problems. I have to look at this guy askance.
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Edit: Oh, Geez... The disk that won't do anything in my computer or standalone deck of choice appears to play in my Philips standalone. Nuts. I can't be swapping decks out just to play that one title. I've got another computer with a DVD reader. I'll see if I can read the disk in that. If so, maybe I can rip it with DVDShrink. Otherwise, I'm sure going to have to insist on a replacement or refund.
 
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Were you knowingly purchasing "knock off" DVDs or were your intentions to really buy new authentic US DVDs?

If it's the first one, then it's pretty much your fault for getting some knock-offs, but if it was the latter, then the seller is definitely in the wrong.
 

Muse

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Originally posted by: Schfifty Five
Were you knowingly purchasing "knock off" DVDs or were your intentions to really buy new authentic US DVDs?

If it's the first one, then it's pretty much your fault for getting some knock-offs, but if it was the latter, then the seller is definitely in the wrong.
What do you mean by knock off? You mean bootlegs? These aren't bootlegs. They are evidently authentic, but are (with the exception of two DVD's) rental disks. The seller didn't indicate this, but I should have suspected that they were originally rental disks, because I bought a similar disk off eBay previously. If a seller is selling scores and scores of DVD's (i.e. a "high volume" seller) you should suspect rental disks.

However, this guy represented all as either mint or new. Now new should be new - shrinkwrapped disks, pure and simple. Mint means virtually new in the lexicon. Labels partially peeled off the outer case wouldn't be acceptable. Moreover, severely scratched disks wouldn't be acceptable.

The difference between the two disks listed as "new" and the others (besides the scratches I talk about in the thread) is the fact that they don't have partial labels glued to the case. So, although obviously used, they aren't (probably) rental disks. That doesn't qualify as new. The seller is really prevailing on his buyer in this case (I find it hard to believe anyone could be so stupid).
 

Muse

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So, here's the thing. The guy asked me to test the two disks that wouldn't play in another DVD player and they both seem to play in my Philips DVP-642 DVD player. It's a cheapo that doesn't support upscaling or digital output, just SVHS and component and composite. I have it attached to my 20" TV and use a Momitsu V880 upscaling DVD player in my home theater (with Sanyo PLV-Z2 projector, attached to the Momitsu by optical cable connection). I don't want to have to swap DVD players to watch these two movies. Is there any way I can rip the movie using the Philips deck? Neither DVD will read in either of my computer's DVD drives (NEC ND-2510A burner and Pioneer S106 player).
 

Muse

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Originally posted by: Trader05
i'd do an ebay claim, he sold merchandise that wasn't as described. if he doesn't respond to them, at least you can get most of your money back.

I finally tried to do that today but the response was that the disputed items are beyond the 60 day response time. I was unaware that I had such a limited amount of time to resolve or complain about this stuff. I won the auctions 73 days ago. The seller hasn't been responding to my emails or phone calls. I'm complaining to ebay (sent them an online email today) and if they can't or won't help me I can still post negative feedback on the seller (there's a 90 day limit for that).
 

Muse

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Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
the weird scratches are probably from DVD Doctor

What does that mean? Is there something I might be able to do to get the disks to play OK?
 

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Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
the weird scratches are probably from DVD Doctor

What does that mean? Is there something I might be able to do to get the disks to play OK?
There's a product called DVD Doctor that you put scratched up DVDs in, then turn a hand crank to buff out the scratches. That may be the explaination for the strange scratch pattern.

I'd insist on a full refund, even if you do have one DVD player that they work on. If I buy a DVD player that refuses to play on any device I own, but works just fine on my roomate's DVD player, it's going back to the store.