eBay issues - Seller used cheaper shipping method than what I paid for.

Super56K

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Feb 27, 2004
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Ok, here's the deal. Last Monday or so (29th Oct.) I won an auction for an item that cost me about $155 shipped. The shipping charge was $12 for Priority mail shipping, and the item isn't extremely heavy or large (Line 6 Toneport UX2). I didn't hear anything from the seller until he replied to a query I made on Tuesday Oct. 30th asking to let me know when the item ships. The seller responded saying that the item had been shipped out that day, but that in their erroneous calculations they had quoted me too low a price on the Priority mail shipping so a cheaper method was used without any delivery confirmation (I had asked to get the numbers if available).

Fast forward to now...seven days after seller claims the item has been shipped I still have not received it. So, supposing the seller isn't trying to rip me off what action should I take if the item is received in described condition? If it's a legit sale I'm pretty pissed about shortchanging me on shipping at the end, and after seven days of no item it's looking like media mail may have been illegally used since with about any other option it doesn't ever take this long to receive stuff.

I'm going to send the seller a message soon after this before heading off to school to address much of what I've detailed here, and to try and get some more info on the shipping method used. The eBay boards didn't help me too much. I searched around and mainly found that eBay turns a blind eye for the most part to sellers who used cheaper shipping methods although buyers had paid for a more expensive service.

So I ask, what would some of you do in this situation?

edit to add:

Seller has 100% feedback (73)
Recent feedback from Nov. 1 from a buyer who purchased a roland micro cube for about a $100 shipped

Also sticks this in their auction:
Check the feedback, it's getting harder and harder to keep the 100% these days.
I pack well, I ship promptly, and I keep great contact if there's ever a snag.

Update 11/7/07

Seller responded back with a vague method about how it's too soon to expect a package so I messaged back again and told them to tell me what specific shipping method was used (because they still hadn't stated how it was shipped), I listed some possible ones to drive the point home, and I got a response back stating it was shipped using Parcel Post.

That's just the beginning though. I was nice to the seller in all my messages, not openly aggressive or anything like that, and on the last response he rattled off this when he finally fessed up about using Parcel post:

"I'm not trying to sound rude, but to be clear about Ebay's rules, you did not pay for priority shipping. You may have wanted that, and the bottom of my listing may have stated priority mail, but you PAID $12 for shipping FLAT RATE-which, according to ebay's terms and guidelines, insures no exact shipping source-it's up to the buyer to find the cheapest shipping method. If I would have shipped priority, I would have had to charge more. That's obviously why I only charged $12.00 It's the lowest shipping charge and usually that's what people want."

I really don't know what he's getting at being such a dick about everything. As a seller, I know that you can charge a flat rate price for the specified shipping method instead of using a calculator, but come on...I would be banned from eBay by now if I screwed people over on shipping like this. There is a flat rate option with no specified shipping as well, which is what he's referring too, but his auction clearly states 2-3 day Priority for $12.

I messaged him back with this:

"You're certainly not helping things. It took you two responses to admit that you gipped me on shipping, and right away you offered money back because you know you're doing wrong. I wouldn't have wasted my time wondering where a package was last week, and bothering you if you would have stated you were shipping parcel post in your auction instead of Priority, regardless of what you think some eBay policy allows you to do. I'll get back to you when the item arrives."

Now, I wait until the damn thing shows up, but I gotta say that him being so pompous about what eBay rules let him do this and that are making me lean towards a negative feedback, and at a minimum a neutral so other buyers know what they're getting into.

 

RadiclDreamer

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Aug 8, 2004
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Well, he would then have 73 positive and 1 neg if it were me. At best he would get neutral. Not your fault he quoted the wrong shipping.
 

dud

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Feb 18, 2001
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First, take a DEEP breath ... and chill.

You are obviously upset based upon this:

"... it's looking like media mail may have been illegally used since with about any other option it doesn't ever take this long to receive stuff." - What were you trying to say here?

The seller miscalculated shipping and should have eaten the difference ... but didn't. He probably used Parcel Post which can take a week or more (vice 2-3 days for Priority).

Wait until the item arrives. If it is as advertised then the decision is yours as to whether to leave a positive or neutral feedback. Based upon how upset you are I suggest you leave neutral. Which ever rating you leave you only have 80 or so characters to explain ... and I would explain to his future potential customers how cheap he is when it comes to shipping.
 

RagingBITCH

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Sep 27, 2003
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I'd let him know that it didn't ship as per the auction stated. If he wanted to change the shipping he should have asked you beforehand. I'd also mention to him that you still haven't received the item, but would wait until the end of the week to receive the item.
 

Kelemvor

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May 23, 2002
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I you paid for delivery confirmation and they didn't ship it using that, they should refund you the $3 or whatever it costs for that option. Otherwise I'd leave negative since he didn't do what he advertised and what you paid for and he even bother to tell you he did that until after you asked why you hadn't received your item... I'd just hope it comes and if not, you'll have to dispute the whole thing and get your money back. Did you use a CC?
 

waggy

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Dec 14, 2000
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first off relax. sometimes it takes a little longer then expected to get a item. sometimes far more then 7 days.

there is a good posiblity that the shipping agency has messed up etc. i would wait and get all the facts before bitching and leaving a neg.

if the package is fine and the equipment is as auctioned then leave a postive but a discription of why.

 

Spikesoldier

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Oct 15, 2001
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demand a refund of the difference

when the auction ended and the full price paid, you paid for the item and grade of shipping you specifiied and paid for.

his 'miscalculation' unfortunately for him, was put into a legally enforceable contract, and he is obligated to ship the item using the grade of shipping he got compensated for.

give him one last chance to refund the difference, else leave a neg and contact ebay.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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well when you get the package you will be able to tell how much he paid for shipping. until then I wouldn't do much.

last month was the first time ever that I actaully had a piece of mail lost. and it only was traveling like 25 miles total.
 

Super56K

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Feb 27, 2004
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Sorry for the emotional gap of text...I'm not angry, just thinking things through and asking on here what people think about the whole thing (responding to dud). I messaged the seller and asked for a clarification on what specific USPS shipping method was used, and that as of this morning's mail I still hadn't received the item.

It probably was shipped using Parcel Post, but I suggested media mail because in my experience with it, items can take 10-15 days to show up on a regular basis for me when that method is used.

No Kelemvor, just used available PP balance.
 

waffleironhead

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Aug 10, 2005
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Just refuse shipment and file for item never received. You will get full refund and the seller will be out the cost of shipping.
 

Winchester

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I always eat the cost if there is a difference. Also, parcel post is usually higher than priority mail when I ship items. (Depends on the item)
 

waggy

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Dec 14, 2000
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Originally posted by: waffleironhead
Just refuse shipment and file for item never received. You will get full refund and the seller will be out the cost of shipping.

thats pretty fucking retarded.

the buyer is out nothing but a little time. odds are he purchased it because he thought for the price it was a good deal. if he needed it now he should have purchased it at a B&M store.

not to mentiont he buyer is then out the money until the seller refunds it or he files a complaint. Either way fucking retarded for something that is not broken.
 

waffleironhead

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Aug 10, 2005
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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: waffleironhead
Just refuse shipment and file for item never received. You will get full refund and the seller will be out the cost of shipping.

thats pretty fucking retarded.

the buyer is out nothing but a little time. odds are he purchased it because he thought for the price it was a good deal. if he needed it now he should have purchased it at a B&M store.

not to mentiont he buyer is then out the money until the seller refunds it or he files a complaint. Either way fucking retarded for something that is not broken.

just listing the extreme option. lighten up. imo there are options in between from deal with it, to full refund. The seller is the one who cheated to buyer. I have no qualms about sticking it to people who cheat me.
 

Ricochet

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Originally posted by: Spikesoldier
demand a refund of the difference

when the auction ended and the full price paid, you paid for the item and grade of shipping you specifiied and paid for.

his 'miscalculation' unfortunately for him, was put into a legally enforceable contract, and he is obligated to ship the item using the grade of shipping he got compensated for.

give him one last chance to refund the difference, else leave a neg and contact ebay.

I 2nd that. He is obligated to ship using the method agreed upon in the auction. His "miscalculation" is his error, not yours. I would give a negative feedback.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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Priority is not a guaranteed service.

The longest a priority package has taken me has been nearly 3 months. It was on a $150 video card back in the 80's. The guy I shipped to was making tons of allegations.

Until you get the package and the post mark you will not know the true story so take a chill pill.
 

AnyMal

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Nov 21, 2001
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1. You have 45 days to file a PP claim, so relax.

2. Media Mail can take an godawful amount of time. Justr recently something was shipped to me (KY) from Tennessee and it took almost three weeks!

3. When you receive the item file a PP claim and ask for the difference in the shipping price. There is actually an option in the claim form that allows you do demand a portion of the shipping fees back if you were overcharged or substituted.
 

Kanalua

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Jun 14, 2001
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File a claim....wait the required time and escalate...

You will win...

Some jerk mailed a phone to me slow boat. I specifically requested and paid for priority mail. Imagine how much it sucks waiting on a cell phone for the 6-8 weeks a parcel post mailing takes to get to Hawaii. Filed with PayPal and got my refund...
 

Oakenfold

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Feb 8, 2001
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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Priority is not a guaranteed service.
:thumbsup:

To the OP:
Calm down, email the seller your concerns.
If you don't give the seller a chance to respond to what you've said here you have no one to blame but yourself. Granted he should have eaten any miscalculation in shipping, be reasonable and give him the chance to make it right.
 

Super56K

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Feb 27, 2004
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Yeah Oekenfold, I messaged the seller right after posting this (+ a few more times now), and regrettably I have an update for today because the seller is turning into a real jerk.